Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Hi dc, cake taker. I love your phrases. The cake, salvation, you want to take because you
believe a few ideas, stuff the consequences or fruit in peoples lives, that means nothing.

It is like the right wing saying they are for the rights of the individual, as long as they agree
with them. I love the fact you guys loved Trump, who followed Roger Stone, lying is his way
of life. You should watch the film, "Get me Roger Stone". It summarises the failure in many
and how open they are to the enemy.

It also explains how easily you fall for the impact statements, the slander and polarisation of
positions without actually getting into content. Plant the distortion in the mind, and everything
will fit the framework.

Who said I loved trump pal? And as far as salvation....it was a gift freely given in Christ...so, who is really TRYING to take the cake.......??

Now.....let me set you straight on my view of the U.S. and Trump......

The U.S. is a Gentile world power...it has never been a Christian country, but has had Christians in it. As far as Trump goes....my view is he is probably the best for the economy and some general freedoms.......the big fear I have with him is that he has the guts and gumption to lead us into a World War with Russia....

You really presume to know a lot about me.....I find it interesting that you can make the calls you make about me personally without knowing one real fact about me.......so.........at the end of the day the above diatribe directed at me....misses the mark and continues to prove that you like to take the cake......

 

[Stephen63]

Bible Knowledge Commentary John F Walvoord and Roy B Zuck

I quote. Jesus words in Mat 6:14-15 explain His statement about forgiveness in verse 12. Though Gods forgiveness of sin is not based one's forgiving others, a Christians forgiveness is based on realizing he has been forgiven (cf. Eph. 4:32) Personal fellowship with God is in view (not salvation from sin). One cannot walk in fellowship with God if he refuses to forgive others.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Notice the red..... nuff said.

 

[dcontroversal]

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
The Gentiles, of free grace, had been grafted in to share advantages. They ought therefore to beware of self-confidence, and every kind of pride or ambition; lest, having only a dead faith, and an empty profession, they should turn from God, and forfeit their privileges. If we stand at all, it is by faith; we are guilty and helpless in ourselves, and are to be humble, watchful, afraid of self-deception, or of being overcome by temptation. Not only are we at first justified by faith, but kept to the end in that justified state by faith only; yet, by a faith which is not alone, but which worketh by love to God and man.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
21. For if God spared not the natural branches—sprung from the parent stem.take heed lest he also spare not thee—a mere wild graft. The former might, beforehand, have been thought very improbable; but, after that, no one can wonder at the latter.

Matthew Poole's Commentary
This verse is a reason of the forementioned admonition: If God proceeded with so much severity against his ancient people the Jews, you Gentiles may in reason expect as great severity, if you take not heed to yourselves, and to your standing.

I find it amazing that post after post of well-known commentaries, nobody in the easy believeism camp learns a thing.

Commentaries mean nothing to me......just another man's regurgitated view........just saying and not mouthing! I have never been much for them.....I can see men standing before God saying....well that is what the commentary said.....I would rather do a word study and base my belief on what the verbiage, context and definitions of the words are combined with verb tense and prayer......

 

[dcontroversal]

Notice the red..... nuff said.

Sure...fellowship does not equal sonship............!

One is by birth the other is by being faithful.......the latter does not negate the former!

 

[PeterJens]

I am just asking off of your insistence that James faith was not deemed real until he offered up his son. Until then I can only assume you think it meant his faith was dead.

So that is the basis for the question,

This is an interesting question. Is faith real until it is tested or the testing show the reality?

If you make a sword, the sword is strong by itself, but until it is tested it could be fake.
The testing proves its worth, but does not make it strong.

So is Abraham when tested had failed, then his faith was flawed. This is not a complex reality.
God tests us, and refines us once we are established.

Each one should test their own actions.
Gal 6:4

He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
John 15:2

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.
1 Cor 4:2

Jesus proved His truth by being tempted.

Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.
Luke 16:10

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.
1 Cor 4:2

 

[Stephen63]

Commentaries mean nothing to me......just another man's regurgitated view........just saying and not mouthing! I have never been much for them.....I can see men standing before God saying....well that is what the commentary said.....I would rather do a word study and base my belief on what the verbiage, context and definitions of the words are combined with verb tense and prayer......

You would think with all that prayer & word study we would see some literal evidence instead of "take my word for it & quit obloviating".

 

[Ariel82]

I know I was thinking the same thing......who states that....and their coined phrases like hyper grace, greasy grace, etc....makes me think of Goebbels and his Nazi propaganda.....nothing but bloviating and a feeble attempt by religionists to undermine Jesus and his work in favor of their burger king theology and give the dog a bone heresies......

I always wonder where you get your.....turn of phrases. Is it a marine thing?

I have to say I haven't ever heard the phrases:

"Burger king theology" & "give the dog a bone heresies"

Not sure what to think of it but...that is different.

 

[JoDel]

Nice pink colour (spelt Canadian style).... I try to count while I am diffusing hopefully blocking the name calling!

I'm not sure that would work well for me, (counting) as my fingertips are usually flying over the keyboard... and THEN, as Ariel so perfectly described... I get the impression of "The eyebrow lifting Dad Stare" from God and albeit sometimes ssssslllllooooowwwwlllllyyyyy... delete my response.

 

[dcontroversal]

You would think with all that prayer & word study we would see some literal evidence instead of "take my word for it & quit obloviating".

You would think I could make an honest statement to you while trying to engage you in a decent order without you making a mouthy comment......

 

[Ariel82]

I like this commentary

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
The Gentiles, of free grace, had been grafted in to share advantages. They ought therefore to beware of self-confidence, and every kind of pride or ambition; lest, having only a dead faith, and an empty profession, they should turn from God, and forfeit their privileges. If we stand at all, it is by faith; we are guilty and helpless in ourselves, and are to be humble, watchful, afraid of self-deception, or of being overcome by temptation. Not only are we at first justified by faith, but kept to the end in that justified state by faith only; yet, by a faith which is not alone, but which worketh by love to God and man.

The only thing it's missing is a dead faith is not a saving faith therefore the folks have not yet obtained salvation but await the seal of the Holy spirit.

For a time we realise we are dead men walking and wait the life giving power of the Holy spirit after hearing and then finally confessing the faith in Christ as Lord and Savior.

 

[dcontroversal]

I always wonder where you get your.....turn of phrases. Is it a marine thing?

I have to say I haven't ever heard the phrases:

"Burger king theology" & "give the dog a bone heresies"

Not sure what to think of it but...that is different.

Burger KING had a commercial (HAVE IT YOUR WAY) so that developed into a statement about religions that preach every flavor of salvation under the sun, and give the dog a bone heresies is a variation of give the dog a bone ministries and comes from churches that offer every flavor of entertainment under the sun instead of the word of God to keep their rolls filled and their coffers full.....

 

[stonesoffire]

Life in the Spirit is only found by seeing Jesus in truth as He is. So if one wants to look to the law? Look at Him. He fulfilled it all and freely gives His righteousness to His body, that makes up for our lack.

This is our security. This empowers us to live to please Him. This is love.

When we look in the mirror...see Him.

 

[Ariel82]

Who said I loved trump pal? And as far as salvation....it was a gift freely given in Christ...so, who is really TRYING to take the cake.......??

Now.....let me set you straight on my view of the U.S. and Trump......

The U.S. is a Gentile world power...it has never been a Christian country, but has had Christians in it. As far as Trump goes....my view is he is probably the best for the economy and some general freedoms.......the big fear I have with him is that he has the guts and gumption to lead us into a World War with Russia....

You really presume to know a lot about me.....I find it interesting that you can make the calls you make about me personally without knowing one real fact about me.......so.........at the end of the day the above diatribe directed at me....misses the mark and continues to prove that you like to take the cake......

Nah Russia will be an USA ally in a world war against the middle east and Islamic nations like France. Hopefully it won't happen for a while but the framework is being laid down already.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm......not my argument.

Can you answer my question directly?
Would Abraham's faith, had it not offered up Isaac, been able to save him?
Yes, or no?

Seems like it was your argument

Now can you answer, If abraham died before he had the chance to offer Issac would he have spent eternity with God or in Hell, since he did not have the chance to offer up Issac,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This sounds superficially sensible. Except only God could say "NO ONE in this chatroom thinks"

https://escapetoreality.org/2013/02/28/conviction-vs-correction/

1st line of article

What I say: “God never convicts us of our sins.”

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137534-holy-spirit-convicts-sin-3.html#post2658993

Here is a member quoting this very article.

So this proves the error of EG's statement, and the truth people do claim things about God and
conviction of sin which they personally may not agree with.

I did not know the person who wrote that article was a member of this chatroom.

Can you tell me who he is? I must have missed him, if so, Then I will (unlike you) repent and admit I sinned by saying a non truth.

 

[Ariel82]

Calvin got preservation of the saints from St. Augustine of Hippo and then expanded it.

The doctrine of preservation of the saints was not even around until St. Augustine of Hippo "developed" it to combat Pelagianism.

Didn't you state in the thread that you believes in eternal security? Which is it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The above proof raises the point why some continually want to create the illusion of
certainty, and that they can speak for a whole group that they believe this and not that.

It implies a certain arrogance and knowledge which is clearly lacking, and the desire to
put another down and ridicule them. It does not surprise me based on certain peoples
track record, but it is always worthwhile pointing out obvious bad behaviour which
superficially appears to be righteous and honest.

You keep talking but you have no proof

I said no one in THIS CHATROOM, You show me an articale written by some person I never met or read. And you want to talk about arrogance?

Your ridiculing people sayin gthey do not believe in confession or conviction of sin, When everyone I know has told you and others clearly we believe the HS convicts us of sin.


Dude you have issues, I pray you get over them soon..

 

[Ariel82]

So what happened to the young rich ruler Ariel? What happened to the people in Nazareth that did not believe did he do a mighty work there? What happened to the multitudes after the difficult saying in John 6, What about instructions in Matt 10, Luke 9 & 10...

I believe the young rich ruler buried Jesus in His own tomb as befitting a king...

What is the point of your other questions?

Did I some how offend you and incorrectly summarize your response?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
The Gentiles, of free grace, had been grafted in to share advantages. They ought therefore to beware of self-confidence, and every kind of pride or ambition; lest, having only a dead faith, and an empty profession, they should turn from God, and forfeit their privileges. If we stand at all, it is by faith; we are guilty and helpless in ourselves, and are to be humble, watchful, afraid of self-deception, or of being overcome by temptation. Not only are we at first justified by faith, but kept to the end in that justified state by faith only; yet, by a faith which is not alone, but which worketh by love to God and man.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
21. For if God spared not the natural branches—sprung from the parent stem.take heed lest he also spare not thee—a mere wild graft. The former might, beforehand, have been thought very improbable; but, after that, no one can wonder at the latter.

Matthew Poole's Commentary
This verse is a reason of the forementioned admonition: If God proceeded with so much severity against his ancient people the Jews, you Gentiles may in reason expect as great severity, if you take not heed to yourselves, and to your standing.

I find it amazing that post after post of well-known commentaries, nobody in the easy believeism camp learns a thing.

well known commentators who believe as stephen does.

And he thinks that should convince us all to drop what we are doing and follow him.

No one cares what the word says anymore, Followers of men, How sad.

I bet I could find well known commentators that say otherwise, In fact I know I can.. But why bother, will it convince you of anything? No of course not,,

The proud will never relent.

 

[Ariel82]

I did not know the person who wrote that article was a member of this chatroom.

Can you tell me who he is? I must have missed him, if so, Then I will (unlike you) repent and admit I sinned by saying a non truth.

G777 likes that website. He is probably referring to Him.