Not By Works
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Why do you say it is a heresy? Don't you agree with Paul who said we are saved by grace through faith and that is not of works? We Christians understand that it is possible to do good works and not have faith, but it is not possible to have faith and not do good works or are you saying we must add to God's grace good works to be saved and not commit heresy? I am just asking.
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Because he believes in....
a. Qualifying and quantifying sin into boxes where some are forgivable and some cause the loss of salvation
b. You can lose salvation for half a dozen reasons plus 1
c. You must walk holy and sinless 24/7/365 to keep or facilitate salvation
d. You must work to maintain your salvation of lose it
e. He is holy and more righteous than most and tells us that we are lost sinners because we biblically believe in salvation by grace dia faith that is eternal and cannot be lost....
About sums it up....
a. Qualifying and quantifying sin into boxes where some are forgivable and some cause the loss of salvation
b. You can lose salvation for half a dozen reasons plus 1
c. You must walk holy and sinless 24/7/365 to keep or facilitate salvation
d. You must work to maintain your salvation of lose it
e. He is holy and more righteous than most and tells us that we are lost sinners because we biblically believe in salvation by grace dia faith that is eternal and cannot be lost....
About sums it up....
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The Spirit convicts the conscience of sin...One departs from this sin in the baptism of repentance, whereas the old man becomes dead and buried> Trust in Jesus means obedient faith from a heart of purity....its not a virtual reality, but rather a manifest reality........... one cannot put their trust in Jesus and yet still be disobedient, that cancels out the biblical definition of trust..obey and trust are synonymous within the text ...............be blessed
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We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners saved by God's grace. Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect, and we are perfect through Christ. We are being work on (By the author of our faith) to be more and more conformed to the image of Christ. It is about God's work not ours. Christ died for our sin in the past, present and future. Our justification is only through Christ.
We don't go to hell for sin; we go for not accepting Christ as our Savior, because we don't have the blood of Christ on our dwelling. It is like the children of Israel not having the blood of the lamb on their door posts. If we belong to Christ we don't want to sin, because we love God, but we do sin, but we get back up and keep fighting the good fight of faith. God said, "Well done good and faithful servant;" He didn't say successful servant. If we teach we cannot be forgiven for future sin our works will be burned and will suffer loss. I am not sure anyone wants to go there.
We don't go to hell for sin; we go for not accepting Christ as our Savior, because we don't have the blood of Christ on our dwelling. It is like the children of Israel not having the blood of the lamb on their door posts. If we belong to Christ we don't want to sin, because we love God, but we do sin, but we get back up and keep fighting the good fight of faith. God said, "Well done good and faithful servant;" He didn't say successful servant. If we teach we cannot be forgiven for future sin our works will be burned and will suffer loss. I am not sure anyone wants to go there.
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So the baptism of repentance leads to baptism in Jesus?
If you say yes then does it not contradict when you said your baptised into the name of Jesus (actullay you said Holy Spirit but given the triune Godhead it's the same).
I have no idea what Church you go to or your experience but you said that
I dont go to a church like that.
Why is your view tainted this way?
If you say yes then does it not contradict when you said your baptised into the name of Jesus (actullay you said Holy Spirit but given the triune Godhead it's the same).
I have no idea what Church you go to or your experience but you said that
I dont go to a church like that.
Why is your view tainted this way?
The Holy Spirit initially convicts of sin of unbelief.
Thats the first step of repentance.
Baptism of repentance has nothing to do with with baptism into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Baptism of repentance is Johns baptism, the Holy Spirit did not come those baptised by John, he only came upon Jesus.
So having repented of sin of unbelief we are baptised into Jesus.
Thats the first step of repentance.
Baptism of repentance has nothing to do with with baptism into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Baptism of repentance is Johns baptism, the Holy Spirit did not come those baptised by John, he only came upon Jesus.
So having repented of sin of unbelief we are baptised into Jesus.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but your focus tends to be alongside the VILE SINS OF THE FLESH.
Why the fixation?
Whilst your concentrating on this I would ask do you also concentrate on the following
Matthew 25:33-36
And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
Why the fixation?
Whilst your concentrating on this I would ask do you also concentrate on the following
Matthew 25:33-36
And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
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In the Book of acts, baptism was not done in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit, but in the name of Jesus Christ only. Some say the other is an interpolation. I don't know for sure, but Baptism means we identify with Christ in his death and resurrection. The Holy Spirit didn't die and rise from the dead for my sin nor did the father, but Jesus did. But every church including mine do baptism in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit. I don't want to start a division over it, but I am just saying.
I find it a bit mean that you should keep telling everyone that peter jens is the only person you have banned here or blocked . ?????
Youve been telling everyone for months now..
Can i ask you a question ,,,,,,,,, is it fair that newcomers to the site should get of to a bad start with peter because of your disagreement with him ?
Youve been telling everyone for months now..
Can i ask you a question ,,,,,,,,, is it fair that newcomers to the site should get of to a bad start with peter because of your disagreement with him ?