Not By Works

[oldethennew]

This is my opinion and since I'm so old now, I think I can see a bit beyond some of you.

We can lose our first love from the experiences of life and fall away from fellowshipping for a time. Maybe even turn back into sin...but it will never satisfy one who has tasted of life. There is nothing like the presence of the Lord, and His touch. And we will ever be called back to our first love.

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Stones,

beautifully stated, I think it should be moved over to the Poetry Thread..............................................

 

[stonesoffire]

I wonder what Jesus searches for in all of our Posts?
is He listening?
do we care if He is?
if we do, does it show in our words that come from our hearts?
do we love/care enough for the ones that we are speaking to?
what do you think He expects of us when we speak to others?
are we taught to defend ourselves, when He clearly did not?
do you think that we can make Him cry?

He's recording every word.

 

[Stephen63]

In the meantime you have said quite a few nasty things to me and falsely accused me of a number of other things all because you refuse to admit you were wrong, even claiming your errors were all my fault. Despite saying you can admit it when you are wrong obviously you are loathe to do so.

And who exactly are you..... Princess Holy for saying all that to begin with about JIMBO?

What exactly does that make you, Your Highness?

 

[stonesoffire]

ok...when you post yours first oldthennew.

Love to you and yours..

 

[stonesoffire]

Am liking your post 15 times at least grace7...

 

[PeterJens]

You see readers, just because dcon says it doesn't mean it's true.

There are a number of contributors where I have to assume if they say it, it must be false.
Especially if they use the words "never" or "ever" or "no one" or "that is a lie"

I remember a note months ago where this was agreed, yet funny how when people get carried
away they easily slip into what they believe from their hearts and not what is true.

And the amount of anger some express or repress because it would look so bad, that is the
one major thing restraining them as well as getting banned.

We are saved because we love Jesus and abide with Him.

Somehow people have got into their heads they can partake in witchcraft and idolatry and
still claim that God loves them and has saved them. It has got this bad and deluded.

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry
1 samuel 15:23 (KJV)

 

[Magenta]

And who exactly are you..... Princess Holy for saying all that to begin with about JIMBO?

What exactly does that make you, Your Highness?

Who exactly are you? You repeatedly lie and you repeatedly make false accusations and repeatedly pretend you can admit when you are wrong but it is all falseness coming from you.

 

[FranC]

I feel the same way. I'm her same age, and you all mostly are the same ages of my kids. I think about the "coyotes" when I read this stuff. Makes me ill too.

By our age...we should be examples of godly women having experienced the overcoming of flesh.

You've overcome the flesh?
How boring...

 

[Stephen63]

Who exactly are you? You repeatedly lie and you repeatedly make false accusations and repeatedly pretend you can admit when you are wrong but it is all falseness coming from you.

I see you decided not to answer that.

 

[FranC]

Who exactly are you? You repeatedly lie and you repeatedly make false accusations and repeatedly pretend you can admit when you are wrong but it is all falseness coming from you.

You know what they say...

It takes one to know one.

Except HE is not one...

 

[Magenta]

I see you decided not to answer that.

Likewise. You are a liar but at least we all know that for a fact, and if anyone ever needs proof we can direct them to this mess of yours. Thanks

 

[FranC]

AMEN....that is because the grace of God (rejected by most) out bounds our sin.......

You take advantage of the grace of God.
End of story.

 

[Stephen63]

Likewise. You are a liar but at least we all know that for a fact, and if anyone ever needs we proof we can direct them to this mess of yours. Thanks

That's what happens when you expose someone's dirty laundry. All they can think of is how to bring you down to their level.

 

[Meggido]

I don't know what you are talking about in brown above as I have never heard that said before in my life and I have listened to over 2,000 messages now of the grace and love of God in Christ. I'm not saying you haven't seen it - I just have never heard of this before.

Bruce, first and foremost we are just discussing and nothing else....

I personally don't agree with licentiousness or lasciviousness which means "without restraint" and it comes in many forms and not just to do with sexual unrestraint.

So clarify for me, what you do not believe about Lascivious/Licentious grace?

The Bible teaches us that men did and still turn grace into this.

Jude 3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

I disagree with the meaning of the Greek word for apostasy that some preachers talk about because of this below and the other scriptures that use it:

861. [FONT=&quot]ἀφίστημι[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]aphistēmi[/FONT] verb

Cause to revolt, mislead, lead away, withdraw from, abstain from, depart, desert, fall away.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Alpha-Gamma.

Ok I am missing what you are saying her,e please clarify. Strongs 861 and how it fits into this discussion, because Strong 861 is aphtharsia and means:

1. incorruption, perpetuity
   
   
2. purity, sincerity, incorrupt
   

One can be going to church all their life, be out witnessing, reading the bible and "be fallen ( apostasy ) from the faith and not be living by faith in Christ's work at all" - that is - not really trusting in Christ's finished work.

How can a person without saving faith fall away from saving faith?

Paul also in 1 Tim 4:1-6 showed exactly what this "falling away from the faith is". It is people doing "deeds" to make themselves separate from others. Forbidding to marry and to not eat certain meats. All works-based belief systems for righteousness.

All works-based religions including the one sometimes called Christianity is an attempt to live from our own works of righteousness and that is falling from the faith. Trusting in what they do or don't do. This is revolting against the work of Christ so I do agree with the "rebellion" part.

Here are some examples of the exact same Greek word being used - for "apostasy".

Luke 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

Acts 5:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown;

Acts 15:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me

1 Tim 4.1-6 is not at all talking about works based righteousness to be different Bruce....It is talking about those who were once in like minded faith, who then fall away and become deceived through demonic false teaching and then proceeded to preach and teach a different Gospel, a doctrine of demons....

 

[stonesoffire]

You've overcome the flesh?
How boring...

Not at all...and it can be quite intense. The word is overcoming...when I'm dead hopefully..overcame.

 

[dcontroversal]

You take advantage of the grace of God.
End of story.

And you make mouthy comments without all of the facts and or a full knowledge of what I do and or don't do....

 

[JIMBO43]

Will be praying for you JIMBO.
We're certainly not in heaven yet...
Could you imagine if we didn't know God??

i couldnt fran does your husband ever influence what you write here..

I just wondered at times you seem so lovely but quite stern at times... Which i think its dewly wrote with loving rebuke of course..

Thanks for your prayer sis i havent had the anxiety attack like that for 2 years but i still get scared when im up high and i dont know how i manage to pull my self togeather maybe it was God.. and maybe i have this possession of another spirit for a reason..

 

[JIMBO43]

And you make mouthy comments without all of the facts and or a full knowledge of what I do and or don't do....

mate your one of the most mouthy here and you know you are coz why ?


because you think your on the front line all the time and youve been taught by a shouting seargent no doubt to lol

 

[Stephen63]

continued from From https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html:

Advocates of lordship salvation point to Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples” (verse 32). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost; elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62).

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, easy-believism seeks to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, easy-believism says that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21–23); in contrast, easy-believism teaches that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough.

 

[Stephen63]

Lordship salvation teaches that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then he or she will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 5:22–23; James 2:14–26).