Tongue Speaker's Survey
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Well, I supposed if I had written all the choices out, I could have presented a full range of options, but going off the top of my head, and once the poll has been posted, hard to add options after that.
But .. yes.. I did forget to add "I had Ask the Father to get that tongue.."
However, if you believe that believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at their salvation and that you had received the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, then I would think option 2 would be closer to your answer, but maybe not. You know better than I.
But .. yes.. I did forget to add "I had Ask the Father to get that tongue.."
However, if you believe that believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at their salvation and that you had received the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, then I would think option 2 would be closer to your answer, but maybe not. You know better than I.
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Not really mocking. That is what happened to me. And then I studied up on the tongues thing and realized I repeated the same gibberish because it was the only thing I picked up that sounded good. I faked it to fit in.
And then I grew up and stopped thinking I need to fit in. But, yeah, I doubt I'm unique in that.
And then I grew up and stopped thinking I need to fit in. But, yeah, I doubt I'm unique in that.
Since the survey was about how believers that did speak in tongues on how and when they had gotten tongues, it would not pertain to those whom have never spoken in tongues. See?
Well, one poster voted the last two options for how he went about in getting tongues. So it was informative to see.
Thanks for replying though.
Well, one poster voted the last two options for how he went about in getting tongues. So it was informative to see.
Thanks for replying though.
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Poppycock! Yes. Every Bible has copyrights, and yet they are very generous on people using hundreds of verses at a time. It's once you start getting into the thousands range, you should be concerned. Your excuse was really, "I don't feel like putting in the effort, but this sounds scholarly."
And yet, the excuse itself says you're no scholar.
And yet, the excuse itself says you're no scholar.
Now you just went from the topic to attacking the poster. And I do believe you are confusing his reply with mine by some of the words in your post.
Now you clarify what you are saying here. Are you advocating for receiving the Holy Spirit for the first time in getting this tongue as standing apart from salvation OR are you advocating for receiving the Holy Spirit "again" after salvation by that sign of tongues?
No. It is called testing the spirits whether they be of God or not ( 1 John 4:1-6 ) and since the Holy Spirit is in us by faith in Jesus Christ at our salvation ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ), then I have to test that spirit that came over believers apart from salvation in bringing that tongue which never comes with interpretation AS NOT OF HIM.
The fact that saved believers fall down while seeking this tongue by invoking the Holy Spirit to come is tale telling that they are drinking from a different fountain for why they are falling down.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
By departing from this testimony below of which we are all to share in speaking the same thing and having the same judgment, this is the falling away from the faith warned about in these latter days by Paul.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Tongue speakers are the ones speaking of the extra which other believers do not have. You guys are separating yourselves and being exalted above other believers by that tongue which never comes with interpretation, gained by that extra phenomenon that not every saved believer can share in like testimony for us to be speaking the same thing and having the same judgment.
So how can you prove that it is not you who does not know what you are doing as well as what you are saying?
Do you now see our concern for the brethren that speak in tongues without interpretation or not?
Now you clarify what you are saying here. Are you advocating for receiving the Holy Spirit for the first time in getting this tongue as standing apart from salvation OR are you advocating for receiving the Holy Spirit "again" after salvation by that sign of tongues?
No. It is called testing the spirits whether they be of God or not ( 1 John 4:1-6 ) and since the Holy Spirit is in us by faith in Jesus Christ at our salvation ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ), then I have to test that spirit that came over believers apart from salvation in bringing that tongue which never comes with interpretation AS NOT OF HIM.
The fact that saved believers fall down while seeking this tongue by invoking the Holy Spirit to come is tale telling that they are drinking from a different fountain for why they are falling down.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
By departing from this testimony below of which we are all to share in speaking the same thing and having the same judgment, this is the falling away from the faith warned about in these latter days by Paul.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Tongue speakers are the ones speaking of the extra which other believers do not have. You guys are separating yourselves and being exalted above other believers by that tongue which never comes with interpretation, gained by that extra phenomenon that not every saved believer can share in like testimony for us to be speaking the same thing and having the same judgment.
So how can you prove that it is not you who does not know what you are doing as well as what you are saying?
Do you now see our concern for the brethren that speak in tongues without interpretation or not?
Check the results of the poll, shrume? Or are you afraid to find out that I have just cause to say what I have been saying?
When you guys are speak the same kind of tongues which never comes with interpretation, and you ignore how other tongue speaker have gained it by apostasy, then, yeah... I wish you guys shun speaking that kind of tongue for that is hardly abstaining from all appearances of evil when your tongue without interpretation mimics the supernatural tongue which was in the world before God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native tongue had come at Pentecost.
I can judge tongues without interpretation in righteous judgment by His words which is by His help & His wisdom.
When you guys are speak the same kind of tongues which never comes with interpretation, and you ignore how other tongue speaker have gained it by apostasy, then, yeah... I wish you guys shun speaking that kind of tongue for that is hardly abstaining from all appearances of evil when your tongue without interpretation mimics the supernatural tongue which was in the world before God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native tongue had come at Pentecost.
I can judge tongues without interpretation in righteous judgment by His words which is by His help & His wisdom.
Defending the faith in Jesus Christ, sister. That is a big one in keeping the faith which is the good fight. I can only do this by totally relying on Him as my Good Shepherd as He can only minister.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Corinthians 11:[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
How does this not warn against tongue speakers that believe that was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life long after they had been saved, bringing this tongue which NEVER comes with interpretation nor understood by a foreigner?
You have one that believes that believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at their salvation which is why he believes that "saved" believers are to seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongues, but Romans 8:9 reproves such thinking, sister.
You have some that believe they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues, but 1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 cites only one calling and one baptism with the Holy Spirit. Plus. 1 Corinthians 14:22 states that tongues do not serve as a sign towards believers for anything; not as proof that you had received the Holy Spirit apart from salvation and not as proof that God is using that tongue as a sign of calling them into the ministry.
None of those tongues gained by these falsehood is God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 )
So while tongue speakers are not all saying the same thing as to when and how they got this tongue which never comes with interpretation, the fact that they are all making excuses for it to come without interpretation proves none of that tongue that comes with no interpretation is of Him at all.
They try to assume that when it does not come with interpretation, it must be a prayer language of the Holy Spirit, but John 16:13 in ALL BIBLES says the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but spak what He hears and so He CANNOT use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native tongue to turn it around as a means for a personal prayer language.
These believers were warned not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongue they bring for the spirit of error will speak as the world speaks in their supernatural tongue which is vain & profane babbling because it is not of other men's lips to speak unto the people. 1 John 4:1-6
Tongue speakers are in trouble, sister. They have fallen away from the faith and know it not, and some will acknowledged the faith and yet ignore how tongue speakers have gotten that tongue which does not come with interpretation because that will mean their tongue cannot be of Him either.
And so it goes, as I hope in the Lord that He is peradventuring to recover some from what I believe is the snare of the devil when it is God's will for us to pray so that when we get answers to prayers, we would give genuine thanks to the father in Jesus's name for known answers to prayers.
I was knocked here and there by the deceitful doctrines of men on this matter and the Lord kept me from falling after that same rudiment that all other tongue speakers in these latter days have gained tongues without interpretation by; and all other signs of confusion in "slain in the Spirit" and "being drunk in the Spirit" and the "holy laughter" movement by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit again after salvation.
That is the same thing as preaching another Jesus or another Holy Spirit to receive ... and that is what Paul warned against in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 when the examination of our faith is that Jesus Christ is in us so when testing the spirits as per 1 John 4:1-7 , where verse 4, greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world, thus any spirit coming over a saved believer later on in life proves that it is NOT the Holy Spirit and that supernatural tongue as found in the world before Pentecost is not the real God's gift of tongues when it is not understood by a foreigner nor interpreted in the assembly.
So it really is about keeping the faith which is the good fight and affirming that God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and cannot be used by the Holy Spirit as a means for prayer.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness...........[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
How long the Lord will help me to sound the alarm as a wake up call is up to Him.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Corinthians 11:[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
How does this not warn against tongue speakers that believe that was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life long after they had been saved, bringing this tongue which NEVER comes with interpretation nor understood by a foreigner?
You have one that believes that believers do not always get the Holy Spirit at their salvation which is why he believes that "saved" believers are to seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongues, but Romans 8:9 reproves such thinking, sister.
You have some that believe they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues, but 1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 cites only one calling and one baptism with the Holy Spirit. Plus. 1 Corinthians 14:22 states that tongues do not serve as a sign towards believers for anything; not as proof that you had received the Holy Spirit apart from salvation and not as proof that God is using that tongue as a sign of calling them into the ministry.
None of those tongues gained by these falsehood is God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 )
So while tongue speakers are not all saying the same thing as to when and how they got this tongue which never comes with interpretation, the fact that they are all making excuses for it to come without interpretation proves none of that tongue that comes with no interpretation is of Him at all.
They try to assume that when it does not come with interpretation, it must be a prayer language of the Holy Spirit, but John 16:13 in ALL BIBLES says the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but spak what He hears and so He CANNOT use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native tongue to turn it around as a means for a personal prayer language.
These believers were warned not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongue they bring for the spirit of error will speak as the world speaks in their supernatural tongue which is vain & profane babbling because it is not of other men's lips to speak unto the people. 1 John 4:1-6
Tongue speakers are in trouble, sister. They have fallen away from the faith and know it not, and some will acknowledged the faith and yet ignore how tongue speakers have gotten that tongue which does not come with interpretation because that will mean their tongue cannot be of Him either.
And so it goes, as I hope in the Lord that He is peradventuring to recover some from what I believe is the snare of the devil when it is God's will for us to pray so that when we get answers to prayers, we would give genuine thanks to the father in Jesus's name for known answers to prayers.
I was knocked here and there by the deceitful doctrines of men on this matter and the Lord kept me from falling after that same rudiment that all other tongue speakers in these latter days have gained tongues without interpretation by; and all other signs of confusion in "slain in the Spirit" and "being drunk in the Spirit" and the "holy laughter" movement by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit again after salvation.
That is the same thing as preaching another Jesus or another Holy Spirit to receive ... and that is what Paul warned against in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 when the examination of our faith is that Jesus Christ is in us so when testing the spirits as per 1 John 4:1-7 , where verse 4, greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world, thus any spirit coming over a saved believer later on in life proves that it is NOT the Holy Spirit and that supernatural tongue as found in the world before Pentecost is not the real God's gift of tongues when it is not understood by a foreigner nor interpreted in the assembly.
So it really is about keeping the faith which is the good fight and affirming that God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and cannot be used by the Holy Spirit as a means for prayer.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness...........[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
How long the Lord will help me to sound the alarm as a wake up call is up to Him.
Well, your right in a sense, you can cite copyrighted sources without obtaining permission provided the copyright owners do not have an objection to the way the cited material is represented. However, you have to remember that in order to get a copyright, the authors can not simply duplicate the KJV text even though it is public domain in the US.
In order to obtain a copyright they have to actually make a significant change in the writings to distinguish it from the KJV. Therefore in order to justify their actions, they use the 'poor translation' excuse without disclosing the fact that they had to make changes in order to obtain a copyright.
That is something you should address with the OP.
Yet if that is a reference to in Luke 11:13 where it writes that if those who are evil know how to give good gifts to their children then I think that was noted earlier by another poster who stated he asked his heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit and not a serpent which is peculiar in itself. Why one would ask the Holy Ghost to have the Holy Spirit is which to say be placed above God who is a Spirit. Yet as the passage continues it is written that Jesus was casting out a devil and it was dumb, so go figure.
In order to obtain a copyright they have to actually make a significant change in the writings to distinguish it from the KJV. Therefore in order to justify their actions, they use the 'poor translation' excuse without disclosing the fact that they had to make changes in order to obtain a copyright.
That is something you should address with the OP.
Yet if that is a reference to in Luke 11:13 where it writes that if those who are evil know how to give good gifts to their children then I think that was noted earlier by another poster who stated he asked his heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit and not a serpent which is peculiar in itself. Why one would ask the Holy Ghost to have the Holy Spirit is which to say be placed above God who is a Spirit. Yet as the passage continues it is written that Jesus was casting out a devil and it was dumb, so go figure.
Unfortunately, not every one believes that which is the reason for the poll.
Just to have some clarity here, the gift of salvation is not a manifestation of the Holy Spirit as described and listed in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. Having the Holy Spirit in us is the gift of eternal life, but other than that, I agree with you. If, however you were meaning something else, you will need to clarify.
Unfortunately, I believe them when they say they felt what they believed was the Holy Spirit coming over them, and thus coming into them as a filling, bringing this tongue and it is real, but that is why I say they are preaching another Jesus as in another Spirit to receive for which I say by 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 as reproof that this is not of Him at all and thus with guilt by association, so is that tongue which happens to never comes with interpretation. Indeed, it explains why it never does come with interpretation or understood by a foreigner, because it is not the real God's gift of tongues.
Take a look at the results from the poll and see my concern for the body of Christ.
The other truth in Luke 11:9-13 is what most tongue speakers overlook is that after knocking at the door "of Jesus Christ" in having received the promise of the Holy Spirit, the saved believers would never be asking for the promise of the Holy Spirit "again" because that would make the Father looked "evil" as if He did not give the Holy Spirit the first time at their salvation.
All the more reasons for testing the spirits in not believing every spirit that comes over a believer and since He is in us since our salvation, that is proof that if any spirit does come over us later on after we had been saved, bringing tongues without interpretation or causing believers to fall backwards or do any other signs of confusion, then God is not the author of it.
All the more reasons for testing the spirits in not believing every spirit that comes over a believer and since He is in us since our salvation, that is proof that if any spirit does come over us later on after we had been saved, bringing tongues without interpretation or causing believers to fall backwards or do any other signs of confusion, then God is not the author of it.
I was saved when I was 5, but it wasn't until I was in my mid thirties that I heard anyone say that tongues and all the gifts are still in play today (mostly Lutheran/Baptist when we went to church). I checked into it and found that indeed, when done as the Bible says it does what the Bible says it will. But it wasn't until I came here to CC that I heard anyone say 'if you don't speak in tongues you're not saved'.
My understanding and experience is that tongues and the gifts are not a new outpouring of the Spirit. The Spirit indwells you when you are saved. Tongues and the gifts occur then when you open yourself up to allow the Spirit that is in you flow thru and out of you. It's like water behind a dam ... the water/spirit fills the space, but it's up to you to open the gate and let it flow out.
I honestly don't know what all the debate is about. Jesus said the things He did, we will do and even more. Paul clearly teaches us that place and time for the proper use of tongues is essential, and that he'd rather we didn't do it than do it wrong. He said he wished we all would do it, but acknowledged that not all of us would be so gifted.
And, above and beyond all that, Paul said...
and I can't stress this enough...
DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. (You all know where that's at).
It just doesn't get any clearer than that.
My understanding and experience is that tongues and the gifts are not a new outpouring of the Spirit. The Spirit indwells you when you are saved. Tongues and the gifts occur then when you open yourself up to allow the Spirit that is in you flow thru and out of you. It's like water behind a dam ... the water/spirit fills the space, but it's up to you to open the gate and let it flow out.
I honestly don't know what all the debate is about. Jesus said the things He did, we will do and even more. Paul clearly teaches us that place and time for the proper use of tongues is essential, and that he'd rather we didn't do it than do it wrong. He said he wished we all would do it, but acknowledged that not all of us would be so gifted.
And, above and beyond all that, Paul said...
and I can't stress this enough...
DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. (You all know where that's at).
It just doesn't get any clearer than that.
Yes, unfortunately, every one does not believe what is clearly written in Acts 2:38
Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call.
If read with a little reading comprehension you would have seen that I did not say that the gift of salvation was a manifestation of the Spirit. Let's start in v1 - Now concerning spiritual "gifts" [this word "gifts" is added] (spiritual is the Greek word pnuematikos meaning things of the Spirit, i.e. spiritual matters) so concerning spiritual matters God does not want us to be ignorant. v4 - There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them, i.e. this is talking about gifts God gives - the gift of eternal life, the gift of salvation, etc. v5 - There are different kinds of service - the gift ministries are used for service to the body (Eph. 4:7-13) v6 - There are different kinds of working, (energizing) but in all of them in everyone it is the same God at work. v7 - Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. Then the list, nine ways in which the gift of holy Spirit is manifested. v8-10
I am not understanding exactly what you are saying in the last paragraph. Scripture tells us that God energizes the manifestation of tongues so how could they be preaching another Jesus. I did not manifest the gift of holy spirit until way after I was born again. It wasn't ANOTHER filling - I was filled when I confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead . . . I had the gift . . . I just didn't have enough knowledge and trust concerning the manifestations to utilize what I had been given . . .
I would have voted if the 1st multiple choice had been - when I was saved. When I was saved I received the gift of holy spirit . . . I had the ability to manifest all nine manifestations of the Spirit.
Be sure the poster, shrume, knows about that. I don't think he believes me that some are saying that here.
This is where I agree with you... but not in what you share next below.
Brother, that is a new age mentality; a rudiment in the world; a spiritual methodology for opening oneself up to receiving spirits. God does not give gifts like that nor require any prep on our part in receiving any spiritual gift other than to ask at that throne of grace.
Were the believers prepped in the Book of Acts for preparing to receive the Holy Spirit and to speak in tongues at their salvation? No. They just preached the gospel. Okay then. Why is it that when it comes to spiritual gifts, only tongues is hyped for prepping a believer to open themselves up to receive? If none of the other spiritual gifts are hyped to be sought after in that way, then neither the actual God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.
I just find it strange that for all of this mentality of opening oneself up, tongues is the only gift as notably received. One has to see the similarity of how mediums and wizards and voodooists consults with familiar spirits by opening themselves up for this "spiritual flow" to happen along with tongues that comes with no interpretation; see Isaiah 8:19
Remember; when you had first come here to CC, you said that was the first time you heard this 'if you don't speak in tongues, you are not saved'. It is about why believers are saying that because of that supernatural phenomenon.
Jesus had never spoken in tongues, but I know what you mean.
Let everything be done in decency and in order.
If they got tongues when in a group invoking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them, causing them to fall backwards and stuff like that........... and that tongue is no different than the voodooists when they speak in tongue which is vain & profane babbling... and for those believers who claim they did not get tongues the way voodooists do, but yet they speak the same kind of tongue...... something is not right here, especially since we are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil.
John 16:13 testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself, but speak what He hears and so He CANNOT use God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ) as a means for His own personal prayer language for Him to pray to God.
As much as tongue speakers are taking verses out of context to fit their kind of tongue which does not come with interpretation into 1 Corinthians 14th chapter wrongly, they are ignoring the plain truths in the scripture of John 16:13.
Tongues without interpretation is not being done in decency and in order and that is when tongues can be forbidden because it is not the actual God's gift of tongues in the first place.
Not that I can stop that nonsense, but I am sharing in the hopes that those who hear His voice, will stop following the stranger's voice ( which is apt description of tongues without interpretation ) to follow His voice in following Him.
A lot of believers are wounded when their kind of tongue that comes without interpretation is rejected, but they would not be if pride was NOT involved.
If Jesus Christ is their sole purpose in seeking His glory, then they would not be defending tongues without interpretation because there is no way they can defend it to glorify Jesus Christ and they know it. All it does is separate themselves from the other believers, and to only way to rectify that is not by preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified, but preaching to believers that do not have tongues to "open themselves up" and they will receive a gift or manifestation of the Spirit.
Nope. That is not how any one is to seek a spiritual gift from Jesus Christ in that way. It comes through the Holy Spirit in us as the credit and glory will go to Jesus Christ for answering that prayer. John 14:6,13-14 & John 16:13-15
When the gift comes, it will come from within; not from without, because that is how the world receives spirits after a sign. We will know the real Holy Spirit by Him dwelling within us; not by any other sign. John 14:16-17
This is where I agree with you... but not in what you share next below.
Brother, that is a new age mentality; a rudiment in the world; a spiritual methodology for opening oneself up to receiving spirits. God does not give gifts like that nor require any prep on our part in receiving any spiritual gift other than to ask at that throne of grace.
Were the believers prepped in the Book of Acts for preparing to receive the Holy Spirit and to speak in tongues at their salvation? No. They just preached the gospel. Okay then. Why is it that when it comes to spiritual gifts, only tongues is hyped for prepping a believer to open themselves up to receive? If none of the other spiritual gifts are hyped to be sought after in that way, then neither the actual God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people.
I just find it strange that for all of this mentality of opening oneself up, tongues is the only gift as notably received. One has to see the similarity of how mediums and wizards and voodooists consults with familiar spirits by opening themselves up for this "spiritual flow" to happen along with tongues that comes with no interpretation; see Isaiah 8:19
Remember; when you had first come here to CC, you said that was the first time you heard this 'if you don't speak in tongues, you are not saved'. It is about why believers are saying that because of that supernatural phenomenon.
Jesus had never spoken in tongues, but I know what you mean.
Let everything be done in decency and in order.
If they got tongues when in a group invoking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them, causing them to fall backwards and stuff like that........... and that tongue is no different than the voodooists when they speak in tongue which is vain & profane babbling... and for those believers who claim they did not get tongues the way voodooists do, but yet they speak the same kind of tongue...... something is not right here, especially since we are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil.
John 16:13 testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself, but speak what He hears and so He CANNOT use God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ) as a means for His own personal prayer language for Him to pray to God.
As much as tongue speakers are taking verses out of context to fit their kind of tongue which does not come with interpretation into 1 Corinthians 14th chapter wrongly, they are ignoring the plain truths in the scripture of John 16:13.
Tongues without interpretation is not being done in decency and in order and that is when tongues can be forbidden because it is not the actual God's gift of tongues in the first place.
Not that I can stop that nonsense, but I am sharing in the hopes that those who hear His voice, will stop following the stranger's voice ( which is apt description of tongues without interpretation ) to follow His voice in following Him.
A lot of believers are wounded when their kind of tongue that comes without interpretation is rejected, but they would not be if pride was NOT involved.
If Jesus Christ is their sole purpose in seeking His glory, then they would not be defending tongues without interpretation because there is no way they can defend it to glorify Jesus Christ and they know it. All it does is separate themselves from the other believers, and to only way to rectify that is not by preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified, but preaching to believers that do not have tongues to "open themselves up" and they will receive a gift or manifestation of the Spirit.
Nope. That is not how any one is to seek a spiritual gift from Jesus Christ in that way. It comes through the Holy Spirit in us as the credit and glory will go to Jesus Christ for answering that prayer. John 14:6,13-14 & John 16:13-15
When the gift comes, it will come from within; not from without, because that is how the world receives spirits after a sign. We will know the real Holy Spirit by Him dwelling within us; not by any other sign. John 14:16-17