why Are Christians Afraid of the Supernatural
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Because it was prophesied that in the latter days some will depart from faith .....
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Paul spoke about that iniquity as the cause of this falling away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter...
2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP] 2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ..........[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
How many tongue speakers say that by "opening themselves up" to let the Lord work through them or receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues which comes with no interpretation?
he who now let will let until he be taken out of the way? Who? The Restrainer? The Holy Spirit? No. He forever abides.... but the restraining part.. allowing something to enter... that it? You discern with Him as we continue...
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Saved from what? Since the Holy Spirit is still in them for falling away from the faith and can never lose Him. Saved from what is coming next on the earth; the coming fore and the great tribulation after the pre raptured event.
Damned are those saved believers left behind because they can never be received as vessels unto dishonor in His House but to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from this iniquity.
Damned for believing the lie that you can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation or again for a sign of tongues and that is why God permits that strong delusion to occur in this falling away from the faith.
Paul reminds believers of this reproof towards that lie that you can receive the Holy Spirit again or for the first time apart from salvation.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
That is the tradition we have been taught and so any preaching of receiving the Holy Spirit as apart from salvation is a lie and the iniquity that is causing many to fall away from the faith.
If anybody thinks tongue speakers are not saved... think again. Paul did not say that. And I did not apply the scripture in saying that either as explained.
In the 3rd chapter of Thessalonians, Paul continues to address those that will fall away from the faith, not after the tradition taught of us. and are disorderly... to withdraw from them.... as a commandment from the Lord touching us as in helping us to do that when it is time... as 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 testifies, but in 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, we are to withdraw not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still.
The Lord will lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ) and so because of the falling away from the faith, God will judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) as we can trust Him as our faithful Creator in the keeping of the souls of His saints left behind that will suffer the coming fire on the earth ( Luke 12:40-49 ) & the subsequent coming great tribulation as a result ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 )
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So anyway... do you see my concern for the body of Christ in these latter days where faith is hard to find or not?
God can still recover some from this snare of the devil while the door to the Marriage Supper is open. I am hoping in Him that He will, while keeping me abiding in Him for I place all my hopes and trust in Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him in all things by the grace of God.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Paul spoke about that iniquity as the cause of this falling away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter...
2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP] 2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ..........[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
How many tongue speakers say that by "opening themselves up" to let the Lord work through them or receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues which comes with no interpretation?
he who now let will let until he be taken out of the way? Who? The Restrainer? The Holy Spirit? No. He forever abides.... but the restraining part.. allowing something to enter... that it? You discern with Him as we continue...
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Saved from what? Since the Holy Spirit is still in them for falling away from the faith and can never lose Him. Saved from what is coming next on the earth; the coming fore and the great tribulation after the pre raptured event.
Damned are those saved believers left behind because they can never be received as vessels unto dishonor in His House but to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from this iniquity.
Damned for believing the lie that you can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation or again for a sign of tongues and that is why God permits that strong delusion to occur in this falling away from the faith.
Paul reminds believers of this reproof towards that lie that you can receive the Holy Spirit again or for the first time apart from salvation.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
That is the tradition we have been taught and so any preaching of receiving the Holy Spirit as apart from salvation is a lie and the iniquity that is causing many to fall away from the faith.
If anybody thinks tongue speakers are not saved... think again. Paul did not say that. And I did not apply the scripture in saying that either as explained.
In the 3rd chapter of Thessalonians, Paul continues to address those that will fall away from the faith, not after the tradition taught of us. and are disorderly... to withdraw from them.... as a commandment from the Lord touching us as in helping us to do that when it is time... as 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 testifies, but in 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, we are to withdraw not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still.
The Lord will lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ) and so because of the falling away from the faith, God will judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) as we can trust Him as our faithful Creator in the keeping of the souls of His saints left behind that will suffer the coming fire on the earth ( Luke 12:40-49 ) & the subsequent coming great tribulation as a result ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 )
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So anyway... do you see my concern for the body of Christ in these latter days where faith is hard to find or not?
God can still recover some from this snare of the devil while the door to the Marriage Supper is open. I am hoping in Him that He will, while keeping me abiding in Him for I place all my hopes and trust in Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him in all things by the grace of God.
G
I suppose it can be argued that a person thinking to kill another is not motivated by supernatural motives. I would say that they are. Any person who takes another life (with the exception of self defense) must have some sort of evil supernatural forces using them as a pawn.
Here is a clip from a movie called Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows (1968). The sound quality is not good. Nuns at a girls school decide to take their girls to a rally in California. Their bus breaks down on the way and some biker dudes show up making some insinuations about the girls. One pulls a knife on one of the sisters played by Stella Stevens. I always liked this scene about what she says to the biker dude. He asks Stevens if she was scared. She says he would like to hear her say she is scared, because that would mean what she believes in does not amount to much. He asks her again if she were scared. She says she was afraid for her mortal body, but not for her immortal soul.
I think this is the way we should be toward evil supernatural forces. [video]https://youtu.be/_iAb0pDqj8k?t=2510[/video]
Here is a clip from a movie called Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows (1968). The sound quality is not good. Nuns at a girls school decide to take their girls to a rally in California. Their bus breaks down on the way and some biker dudes show up making some insinuations about the girls. One pulls a knife on one of the sisters played by Stella Stevens. I always liked this scene about what she says to the biker dude. He asks Stevens if she was scared. She says he would like to hear her say she is scared, because that would mean what she believes in does not amount to much. He asks her again if she were scared. She says she was afraid for her mortal body, but not for her immortal soul.
I think this is the way we should be toward evil supernatural forces. [video]https://youtu.be/_iAb0pDqj8k?t=2510[/video]
C
If all Christians were trained in spiritual warfare and battling in it, not one demon would dare set foot on this earth today!
It is a lack of understanding of who we are in Jesus Christ and how puny the enemy actually is!
I've seen a child drive out demons from an area where the occult had been used. There was no way the demons could stay!
It is a lack of understanding of who we are in Jesus Christ and how puny the enemy actually is!
I've seen a child drive out demons from an area where the occult had been used. There was no way the demons could stay!
I find it interesting that while Jesus dealt with the demonic and taught others to do the same, it was not something he went looking for to deal with. One could even possibly say that Jesus did not find taking authority over the demonic was a priority.
He even told us not to rejoice that spirits are subject to us, bur rather our names are written in heaven.
While we know supernatural evil is being manifested in our faces everyday, it does not mean we have to go looking to combat it, through "spiritual warfare"... We are never told anywhere to fight spirits or engage in spiritual warfare anywhere in the Bible....The only fight I am told fight is the fight of faith....and that I wrestle against the supernatural...
I am not afraid to use the Authority I have been given and the name of Jesus in situations at all....to spend our time looking, analyzing, fighting, and engaging in Spiritual warfare takes our eyes off of the the one true deliverance minister, Jesus Christ...
He even told us not to rejoice that spirits are subject to us, bur rather our names are written in heaven.
While we know supernatural evil is being manifested in our faces everyday, it does not mean we have to go looking to combat it, through "spiritual warfare"... We are never told anywhere to fight spirits or engage in spiritual warfare anywhere in the Bible....The only fight I am told fight is the fight of faith....and that I wrestle against the supernatural...
I am not afraid to use the Authority I have been given and the name of Jesus in situations at all....to spend our time looking, analyzing, fighting, and engaging in Spiritual warfare takes our eyes off of the the one true deliverance minister, Jesus Christ...
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Absolutely, it's dangerous to investigate the evil of this world, I believe most people don't have any idea what it involves. It's cursed beyond comprehension, it will do everything to trap you and take you away from God.
It's like a magnetic piece of metal being pushed towards a magnet, it will get caught and pulled in.
We mustn't turn from God, no looking backwards, no walking away. Moving forwards through our challenges and suffering and rebuking all wickedness in your path, not looking behind us.
It's like a magnetic piece of metal being pushed towards a magnet, it will get caught and pulled in.
We mustn't turn from God, no looking backwards, no walking away. Moving forwards through our challenges and suffering and rebuking all wickedness in your path, not looking behind us.
It was not that Jesus figured kicking these demons to the curb was not a priority, It's just that it's no big deal. Tell them where to go and relax. They have no choice but to obey. All we have to do is do what Jesus did. They got in His way, He sent them packing. That' all we have to do too.
LOL You take your eyes off of Jesus and those devils can hand you your butt.
LOL You take your eyes off of Jesus and those devils can hand you your butt.
Oh It's you. Look around you my friend. Most Christians won't talk about the enemy. "Oh don't talk about demons! They'll show up here." They won't discuss anything to do with the enemy at all. That's because of fear. Data is all observation. You have no data to refute it do you? I'm listening. Opinion based on self.....Ya Self observation....self deduction....self conclusion.
Thank you. I have experienced the supernatural to a degree that was inexplicable and terrifying enough it sent me looking everywhere for answers, and the only place I really found answers to what I experienced was in Scripture, which signaled the beginning of the end of my rebellion against God. It is definitely not something to play around with.
I spoke what I see. Adstar can only speak for himself to say HE is not afraid. Each person has to stand on their own. When I see Chistians by the churchful hiding their heads in the sand. I say most Christians are afraid. And truthfully Churchianity does NOT allow for the supernatural of the demonic side. It's not a matter of I can say it and you can't... That is not even an intelligent argument.