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I trusted Moses just fine until I realized that neither he, nor the law, could help me.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
But if you don't read the full Bible I actually don't understand why we are discussing the Bible. We can have a seminar on the NT. I can understand that this will blind and frustrate you because your view is limited. By not understanding the old, the new will never have the full picture.

Jesus said He is the Word. This was before the NT was written. By denying the OT you could be close to denying Christ because everything in the Bible from Bereshit to The End is about Him. He was the living Torah and that is what is so sad. He showed us how to live Torah but we are arguing about the nitty gritties.
 

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Yep, its the law of Moses. Because all of the law came through Moses. Even the 10 Commandments.
Seems like another refusing to hear God....only Moses.
 

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I know you will do anything and everything to justify your work at the law. But the fact remains that the 10 commandments are included in the Law of Moses.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


There was a time and place for the law. But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the law. We are dead to the law and alive to Christ.
The law of Moses was for people who REFUSE to hear God...go on...read it in scripture.
 

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The law of Moses was for people who REFUSE to hear God...go on...read it in scripture.
So you Said the law of moses include sabbath is not for Christian, because Christian not refuse to hear God.
 

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But if you don't read the full Bible I actually don't understand why we are discussing the Bible. We can have a seminar on the NT. I can understand that this will blind and frustrate you because your view is limited. By not understanding the old, the new will never have the full picture.

Jesus said He is the Word. This was before the NT was written. By denying the OT you could be close to denying Christ because everything in the Bible from Bereshit to The End is about Him. He was the living Torah and that is what is so sad. He showed us how to live Torah but we are arguing about the nitty gritties.
Who's denying the OT?

Its a shadow of what was to come. The Lord Jesus Christ.

The OT is actually pretty awesome when you know that before-hand.


But if you think that the Lord Jesus Christ came to show people how to live by the OT then you are very sadly mistaken.
 

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The law of Moses was for people who REFUSE to hear God...go on...read it in scripture.
Funny that you of all people know that.

Oh, but you are still confused on what the law of Moses is...

Here, let me show you...

Exodus 31:18 [FONT=&quot]And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

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2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
 

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Hi, I am trying to keep God's Holy day in the correct way, I do not go to a church because there are only two churches in the village in which I live and although I have been asked to join one of them, they do not keep God's Holy day on a Saturday.

I wondered if any one else have the same problem, and if so what you do.

In my opinion Sabbath is still sundown Friday until sundown Saturday; it never changed. I say opinion for the sake of argument. Therefor, ask G-d. How He directs you about the Sabbath start your own church if you believe the Scripture and not man to be accurate on The Word of G-d.
 

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To those who say, would say, or have said something to the effect I am a Judeizer should really look again at what I have said. We are all going to be blameless in the Kingdom of Elohim. Not one of us on our own merit are blameless. Even Job who it is said of Elohim that he was blameless had faith in Elohim to provide a way for him to have life and did offer prayers and duplication to Elohim for forgiveness of his and his families sins. What would it benefit Messiah to give us life if we all can not agree that the Father through His word gave us also the way to stay in the favor of Elohim and have abundant life? He would not benefit to have rebels who create discord in His Kingdom. Is it not the will of even Messiah that we become blameless? We do not gain salvation for sure through even the perfect law of God. We are to use it as the example not as law and right and wrong but revealed as the person of The Word of God, the Messiah. It is through this person you all have been called by. To be partakers of the Kingdom of the Father. Does the instruction help a believer in the Messiah? Yes in every way. So we can not wonder in darkness with the word of the Father directing our feet and the testimony of Messiah guarding our Heart. This is why I am glad, that being preached is the cross and Messiah crucified. What my inner man cries for you for, that you will not understand that what Messiah has made a way for you is so you may obey the Father's Way to inherit life through Messiah the Word of Elohim. Still back to being a Judeizer. If I was trying to convert you to being a Jew and being put under the "Law of Moshe" you wouldn't be wrong. However I am not a Jew. I am not a representative of the religion of the Jess. I am a representative of the Kingdom of The Messiah and Elohim. I do not pretend to be without sin but war against sin in my body with my inner man daily. Because I have Hope, Faith, and Love I can see dimly the promise of a redemption to come. My hope is that you will leave her and enter into the rest made for man, sanctified by the Father, and made new again in Messiah to find Peace. Grace to you who receive this peace in Messiah. John Talmid
 
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Hi Grandpa,

I know you will do anything and everything to justify your work at the law. But the fact remains that the 10 commandments are included in the Law of Moses.
Absolutely, the laws of Moses are the Sanctuary system, the ceremonial laws, the feast days with new moons and ceremonial sabbath, the animal sacrificial laws, ordinances and civil and health laws. Gods Law was kept in the holy of holy place in the Sanctuary and was the great standard of God's character to point out sin but was not a cure for sin. The laws of Moses was the cure for sin in the Old Testament pointing to Jesus and a Shadow of things to come. This is how they are included in the laws of Moses. Fact is however God's Law is Gods Law not the laws of Moses which were written on a book (Deut 31:24;7)! God's Word says God's Law (the 10 commandments) was the work of God (Ex 32:16), it was written with God's own finger on tables of stone (Ex 31:18; 32:16), It was spoken by God himself to the people (Ex 20:1-22), God gave it to Moses to look after and keep (Ex 31:18). God's 10 commandment were always kept separate to the Book of Moses (Torah) (Deut 10:5; Deut 31:25). Moses makes it very clear that it is not His Law but God's we must believe God and thank Him for them because they bring us to Jesus.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Absolutely! God's Law was given to Moses by God to give to the people but it was God's Law. "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God." (Ex 31:18)

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
"Ditto" same as the above scripture

Exodus 31:18Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
I don't know why you and others keep accusing people here as being under the Law because they say that believing and obeying God is a part of God's plan of salvation? Do you know what it means to be UNDER the Law? It means to be condemned by the Law because you are a sinner. Especially if you are trying to keep the Law of God without Faith. No one here is telling anyone that we are saved by our works. We are saved by faith in Christ and works are the result of faith that works by love (Gal 5:6)

There was a time and place for the law. But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the law. We are dead to the law and alive to Christ.
If you sin (Break any of God's 10 Commandments) you have also fallen from Grace and are under the Law condemned as a sinner in need of a savior (Gal 5:7; Ex 18:20-32). Sin is not believing God. It is disobedience to God and this will keep you out of heaven. Those that love Jesus will keep his commandments (John 14:15)
 
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Notice above of what the Judaizers that Paul encountered in Galatia when they came to distort the gospel of the grace of God in Christ for their "law-keeping" of which circumcision and Sabbath keeping are all based on the Old Testament and are but shadows of the real thing - which is Christ Himself.

Notice the "tactics" of the Judaizers - "Don't you love God, don't you believe the word of God. I only give you the word of God. Don't you lover Jesus? Jesus kept all the commandments. Why don't you?"

What is really being said is - If you don't follow the Old Testament shadow way of doing things - then you don't believe the word of God and you don't love Jesus. It's a bunch of spiritual witchcraft and it's a work of the flesh. Gal. 5:19

Jesus is our true Sabbath rest of which the Old Testament testifies of Him.

People are free in the liberty that is in Christ to observe any day or feast fro the Old Testament as they like - but when they say "You are sinning and dis-obeying God if you don't do it the Old Testament way" -

These are Judaizers and are distorting and perverting the gospel.


Paul said that he didn't stand for this for one hour so that the truth of the gospel would remain with the believers.

To those that observe the day for their own personal reasons and do not say that believers are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't observe the Sabbath as in the Old Testament - I say "Happy Sabbath" when Friday comes along.

Tell us how you see Christ as your true Sabbath rest. We can learn from each other.
Hi Grace777,

How are you today my friend? Well to be honest I am not sure where to start with this post it is really one of the funniest posts I have seen for some time. Here is a funny post back in return...

It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

God bless you my friend :)
 

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If you sin (Break any of God's 10 Commandments) you have also fallen from Grace and are under the Law condemned as a sinner in need of a savior (Gal 5:7; Ex 18:20-32). Sin is not believing God. It is disobedience to God and this will keep you out of heaven. Those that love Jesus will keep his commandments (John 14:15)
And here is the kicker - you don't believe the Gospel of grace.
You are absolutely into the law and works salvation.

Unfortunately you condemn yourself utterly, remember, if you fall short on any point of the law then you fail at all points:

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For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

You cannot divide the law up into sections and decide which bits you want to keep.
Yet, this is what you hypocrites do!
The WHOLE law is obligatory.

As for Gal 5:7 - what a thumbsuck!!!
It does not mean anything close to what you have referenced it to - liar!

I will post the entire section of Scripture for context:

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a] and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased. 12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off! Gal 5:1-12

What has vs 7 got to with falling from grace?
Nothing!

The context is simple:
The phrase "
obeying the truth" is nothing to do with the law but rather the Gospel (salvation by grace through faith).
Why is Paul not talking about the law here?
Simple - read the whole passage!
In vs 2 "
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing." the word circumcision is shorthand for obeying the law.
Paul is saying if you follow the law then, "
Christ will profit you nothing."
Ooops! Hardly an endorsement of the law is it!

And Paul is not done!
In vs 11 he states just as unequivocally, "
And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased."
Paul was being persecuted because he refused to preach that the law was necessary.
And, "
the offense of the cross" that Paul refers to is the Gospel of grace through faith.
Why is it offensive?
The Gospel is offensive to those who believe that the law is necessary for salvation or maintaining salvation (it is actually the same thing), precisely because once one accepts the truth of the Gospel the law is no longer required.

Paul, in another part of Galatians actually states this:

[FONT=&quot]24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal 3:24-25
No part of the law is binding on believers!
This includes the ten commandments.

Back to Chapter 5...
Given that the law is no longer binding what now determines our morals and ethics?
Paul gives the answer here:
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[FONT=&quot]16I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Gal 5:15-26
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Paul exhorts us to walk in the Spirit. Gal 5:16
Why?
Because, "[FONT=&quot]if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.[/FONT]
" Gal 5:18
And what is the result of being led by the Spirit?
"[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.[/FONT]
" Gal 5:22-23

The Holy Spirit Himself is the guide to our new ethical framework - not the law!

So, Gal 5:7 cannot be a reference to anything other than the Gospel of grace.
It cannot be a reference to the law!
Furthermore law-breaking is far wider than just the transgressing the ten commandments - all 613 ordinances are in play if one places oneself under the law.
 
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And here is the kicker - you don't believe the Gospel of grace.
You are absolutely into the law and works salvation.

Unfortunately you condemn yourself utterly, remember, if you fall short on any point of the law then you fail at all points:
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For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

You cannot divide the law up into sections and decide which bits you want to keep.
Yet, this is what you hypocrites do!
The WHOLE law is obligatory.

As for Gal 5:7 - what a thumbsuck!!!
It does not mean anything close to what you have referenced it to - liar!

I will post the entire section of Scripture for context:

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a] and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased. 12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off! Gal 5:1-12

What has vs 7 got to with falling from grace?
Nothing!

The context is simple:
The phrase "
obeying the truth" is nothing to do with the law but rather the Gospel (salvation by grace through faith).
Why is Paul not talking about the law here?
Simple - read the whole passage!
In vs 2 "
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing." the word circumcision is shorthand for obeying the law.
Paul is saying if you follow the law then, "
Christ will profit you nothing."
Ooops! Hardly an endorsement of the law is it!

And Paul is not done!
In vs 11 he states just as unequivocally, "
And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased."
Paul was being persecuted because he refused to preach that the law was necessary.
And, "
the offense of the cross" that Paul refers to is the Gospel of grace through faith.
Why is it offensive?
The Gospel is offensive to those who believe that the law is necessary for salvation or maintaining salvation (it is actually the same thing), precisely because once one accepts the truth of the Gospel the law is no longer required.

Paul, in another part of Galatians actually states this:

24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.Gal 3:24-25
No part of the law is binding on believers!
This includes the ten commandments.

Back to Chapter 5...
Given that the law is no longer binding what now determines our morals and ethics?
Paul gives the answer here:

16I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Gal 5:15-26


Paul exhorts us to walk in the Spirit. Gal 5:16
Why?
Because, "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
" Gal 5:18
And what is the result of being led by the Spirit?
"22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
" Gal 5:22-23

The Holy Spirit Himself is the guide to our new ethical framework - not the law!
So, Gal 5:7 cannot be a reference to anything other than the Gospel of grace.
It cannot be a reference to the law!
Furthermore law-breaking is far wider than just the transgressing the ten commandments - all 613 ordinances are in play if one places oneself under the law.
Hi graceNpeace

How are you today my friend? I do not have any problem with the scriptures you are quoting however your interpretation of them I guess is the problem. I think this is because you do not understand the difference between the Laws of God and the laws of Moses.

Can you tell me what are the Laws of God and what the laws of Moses are?

If you cant you have found the problem to your interpretation of God's Word which will help you to rightly divide the Word of truth. Also seems you did not read the funny post above yours it could of saved you a lot of typing as well in regards to accusing people of being under the works of the Law .. here you go...

It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

God bless you my friend keep studying :)
 

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It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

God bless you my friend keep studying :)
Obviously you cannot read!
How does exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit equate to your silly accusation?
 
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Obviously you cannot read!
How does exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit equate to your silly accusation?
Hi graceNpeace,

I will answer yours if you answer mine? I will go first....

The fruits of the spirit are, LOVE, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control

Do you know the difference between the Law of God and the laws of Moses and do you love Jesus?

God bless you
 
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Hi graceNpeace,

I will answer yours if you answer mine? I will go first....

The fruits of the spirit are, LOVE, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control

Do you know the difference between the Law of God and the laws of Moses and do you love Jesus?

God bless you
There is NO difference between the law of God and the law of Moses.
This is your FALSE distinction!

No doubt to try and separate out the ten commandments from the rest of the law.
So it deserves what it gets: a big fat raspberry!
 
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Hi Grace777,

How are you today my friend? Well to be honest I am not sure where to start with this post it is really one of the funniest posts I have seen for some time. Here is a funny post back in return...

It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

God bless you my friend :)
The problem is my friend - you are leaving Christ out as usual and the New Covenant and the new creation that is in Christ. You keep replacing Christ for the law.

I thank God for your posts because I always get to proclaim Christ Himself and what He has already done for us in His finished work!

We don't need to live by the moral code in the law of Moses which says in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with a animal. The law of Christ Himself , the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop this.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses including the 10 commandments anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

We do have laws in the New Covenant.

They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty in Christ Jesus ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ Himself in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us..
Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.


Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

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gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.




 
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There is NO difference between the law of God and the law of Moses.
This is your FALSE distinction!

No doubt to try and separate out the ten commandments from the rest of the law.
So it deserves what it gets: a big fat raspberry!
Well there you go now you have found the reason for why your wrong interpretation from Gods Word. The other question was..
Do you Love Jesus? (fruit of the spirit) I noticed you did not answer this.

God bless you
 
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The problem is my friend - you are leaving Christ out as usual and the New Covenant and the new creation that is in Christ. You keep replacing Christ for the law.

I thank God for your posts because I always get to proclaim Christ Himself and what He has already done for us in His finished work!

We don't need to live by the moral code in the law of Moses which says in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with a animal. The law of Christ Himself , the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop this.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses including the 10 commandments anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.
We do have laws in the New Covenant.
They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.
Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.
Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )
2) The law of love( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )
3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )
4) The law of liberty in Christ Jesus ( James 1:25 )
5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ Himself in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us.
( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.
Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.


Hi Grace777

There is no problem on my part my friend. I love Jesus (the fruit of the Spirit)

Do you love Jesus Grace777?

God bless you
 

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Well there you go now you have found the reason for why your wrong interpretation from Gods Word. The other question was..
Do you Love Jesus? (fruit of the spirit) I noticed you did not answer this.

God bless you
I am sorry I do love Jesus.
That does not equate to accepting a false view of Scripture.
There is no difference between the law of God and the law of Moses.
It is an invention to try and separate the ten commandments from the rest of the law of Moses.
However the law of Moses (including the ten commandments) stands and falls as a unit.
No amount of sophistry can change that!
 
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I am sorry I do love Jesus.
That does not equate to accepting a false view of Scripture.
There is no difference between the law of God and the law of Moses.
It is an invention to try and separate the ten commandments from the rest of the law of Moses.
However the law of Moses (including the ten commandments) stands and falls as a unit.
No amount of sophistry can change that!
Then Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments" (John 14:15)

God bless you