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Rainrider

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Exactly. There's no hope in a gospel offering conditional salvation. We know that through Jesus we can be completely forgiven, where the slate is wiped clean, and we have eternal life, sealed.

I've often wondered... do some witness to others, telling them that God will forgive them of their sins, but not completely?! This is no different than what so many already have... the false religions of the world that keep many in chains, when Christ is the one that sets us free from all of that.

God NEVER breaks His promises. And there's nothing conditional about eternal life.
Yet we find,

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Funny thing to say when the Law has no binding effect on Salvation.
 

Rainrider

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Face it, you were having a dig and it didn't work out for you...
I have no need in that kind of behavior, yet it does seem that some simply can't help but to add words or thoughts for others when it suits their need.
 

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Hi graceNpeace,

Thanks for your message. It is a shame you have not understood the meanings of post 1369. The only purpose of this post was to simply show from God’s Word the existence and origin of the ceremonial feasts Sabbaths that were a Shadow spoken of in Colossians 2:14-17. Once again these are not my words go read them again if you do not understand what they are saying. Anyhow, I am happy to share God’s Word with you and those that may be interested. This post should be read in conjunction with post 1369 for those that maybe interested in God's Word.

Good question. It is easy to see from the Word of God that there are many laws referred to in the Torah (first five books of the bible. Here is some of the descriptions and differences applied from God’s Word. You can see quite clearly that God’s Law is forever. (Ecc 3:14)

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God’s Law

10 Commandments

The Decalogue

(Ex 20:1-17)
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Torah, “Pentateuch”

The ceremonial/civil laws and ordinances

(Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).
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Written on Stone
(Ex 31:18)​
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Written in a book,
(Deut 31:24,7; Deut 31:24)
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Placed in the Ark
(Deut 10:5)​
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Placed beside the Ark
(Deut 31:25)​
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Written by God's finger
(Ex 31:18, 32:16)​
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Written by Moses'
(Deut 31:9; Ex 24:4)​
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Written on two tables of stone
(Deut 4:13)
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Written in a book
(Deut 31:24)
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Spoken by God
(Ex 20:1,22)​
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Spoken by Moses
(Ex 24:3)​
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God gave

(Ex 31:18)
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Moses gave

(Deut 31:24-26)
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Describes how to love God and our neighbour

(Ex 20:1-17, Matt 22:35-40)
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Describes the plan of salvation
Including the history of our world, creation, the fall of mankind the promise of salvation which included ceremonial laws, the sanctuary service and sacrificial system for sin with feast days, new moons and ceremonial Sabbaths which were a shadows on things to come (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy Col 2:16-16, Heb 10:1, Eph 2:14-15)
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The Law of God is Forever

(Ecc 3:14)
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Ceremonial Laws done away

Earthly sanctuary and sacrificial sin offerings, feast days, new moons, ceremonial Sabbaths nailed to the cross

(Eph 2:14)
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Breaking Gods Law = sin

Sin is the transgression of God’s Law
(1 John 3:4)​
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Prescribes laws for cleansing and forgiveness of sin

Included anearthly sanctuary and sacrificial sin offerings, which pointed to Jesus and was completed at his death. Does not identify what sin is (Lev 1:1-17)​
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Shows us our need of salvation and shows us that we are sinners

Shows us what sin is and our need of salvation(Gal 3:24, 1John 3:4)​
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Foreshadows the plan of salvation

Foreshadowed the plan of salvation

pointing to Jesus as our sacrifice for sin and Great high priest does not show what sin is! Fulfilled when Jesus died

(Lev 4,5,6, Heb 4:14, 9,10, John 1:29)
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Called the 10 Commandments

(Ex 20:1-17)
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Called Ceremonial Laws Statutes, Ordinances, decrees and feast days

(Ex, Lev, Deut)
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Still in force today
(Ps 111:7-8, Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1John 3:5-8, 1John 2:3-4 etc.)​
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Not in force today

Ceremonial Laws, earthly sanctuary and sacrificial system pointing to Jesus is nailed to the cross and no longer required
(Eph 2:15; Col 2:14-17)​
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Great standard in the Judgement

(Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31)
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Judges nothing

(Col 2:16)
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Actually some of this section is already proven above so no need to touch on it here. You need to revisit your interpretation of Ephesians 2:15, like your interpretation of Col 2:16-17. The Greek word for ordinances in this verse is the same word used in Colossians 2:14 that refers to what was nailed to the cross. Paul reveals in Colossians 2:16 that these ordinances had “meat and drink offerings,” “holy feast days,” “monthly new moon festivals” and “yearly sacrificial Sabbaths” that Ezekiel 45:17 ever so plainly reveals that this is what was practiced to make reconciliation for sin. In other words, the sacrificial law, which was part of the Mosaic Law. The Ten Commandments were written in the Ten Commandments while the Mosaic Law was written in the Mosaic Law.

Here is what the Strong's and Thayer dictionaries state on the Greek word dogma for ordinances used in this verse. As you can see, there is not so much as a hint of the Ten Commandments being mentioned. Strong's effectively labelled it the ceremonial law while the Thayer dictionary was even clearer stating it was the rules and requirements of the law of Moses. The ordinances are also called the Law of Moses and you can see some of the key differences between laws in the table above.


And here is another example for even more clarity. Before the cross in the Old Covenant there were both the Ten Commandments and the Ordinances as also seen from Luke 1:6 that alone proves they are not the same thing. Hebrews 9:1-2 states that the Old (first) Covenant also had ordinances and hence is clarifying that the New Covenant does not. And if the Old Covenant “had also” which means in addition to something. Then what is left? See Luke 1:6 again for the obvious answer. So to ask an obvious question. Do these two verses refer to the moral law or the sacrificial law? Note that the “worldly sanctuary” in verse 1 and “the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary” in verse 2 unmistakably belong to the temple or sanctuary which is where the animal sacrifices were carried out and hence the sacrificial law and not the moral law
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Well your interpretation as pretty much been shown for what it is I guess. I don’t need to say anything else. But wish you and everyone all the best as you seek Jesus through His Word and ask Him what is His truth.


God bless you all.
Couldn't be more clear ! and made so by scripture the Word of God !
 

graceNpeace

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Yet we find,

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Funny thing to say when the Law has no binding effect on Salvation.
Yup, if you are under the law thats exactly and unequivocally what will happen...
 

JaumeJ

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I would not presume to tell you about rabbits and rabbit holes, but the creation story givenus in Genesis and penned by Moses at teh behest of God tells us that the earth and all that we know of this age wa created in six days by our Father.

On the Seventh Day our Father stopped His work creating and set that day aside to rest, not that God needs to rest ever. He pronounced the seventh day as a day to rest for man and to spend it with Him . Later Jesus elaborted on all of the laws andshowed us, me anyway, how they are today, and how they are and are not in effect.

All of the above wa recorded throughtout history untl the present-day calendar on the Hebrew Lunar calendar.

The lunar calendar coincides with Friday evening sundown until Saterday evening sundown on the solar calendar employed by most western countries today.

Sunday is the first day on the Lunar calendar.-.... So I cannot say anyoneknowing this understands your reasoning or logic.. God bless you,.


You are chasing rabbits down rabbit-holes.
No-one is changing any day from one day to another.
You are completely misinformed.
 

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This is just a typical straw-man.
No day has been changed.
It is simply that the Sabbath is no longer binding on a New Covenant believer!
The 'intent, purpose and meaning of the Sabbath day have been transferred to sunday - THAT is a change.
No it is not binding - now it is a case of willingly FOLLOWING our living walking Example Jesus Christ !
If you are not walking with Him how can you know where you are going ?
 

JaumeJ

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When sthe law was given to Moses for one, I believe that is workable. Since I can no long er read much, I relay on memory a lot.

The Seventh day is a day to rest from our labors, and be at peace with God however we see fit with a clear conscince in His dsight. Jesus christ gave us this freedom when He teaches the law should always be utilized in faith, mercy and justice. I believe this covers what the reasoning is for saying to pass the day as we see fit..
 

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When sthe law was given to Moses for one, I believe that is workable. Since I can no long er read much, I relay on memory a lot.

The Seventh day is a day to rest from our labors, and be at peace with God however we see fit with a clear conscince in His dsight. Jesus christ gave us this freedom when He teaches the law should always be utilized in faith, mercy and justice. I believe this covers what the reasoning is for saying to pass the day as we see fit..
Thats right - that command was given as part of the law of Moses.
And the law of Moses is no longer binding on New Covenant believers - go and read Hebrews chapter 8.
 

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And what about all the christians being held in concentration camps, like North Korea? Do some believe that God will abandon them and throw them into hell, because they have no idea what day of the week it is?
 
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No misconceptions!
The law (all of it) is not binding on a New Covenant believer.
All the classifications and slicing and dicing, and gymnastics you are doing that is related to the law will not change that...

Also, I will emphasise that your dismissal of the meaning of Colossians chapter 2 with your faulty exegesis cannot change the plain meaning: the law is no longer binding, and that includes the observance of the Sabbath
Hi graceNpeace,

You can call the sky is purple the sky is purple all you like. Just because you say something a lot of times does not make it true. This is the same as you crying my posts are faulty faulty faulty yet you do not bother to answer any of my posts from 1166, 1168, 1369 and 1388 (not to mention 1157, 1160, 1183, 1209 and 1218). Like I said earlier, our opinions mean little. If God tells me the sky is blue I must believe Him.

The difference between you and me is that the scriptures you show me are in harmony with everything I believe and I have no problem with them. I show you the courtesy of answering all your posts yet you answer none of mine. Everything in the New Testament I see has its origin from the Old Testament. I believe that as Christians we are to believe EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4)

You are having problems with the 200+ scriptures quoted in the posts above because of your interpretation of the Word God. I do not have any problems with any of your scriptures. This alone should tell you that just maybe your building on sifting sand with your understanding of God's Word. If you are going to continue to call the sky purple the sky is purple and not show me from God's Word why you claim my posts are faulty while always crying faulty faulty faulty every time I post something, it is best we just agree to disagree and be friends. I know God's Word is not faulty.

God bless you my friend
 
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graceNpeace

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The 'intent, purpose and meaning of the Sabbath day have been transferred to sunday - THAT is a change.
No it is not binding - now it is a case of willingly FOLLOWING our living walking Example Jesus Christ !
If you are not walking with Him how can you know where you are going ?
I do walk with Him - why are you making a false assumption that I cannot be if I do not observe the Sabbath?
 

Rainrider

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When sthe law was given to Moses for one, I believe that is workable. Since I can no long er read much, I relay on memory a lot.

The Seventh day is a day to rest from our labors, and be at peace with God however we see fit with a clear conscince in His dsight. Jesus christ gave us this freedom when He teaches the law should always be utilized in faith, mercy and justice. I believe this covers what the reasoning is for saying to pass the day as we see fit..
Your memory serve you well my friend. May HaShem bless you and keep it sharp.
 

graceNpeace

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Hi graceNpeace,

You can call the sky is purple the sky is purple all you like. Just because you say something a lot of times does not make it true. This is the same as you crying my posts are faulty faulty faulty yet you do not bother to answer any of my posts from 1166, 1168, 1369 and 1388 (not to mention 1157, 1160, 1183, 1209 and 1218). Like I said earlier, our opinions mean little. If God tells me the sky is blue I must believe Him.

The difference between you and me is that the scriptures you show me are in harmony with everything I believe and I have no problem with them. I show you the courtesy of answering all your posts yet you answer none of mine. Everything in the New Testament I see has its origin from the Old Testament. I believe that as Christians we are to believe EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4)

You are having problems with the 200+ scriptures quoted in the posts above because of your interpretation of the Word God. I do not have any problems with any of your scriptures. This alone should tell you that just maybe your building on sifting sand with your understanding of God's Word. If you are going to continue to call the sky purple the sky is purple and not show me from God's Word why you claim my posts are faulty while always crying faulty faulty faulty every time I post something, it is best we just agree to disagree and be friends. I know God's Word is not faulty.

God bless you my friend
Why must I wade through hundreds of references when I can disprove your interpretation of one or two!
This I have done.

Genesis 2:1-2 cannot be a command to man to observe the Sabbath despite your protestations - the best you could counter with was something along the lines of "I can see it but you can't".
Well that is NOT Biblical proof and it cannot be provided because I can read Gen 2:1-2 as well as you can all it says is that God rested on that day, and He blessed and sanctified it.
That is all.
Absolutely no command to man to do anything.
The word Sabbath is not mentioned at all throughout Genesis - none of the patriarchs observed the Sabbath ever!

Your abysmal attempt at exegesis in Colossians chapter 2 - all to try and "disprove" the simple truth that Paul says one does not have to observe the Sabbath.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Col 2:11-17

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handwriting of requirements mentioned here is nothing more or less than the law.
Not some bits of it - all of it!
And when Paul says it was taken out of the way, were did it go?
Well, it was nailed to the cross - the law and its righteous requirements are nailed to the cross!
ALL OF THE LAW - including Sabbath-keeping!

That is what allows Paul to say this:

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Col 2:16-17

So, why must I bother wading through reams and reams of out of context Scripture when falsehoods such as your interpretation of Gen 2:1-2 and Col 2:14-17 are so easy to disprove...
 

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Yet we find,

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Funny thing to say when the Law has no binding effect on Salvation.
Hello RainRider,

In the scripture above, their own words demonstrate why they will not be allowed to enter in: "did we not" prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles.

We are saved by grace through faith and this not by our own works. It is because those in the scripture above are trusting in their own works which is why they will not be able to enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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Hello RainRider,

In the scripture above, their own words demonstrate why they will not be allowed to enter in: "did we not" prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles.

We are saved by grace through faith and this not by our own works. It is because those in the scripture above are trusting in their own works which is why they will not be able to enter into the kingdom of God.
they not allow to enter because they not do the Will of the Father

in matt 25 Jesus informed one more time about the last judgement they not allow to enter because when z Jesus hungered they not feed Him

so the Will of the father is feed Jesus

then Jesus Said what ever you did for the Poor you do It for me

so what is the Will of the father?

the answered is agape love


Matt 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

the Will of the father is agape love

no body able to do agape love without the help of the Holy spirit

agape love is the fruit of Holy spirit ( galatians 5)

branch Will not bear the fruit of itself, It must abite to the Tree

So what is the Will of the Father

the Will of the Father is abide to Jesus or

​the Will of the Father is have a faith in Jesus, than you allow to enter to heaven


 
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The truth is the 10 commandments are part of the law of Moses unless "coveting" got kicked out of the 10 because it was caught "coveting".

Paul who knew the law better than any Pharisee living today tells us this truth. The enemy has done a mind job on us to get us to try to exchange Christ Himself for our carnal keeping of a shadow that is only a representation of Him.

Romans 7:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

The 10 commandments are called the ministration of death - Christians have absolutely nothing to do with the law of Moses now in the New Covenant. We read the law to see Christ in them and He has fulfilled the law.

The Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law but under grace. it can't get any plainer than that. Rom. 7:1-6

We have been released from the law "so that" we could be joined to another. Jesus our true Sabbath rest.


The 10 commandments were called the ministry of condemnation and of death by Paul. We can trust the life of Christ in us to live godly in this world.

The grace of God "teaches" now in the New Covenant how to deny ungodliness and to live sensibly, righteous and godly in this present age - NOT the law of Moses. Titus 2:11-12

The 10 commandments are called the "letter that kills" and the "ministry of death" - The New Covenant is called the "ministry of the Spirit" that brings Life.

The 10 commandments were called "the ministry of condemnation" - the New Covenant is called "the ministry of righteousness." This is Christ's righteousness given to us that believe.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.

The law of Moses including the 10 commandments are like an x-ray machine - they show up things that are wrong but the x-ray machine has no power to "fix it".

It just reveals what is wrong. It's the same here for Christ Himself and His life in our new hearts is the only thing that can "fix us" with a transformed live.
 
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in that case why we not doing animali sacrifice

Jesus is circumcised, we not

paul Said sabbath is only shadow of Jesus.
This is actually straight forward...

We don't have to sacrifice because we already have the perfect sacrifice

The Old Testament teach us about the circumcision of the heart and not the flesh. Jesus was circumcised because He was a Jew. I am not a Jew.

Paul said many things that is misinterpreted but I can promise you this, none of them did not keep the law.
 

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This is actually straight forward...

We don't have to sacrifice because we already have the perfect sacrifice

The Old Testament teach us about the circumcision of the heart and not the flesh. Jesus was circumcised because He was a Jew. I am not a Jew.

Paul said many things that is misinterpreted but I can promise you this, none of them did not keep the law.
I am sorry, if this is the case then all the Apostles are monstrous hypocrites.

Paul did, in fact, call Peter a hypocrite for being swayed by the Judaizers:

11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c] 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.Gal 2:11-16

How on earth can Paul confront Peter and say this, "
If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?" Gal 2:14, if they lived according to the law at all times?

This whole passage makes no sense if everyone lived according to the law!
What Bible are you reading - seriously!

And what about this on the same issue:

[FONT=&quot]15 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ[a] we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’[b]
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[FONT=&quot]18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[c] 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[d] from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”[/FONT]
[h=3]The Jerusalem Decree[/h][FONT=&quot]22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[e] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 They wrote this letter by them:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]24Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, You must be circumcised and keep the law”[f]—to whom we gave no such commandment25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Farewell. Acts 15:1-29

Above is the account of the Jerusalem Council, whose express purpose was to determine whether the Judaizers - those seeking to impose the law on believers, particularly Gentile believers - should be heeded.
At the end of the Council a letter is composed to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia.
They are EXPRESSLY assured that they are not bound to observe the law, "
24Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, You must be circumcised and keep the law”[f]—to whom we gave no such commandment", and furthermore the only instructions given are these, " 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."
I would call Peter a massive hypocrite if him and the rest of the disciples after refuting the Judaizers turn around and go back to observing the law!
No, Sir they did not!
Peter learned his lesson after being rebuked by Paul!
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Thats right - that command was given as part of the law of Moses.
And the law of Moses is no longer binding on New Covenant believers - go and read Hebrews chapter 8.
It might help to start at the beginning and not the end. It-the Commandments only became a part of Moses law AFTER they had HEARD GOD GIVE THEM Deut 5v22-25 and they REFUSED to hear God any more....from then on they only listened to Moses. Does that negate the fact that GOD SPOKE to the people first the 10 Commandments ???
Refusing to HEAR GOD does make them Moses law but only to those who refuse GOD ! Do you want to be one of those ???