Matthew 11:12
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Did not Jesus say that the Kingdom is within you.....and were not the Pharisees and religious vehemently opposed to what the disciples, John and Jesus preached.....beating, maltreating, imprisoning and killing those who proclaimed the truth.....from day one with Abel and until the end the servants of the Lord will suffer violence by the hyper religious who force their religion by force.......
this culminates in....TAKE the MARK or lose your head.......
This is off the cuff....so...I acknowledge it may or may not be hitting the mark......<--HONESTY
this culminates in....TAKE the MARK or lose your head.......
This is off the cuff....so...I acknowledge it may or may not be hitting the mark......<--HONESTY
There's a difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God Dcon...
And there's a teaching in Pentecostal ministries (some) that teach the violent are believers that take the things of the Kingdom by force or power.
Do you agree with this?
And there's a teaching in Pentecostal ministries (some) that teach the violent are believers that take the things of the Kingdom by force or power.
Do you agree with this?
The kingdom of God is within. The kingdom of heaven is heaven. Sometimes it is used interchangeably but wrong.
That has always been my question. How and why would we take by force? Today my husband quoted this to me and inside I knew there was something wrong. It's just a teaching that he had heard.
So I looked at my Hebrew to English bible. It's not what Jesus said.
Matthew 11:12
From the time of Yochanan the Immerser until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been suffering violence; yes, violent ones are trying to snatch it away.
I think those who are teaching that we are the violent ones, mean well. But, I see another meaning here...and it's not the same as I've heard.
Who would it be who would try to snatch the kingdom of heaven?
I posted this because this is so misunderstood IMHO.
However, I would welcome anyone who sees this differently and would correct me. For I do want to know truth.
That has always been my question. How and why would we take by force? Today my husband quoted this to me and inside I knew there was something wrong. It's just a teaching that he had heard.
So I looked at my Hebrew to English bible. It's not what Jesus said.
Matthew 11:12
From the time of Yochanan the Immerser until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been suffering violence; yes, violent ones are trying to snatch it away.
I think those who are teaching that we are the violent ones, mean well. But, I see another meaning here...and it's not the same as I've heard.
Who would it be who would try to snatch the kingdom of heaven?
I posted this because this is so misunderstood IMHO.
However, I would welcome anyone who sees this differently and would correct me. For I do want to know truth.
John the baptist preached about the kingdom of God,something that has not been taught before that,and the coming Messiah,which excited the people greatly in which they were wanting to cling on to that desparately,and then Jesus preached the Gospel further exciting the people with miracles,His wisdom,eternal life to those who follow Him.
From the days of John the Baptist until Jesus was preaching,the kingdom of heaven suffers violence,and the violent take it by force,like Jesus spoke in parables,so only those who were spiritually hungry would understand.
The kingdom of heaven suffers violence,and the violent take it by force,which we have to want to enter heaven so much,that we will beat at the door of the kingdom,until our hands are swollen,and bloody,saying,let me in.
A determination that has not been seen before John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus,and Jesus preached,for this was exciting and new to people,and they believed Jesus was the Messiah,and only the spiritually hungry with great determination can enter the kingdom of heaven.
From the days of John the Baptist until Jesus was preaching,the kingdom of heaven suffers violence,and the violent take it by force,like Jesus spoke in parables,so only those who were spiritually hungry would understand.
The kingdom of heaven suffers violence,and the violent take it by force,which we have to want to enter heaven so much,that we will beat at the door of the kingdom,until our hands are swollen,and bloody,saying,let me in.
A determination that has not been seen before John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus,and Jesus preached,for this was exciting and new to people,and they believed Jesus was the Messiah,and only the spiritually hungry with great determination can enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
From the violence that jailed John the Baptist, that claimed his life, this force will continue in power and force until the kingdom of heaven comes to earth.
That day will be close to this flesh age, at the sounding of the seventh trumpet.
At that time our Lord Jesus Christ will return for the second advent. We are entering a time when violence is becoming far worse than before, but when Satan the Antichrist returns to earth, the violence is not a physical violence, but spiritual violence and that force will claim the spiritual life of all mankind, except for God's elect.
The violence of the end times is by mental anguish, cruelty, and punishment, which comes from the Antichrist claiming something that he is not.
It will be Satan in the role of Antichrist standing up and claiming to be Christ and having the world believe it, and they will.
As we get closer to the coming of the Antichrist, pay attention to the spiritually forceful ones becoming more violent in the push to place their false peace accords in place.
You will know them by the words that come out of their mouths.
The peace that they offer is a false peace, and the words that they say are lies.
From the violence that jailed John the Baptist, that claimed his life, this force will continue in power and force until the kingdom of heaven comes to earth.
That day will be close to this flesh age, at the sounding of the seventh trumpet.
At that time our Lord Jesus Christ will return for the second advent. We are entering a time when violence is becoming far worse than before, but when Satan the Antichrist returns to earth, the violence is not a physical violence, but spiritual violence and that force will claim the spiritual life of all mankind, except for God's elect.
The violence of the end times is by mental anguish, cruelty, and punishment, which comes from the Antichrist claiming something that he is not.
It will be Satan in the role of Antichrist standing up and claiming to be Christ and having the world believe it, and they will.
As we get closer to the coming of the Antichrist, pay attention to the spiritually forceful ones becoming more violent in the push to place their false peace accords in place.
You will know them by the words that come out of their mouths.
The peace that they offer is a false peace, and the words that they say are lies.
Luke 16 might help a little:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good
news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.
In my words...until John, the old law was preached and led to violence and discontent.
The coming of the kingdom of Christ and the new way will be peace, love and harmony.
Love will fulfil all of the old way because of Jesus on the cross and forgiveness.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good
news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.
In my words...until John, the old law was preached and led to violence and discontent.
The coming of the kingdom of Christ and the new way will be peace, love and harmony.
Love will fulfil all of the old way because of Jesus on the cross and forgiveness.
It is related to Luke 16:16.
New American Standard Bible
"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
It basically means that folks were excited about John & Jesus' teaching of repentance & the Kingdom of God that they came in the hundreds & thousands to do whatever was necessary to seize it.
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
New American Standard Bible
"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
It basically means that folks were excited about John & Jesus' teaching of repentance & the Kingdom of God that they came in the hundreds & thousands to do whatever was necessary to seize it.
Matthew 5:6
New American Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
What do you think CHRIST meant regarding HIS sending prophets as HE said in Matthew 23?
and the violence which will be done to those whom HE sent to testify as HIS WITNESSES
what do you think will happen to those who do these things to those who are sent?
Didnt HE say HE would avenge the deaths of all the "prophets"?
and the violence which will be done to those whom HE sent to testify as HIS WITNESSES
what do you think will happen to those who do these things to those who are sent?
Didnt HE say HE would avenge the deaths of all the "prophets"?
No. Because in the very chapter which stonesoffire refers to, it has to do with the truth that some did not believe the prophets and they were those who killed the prophets yet said that their father's did these things. So CHRIST said after testifying of John as the greatest born of woman, (even though the least IN the kingdom is greater) that even that generation who died before CHRIST's physical coming will stand in the judgement and testify against this unbelieving generation