God's Commandment For Women Not To Speak In Church

[DustyRhodes]

What law are you burdening yourself with here?

Exactly...seems like it's a self serving law that borders on hatred...great post.

 

[DustyRhodes]

Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.

Posts such as this are bordering on hatred...far from Christian values.

 

[UnderGrace]

That is exactly the point!!

Paul is not starting a new law.

He is instructing individual churches, so important to study these books in the new testament closely because again they have been misconstrued to mean something they do not.

Excellent website by a woman in Australia who knows Greek and has studied extensively on this subject.

The meaning of authentein in 1 Timothy 2:12, with a brief history of authent– words


Best book I have read on the subject,

http://books.fether.net/index.php?theBook=NIC&theChap=14
You are All One
Debunking Hierarchy in Christianity

I don't consider Paul's teachings to be commandments. After all, it was Paul who told us we were not under the law.

 

[DustyRhodes]

I don't consider Paul's teachings to be commandments. After all, it was Paul who told us we were not under the law.

It appears to me that the types of post contradicting this are just fostering hatred.

 

[Ugly]

Dragged the bat out for this dead horse I see.

 

[Zen]

​There are many ways to discipline without spanking or beating. The scriptures actually tells us to train a child in the way he should go and the rod of correction is to be used. But we're to use wisdom as well. Part of discipline is teaching them they way that's right and good. Spanking is like a last resort when all other forms of correction aren't working.

As for the wife, you'll never find a scripture that tells the husband to beat his wife. God intended for the husband to lead by example. To love His bride as his very own body. Do you beat your own body? Obedience and submission are not the same thing by the way. We are told to submit to husbands, but we are to obey God. Let's say that a wife got pregnant and her husband told her to go abort her baby. Should she submit to that?

2 Kings 21:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;

Notice how God didn't say 'I will stop the rain from coming for 7 days' or some small punishment like that. People died. It was violent and bloody.

Sorry, but this verse doesn't apply the the husband/wife relationship.

God corrected His people, and it was horrific with blood, violence and death. His people are His bride, it's a relationship, remember the wedding supper? If He didn't correct His people He wouldn't care about us.

A couple of bruises on your thigh and bum isn't anything in the same league as watching everyone around you get killed for disobedience.

Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Correction is needed for children, sure. What about women?

The historical context is important. Biblical men were the ones who initiated divorces. Women today are the ones who initiate divorce. They come up with all kinds of reasons, sometimes they get bored and want alimony.

Matthew 5:
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

You won't find scripture which says a woman put away her husband. Any woman who is grieving her husband and is puffed up with feminism is spreading confusion. Inverting the natural order has had terrible consequences.

Both men and women need to live according to scripture, not just women.

 

[Issachar92]

Junia was an apostle (Rom 16:7). Do you doubt that an apostle had the capacity to teach?

Chloe ran a church at her house (1 Cor 1:11). Do you doubt that Chloe taught the church she ran?

Concerning abilities in the body of Christ, there is no difference between men and women, Jew or gentile, etc (Gal 3:28).

Finally! Some bible among the madness and confusion.

Romans 16:7 is actually a good argument I checked it out, its a female name it seems. I'll pray and think about this for sure. Thanks.

 

[Zen]

Because its against the law in modern societies as is stoning people to death and burning witches. Perhaps you would be happier in your local mosque.

Good post, a 69 year old man claiming to be a Christian telling another Christian they should be at a mosque because living according to scripture is hateful and illegal.

 

[DustyRhodes]

It's funny to see so many young people (who are probably not disciplined and taught respect by their fathers) jump in to mock someone who has posted common sense, facts and biblical wisdom regarding the importance of family in God's eyes.

It's funny to me because if you lived 2000 years ago when families were much better, you'd have been beaten for being disrespectful. I guess you can enjoy your online immunity to correction, though.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I'm no longer surprised by these forums. Most of you are actually atheists who believe that God's scripture is stupid.

It's difficult to beat young people when they make more sense than you posts do...you should
be grateful and absorb some of their wisdom

 

[1ofthem]

I'm not saying to go back to the old covenant, I'm pointing out how much wiser they were and how much better society was when women weren't puffed up and disrespectful and answering back without fear and how God has stated dozens of times the need of widows and the fatherless to be taken care of in a loving family.

Lord Jesus didn't go around beating people up, that's true. But He did talk about stoning to death;

Matthew 15:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Children being killed? Are you going to accuse God of being abusive, cruel or sexist?

Ephesians 5:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Women who don't submit and aren't biblical need correction, otherwise they are spreading confusion and partaking in the world against godly authority.

Please note, I have never promoted abuse. I am not condoning abusive relationships. I do not condone senseless violence.



I know, abuse isn't.



I posted 4 passages of scripture, and spoke against hypocrisy. It's foolishness to speak emotionally without thinking.

I am not a feminist. I think they take some of that stuff a little too far. And yeah, I'll agree a wife should submit to the husband if he is a man of God. A husband and wife becomes as one flesh, so if they both have their intent on serving God and pleasing God then there should be no problems.

Now as far as hitting goes, that is not of God....

And as far as things being much better back in the day...I guess that's just a matter of opinion...Many women had no choice but to stay with an abusive husband because they could not work to support themselves and their children. So they just had to take the abuse no matter what their husbands were doing...and yeah, divorce rates were much lower then, but do you really think God wanted women to be subject to abuse and/or just follow along with whatever her husband said whether it was biblical or not...

 

[Zen]

It's difficult to beat young people when they make more sense than you posts do...you should
be grateful and absorb some of their wisdom

Wow, a 71 year old man saying that I should learn wisdom from a disrepectful young guy who tries to bait people in to arguments like in a playground and who does not use any etiquette or grammar.

shud i
just


tyhp

like dis

i be smrart

then

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Finally! Some bible among the madness and confusion.

Romans 16:7 is actually a good argument I checked it out, its a female name it seems. I'll pray and think about this for sure. Thanks.

There is also Deborah, who was a prophet and judge of Israel. (Chosen by God)

 

[DustyRhodes]

Is beating a child OK?

Only if it's you!

 

[notmyown]

Dragged the bat out for this dead horse I see.

no, Ugly. for the women!

 

[Zen]

I am not a feminist. I think they take some of that stuff a little too far. And yeah, I'll agree a wife should submit to the husband if he is a man of God. A husband and wife becomes as one flesh, so if they both have their intent on serving God and pleasing God then there should be no problems.
I agree.

Now as far as hitting goes, that is not of God....

And as far as things being much better back in the day...I guess that's just a matter of opinion...Many women had no choice but to stay with an abusive husband because they could not work to support themselves and their children. So they just had to take the abuse no matter what their husbands were doing...and yeah, divorce rates were much lower then, but do you really think God wanted women to be subject to abuse and/or just follow along with whatever her husband said whether it was biblical or not...

Stoning to death came from God, the lake of fire comes from God. Punishments come from God, as harsh as they may seem.

The family subsection of these forums are full of people praying regarding their partners. God does miracles and can change people. It seems like you're advocating people divorcing or leaving their partners for being abusive instead of asking God to change their heart. You're also implying that women are the victims of abuse, when it happens to men who let women walk all over them too.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Wow, a 71 year old man saying that I should learn wisdom from a disrepectful young guy who tries to bait people in to arguments like in a playground and who does not use any etiquette or grammar.

shud i
just


tyhp

like dis

i be smrart

then

awwww cmon man...

i said sorry, and my grammar may be awful

but my spelling is on point
^_^

 

[Dino246]

Sadly I'm not surprised at the amount of confusion, poor exegesis, and downright rot in this thread.

It's interesting how on so many issues, bible readers will carefully take all the verses on a subject and weigh them together. On the issue of women in the church, they will take two or three verses without context and conclude that they have the corner on truth.

A question to the OP (and all males who agree with him): do you lift up holy hands when praying... every time you pray, in every place? If not, then your position on the role of women in the church is hypocritical. Attend to the log in your own eye(s).

 

[Zen]

Sadly I'm not surprised at the amount of confusion, poor exegesis, and downright rot in this thread.

It's interesting how on so many issues, bible readers will carefully take all the verses on a subject and weigh them together. On the issue of women in the church, they will take two or three verses without context and conclude that they have the corner on truth.

A question to the OP (and all males who agree with him): do you lift up holy hands when praying... every time you pray, in every place? If not, then your position on the role of women in the church is hypocritical. Attend to the log in your own eye(s).

Could you please edit your post to include scripture? This is a biblical forum not somewhere intended to come to cut down Christians.

 

[1ofthem]

Stoning to death came from God, the lake of fire comes from God. Punishments come from God, as harsh as they may seem.

The family subsection of these forums are full of people praying regarding their partners. God does miracles and can change people. It seems like you're advocating people divorcing or leaving their partners for being abusive instead of asking God to change their heart. You're also implying that women are the victims of abuse, when it happens to men who let women walk all over them too.

I'm not advocating divorce...but I do think that sometimes it's called for. Also I am not saying that it's only men who are abusive and doing wrong in relationships. It's a two way street. So abuse, infidelity, etc. is not acceptable with God from either husband or wife...just saying.

 

[sevenseas]

Much of what Zen says is true. The husband is the head of the wife. But we are all in submission to someone. The employee to their employer. The citizen to the rulers of authority. The Christian to God. The Christian is to submit themselves to one another in brotherly love.

not to offend you Desertrose, but NONE of what is said by someone who writes as does the mentioned poster ring true

isn't that just how people become deceived? lies and deception mixed together and wrapped up in truth?

the spirit of the post is not of God

God does not hand out truth stuffed with lies

so while I understand what you are saying, I find nothing good in those posts whatsoever