You don't have to worry about that. These people take a verse, maybe two and build an entire doctrine on it. Most times the verse is totally out of context too. They are simply wrong in their belief. We all know female preachers and prophets whom God blesses on a regular basis. Can God bless one who is out of His Will? I think not...There are too many precedents for the opposite. These people who cry for women to be quiet in church and no preaching, no authority over men are deceived. And most are carrying on a tradition of that mistake by not even studying it for themselves but simply picking it up and running with it.
God's Commandment For Women Not To Speak In Church
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No. That is not what I am reading him saying the first time.
Originally Posted by Zen
Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
He did not say that men are to beat horrible women per se. He said because of how horrible women are, he find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more....
But I can see how you took it that way with "any more" attached to it as if he can cite a source that proves men have been beating sense into horrible women.... which I believe was not what he was trying to say, let alone endorse.
Sense his second post explains his personal position exactly rather than making a reference to how men are not beating sense into horrible women for how horrible women would have to be in provoking such a response, I would give grace to his previous statement since not every one of us is always clear in what we mean when we post.
Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
But I can see how you took it that way with "any more" attached to it as if he can cite a source that proves men have been beating sense into horrible women.... which I believe was not what he was trying to say, let alone endorse.
Sense his second post explains his personal position exactly rather than making a reference to how men are not beating sense into horrible women for how horrible women would have to be in provoking such a response, I would give grace to his previous statement since not every one of us is always clear in what we mean when we post.
Signs of the times, brother.
All the more we need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us post in meekness and patience towards those who oppose themselves as we seek to edify and correct in Christ's love, relying on Him to minister and cause the increase. Pray for the brethren. Pray for ourselves. We all need prayers in these latter days where faith is hard to find.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.....[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
All the more we need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us post in meekness and patience towards those who oppose themselves as we seek to edify and correct in Christ's love, relying on Him to minister and cause the increase. Pray for the brethren. Pray for ourselves. We all need prayers in these latter days where faith is hard to find.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.....[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
if God said that he would pour out his spirit on all men and that their sons and daughters would prophesy. Then that is a settled promise from God. Paul talked mostley of married women in a household. god the head .man is his covering. Womans covering is the man. No man wants to be an infidel in his own household.
I did not say that because I did not like the verse . . . those two verses inserted here make no sense and they contradict what God has said elsewhere in scripture conderning women who were prophets and prophesied . . . Now all of a sudden women can't use the gift of holy spirit that God gave them but only men can??????
And, yes, there are errors - punctuation errors, capitalization errors, chapter break errors, verse numbering errors, etc. The original Greek manuscripts were perfect but we need to remember that man were the "scribbers". Men make mistakes . . . just as we sometimes make mistakes copying something - it can be done and it was done. "Scribbers" worked day and night - same thing over and over - looking at text for long periods of time per day. Sometimes the text would be read to them and they would have to copy. So yes, mistakes were made but not many - The integrity of God's word still stands. But these two sentences v34,35 are a blatant contradiction of what has been said in other scripture - so it would do good to study before building a doctrine on two sentences.
And, yes, there are errors - punctuation errors, capitalization errors, chapter break errors, verse numbering errors, etc. The original Greek manuscripts were perfect but we need to remember that man were the "scribbers". Men make mistakes . . . just as we sometimes make mistakes copying something - it can be done and it was done. "Scribbers" worked day and night - same thing over and over - looking at text for long periods of time per day. Sometimes the text would be read to them and they would have to copy. So yes, mistakes were made but not many - The integrity of God's word still stands. But these two sentences v34,35 are a blatant contradiction of what has been said in other scripture - so it would do good to study before building a doctrine on two sentences.
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Yes, husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the church.
But that love has to be "tough" sometimes.
But that love has to be "tough" sometimes.
and will God slap you upside the head when your tough insults His creation?
such ignorance!
after all, if it is good for a man to hit his woman in the name of tough love, then it is even better for God to smite the dude when He wants to make an impression and drive a lesson home.
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he does not want a real woman
he wants something he can overlook when he wants to and use when it suits him
this is not love, not God and not biblical
this is hatred trying to hide behind the word of God and more common then some would like to admit
this is the devil distorting what God made for good
this is real, is in the church and is devilish in origin
he wants something he can overlook when he wants to and use when it suits him
this is not love, not God and not biblical
this is hatred trying to hide behind the word of God and more common then some would like to admit
this is the devil distorting what God made for good
this is real, is in the church and is devilish in origin
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beating occurs when the will of the controller is either crossed or not bowed down to
physical force occurs when the enforcer is able to beat down the other
women have been killed by men with this problem
spare the rod and spoil the child does not mean to hit and beat them. it means to give correction when needed.
there are many ways to correct a child but force is not correction. it is the will of a controller who demands what he and sometimes even she, cannot gain the normal way...ie through respect by demonstrating what is right
God does not force people. People who force are not acting from the Holy Spirit, no matter how much scripture they quote
the devil knows scripture better than many Christians but he hates every single word
physical force occurs when the enforcer is able to beat down the other
women have been killed by men with this problem
spare the rod and spoil the child does not mean to hit and beat them. it means to give correction when needed.
there are many ways to correct a child but force is not correction. it is the will of a controller who demands what he and sometimes even she, cannot gain the normal way...ie through respect by demonstrating what is right
God does not force people. People who force are not acting from the Holy Spirit, no matter how much scripture they quote
the devil knows scripture better than many Christians but he hates every single word
Everything has to be done according to the will of God.
God is the head of Christ,Christ is the head of man,man is the head of woman,and the angels are last in the authority structure of God.
But this does not work for the world,for they will not act accordingly to the will of God,men acting out of arrogance,and controlling,where they should not act that way,according to the man's agenda,and the woman wanting control.
But everything is according to the will of God,and Christ who is the greatest of all became servant of all,and the man is the sevant of the woman,and is to lead according to the will of God,and not his own agenda,and if he does that then it would be the same as if the woman were listening to God,and the man has nowhere to glory,like Christ said He came to do the will of God,and not give glory to Himself.
God has to have an authority structure on earth so the man,and the woman,the adults,do not fight over who is going to lead,so things run smooth,like businesses,military,etc.,do the same,which angels are last in the authority structure for the saints will have a higher position in heaven than that of the saints.
America is having a big crisis concerning men,and women,fighting,and the children suffer,and men in the world act out of arrogance which should not be,wanting control,and power,but that is not the will of God.
Women can preach,teach,give Bible studies,everything that a man can do,but when in the setting of the saints gathered together to worship God,and hear the word of God,the man should take the lead,and as far as women being silent,they can still talk,but when the word is being preached they should be quiet,which is why the Bible says if they have anything to ask concerning what is being preached,ask at home,and do not disrupt the service,but then nobody regardless of gender should disrupt the service.
Because if they are there and worship is also being done,shall the women keep quiet,and not sing to God,and worship Him,can she not give testimonies,that would be no,so a woman can contribute,but do not disrupt the service as the word is being preached,but this is in the main part of the service.
But the Bible says when the saints come together,everyone has something to offer,which then everyone can pitch in regardless of gender,for that is not disrupting the service,for this after the main part of the service,and God poured out His Spirit upon all flesh,and the daughters,and handmaidens shall prophesy,and shall not the women prophesy in Church,as the Bible says let the prophets speak in order in the Church.
A man should take the lead in the Church service,and all should be quiet,and when he has said what he will say,then the saints all have something to pitch in so collectively they get more blessed,learn more,be uplifted more,than if one person were to lead the whole Church by himself.
In the Lord a man and a woman are equal,for when they put off the flesh,and the spirit goes back to God,and they have a glorified body,there is no gender between them,which is why Jesus said they do not marry in Church,but they are on the same level in the spiritual,which there is no authority structure there between the man,and the woman.
God has to have an authority structure on earth.
In the Church the man should take the lead,but when he has said what he will say,then all saints can pitch in,and collectively can benefit better than if it is only one man leading the service,for the woman can praise God in Church,as well the woman had the right in the Old Testament when they came together,and she can give testimonies,and prophesy for not only will the men tell prophesy,but the women also will tell prophesy,as said the Lord.
I believe it only means when the man is taking the lead doing what he will do,at that time do not disrupt,but we do know that women can praise God,and sing to God,in Church,for that would not even make sense if they could not,so they can speak in Church.
What if they smack their knee on something in the Church,and say ouch that smarts,shall she be escorted out of the Church for speaking,I think not,lol.
In the home the man is the head of the woman in the sense that God gave him the responsibility to lead the house hold in the ways of God,not that he is greater,but responsibility,and the woman is a help mate,and can have input,for who knows if she has to correct the husband if he does not act right according to God,for her first duty is to God,and being a saint,before being a wife,but she must do it according to the will of God,so it does not end up a terrible situation.
As far as not concerning the household,or the Church where the man takes the lead,I would not say that the man is the head of the woman,for in the Lord a man,and a woman,are equal,and all different situations,other than marriage,and the man leading the Church,they should be equal,for if a man,and a woman,seen each other at the grocery store,and said hi to each other,I would not say that the man would be the head of the woman,for in that situation,in the Lord the man,and the woman,are equal.
At home the man has responsibility,not greater than the woman,other than the responsibility.
In Church the man that leads the Church has responsibility,not greater than the woman,other than the responsibility.
There should be one overall leader of the Church,and that should be a man,but the women can speak in Church,but when the man that leads the setting of the saints together is talking the stand,do not disrupt until he says what is will say,and do what he will do,and then the saints can all sing together,worship together,prophesy together,and all have something to add to benefit the Church better than if the leader of the Church did it all himself.
God is the head of Christ,Christ is the head of man,man is the head of woman,and the angels are last in the authority structure of God.
But this does not work for the world,for they will not act accordingly to the will of God,men acting out of arrogance,and controlling,where they should not act that way,according to the man's agenda,and the woman wanting control.
But everything is according to the will of God,and Christ who is the greatest of all became servant of all,and the man is the sevant of the woman,and is to lead according to the will of God,and not his own agenda,and if he does that then it would be the same as if the woman were listening to God,and the man has nowhere to glory,like Christ said He came to do the will of God,and not give glory to Himself.
God has to have an authority structure on earth so the man,and the woman,the adults,do not fight over who is going to lead,so things run smooth,like businesses,military,etc.,do the same,which angels are last in the authority structure for the saints will have a higher position in heaven than that of the saints.
America is having a big crisis concerning men,and women,fighting,and the children suffer,and men in the world act out of arrogance which should not be,wanting control,and power,but that is not the will of God.
Women can preach,teach,give Bible studies,everything that a man can do,but when in the setting of the saints gathered together to worship God,and hear the word of God,the man should take the lead,and as far as women being silent,they can still talk,but when the word is being preached they should be quiet,which is why the Bible says if they have anything to ask concerning what is being preached,ask at home,and do not disrupt the service,but then nobody regardless of gender should disrupt the service.
Because if they are there and worship is also being done,shall the women keep quiet,and not sing to God,and worship Him,can she not give testimonies,that would be no,so a woman can contribute,but do not disrupt the service as the word is being preached,but this is in the main part of the service.
But the Bible says when the saints come together,everyone has something to offer,which then everyone can pitch in regardless of gender,for that is not disrupting the service,for this after the main part of the service,and God poured out His Spirit upon all flesh,and the daughters,and handmaidens shall prophesy,and shall not the women prophesy in Church,as the Bible says let the prophets speak in order in the Church.
A man should take the lead in the Church service,and all should be quiet,and when he has said what he will say,then the saints all have something to pitch in so collectively they get more blessed,learn more,be uplifted more,than if one person were to lead the whole Church by himself.
In the Lord a man and a woman are equal,for when they put off the flesh,and the spirit goes back to God,and they have a glorified body,there is no gender between them,which is why Jesus said they do not marry in Church,but they are on the same level in the spiritual,which there is no authority structure there between the man,and the woman.
God has to have an authority structure on earth.
In the Church the man should take the lead,but when he has said what he will say,then all saints can pitch in,and collectively can benefit better than if it is only one man leading the service,for the woman can praise God in Church,as well the woman had the right in the Old Testament when they came together,and she can give testimonies,and prophesy for not only will the men tell prophesy,but the women also will tell prophesy,as said the Lord.
I believe it only means when the man is taking the lead doing what he will do,at that time do not disrupt,but we do know that women can praise God,and sing to God,in Church,for that would not even make sense if they could not,so they can speak in Church.
What if they smack their knee on something in the Church,and say ouch that smarts,shall she be escorted out of the Church for speaking,I think not,lol.
In the home the man is the head of the woman in the sense that God gave him the responsibility to lead the house hold in the ways of God,not that he is greater,but responsibility,and the woman is a help mate,and can have input,for who knows if she has to correct the husband if he does not act right according to God,for her first duty is to God,and being a saint,before being a wife,but she must do it according to the will of God,so it does not end up a terrible situation.
As far as not concerning the household,or the Church where the man takes the lead,I would not say that the man is the head of the woman,for in the Lord a man,and a woman,are equal,and all different situations,other than marriage,and the man leading the Church,they should be equal,for if a man,and a woman,seen each other at the grocery store,and said hi to each other,I would not say that the man would be the head of the woman,for in that situation,in the Lord the man,and the woman,are equal.
At home the man has responsibility,not greater than the woman,other than the responsibility.
In Church the man that leads the Church has responsibility,not greater than the woman,other than the responsibility.
There should be one overall leader of the Church,and that should be a man,but the women can speak in Church,but when the man that leads the setting of the saints together is talking the stand,do not disrupt until he says what is will say,and do what he will do,and then the saints can all sing together,worship together,prophesy together,and all have something to add to benefit the Church better than if the leader of the Church did it all himself.
