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This all sounds fine except the last line
"they feel unworthy because of religious spirits in the church today"
This is absurd. We all feel unworthy before God because we are sinners saved by grace.
It is a normal state. So I suspect you are on the borderline of the grace movement, with
some very dodgy ideas about why people feel particular ways and an ability to condemn
people a bit too quickly.
"they feel unworthy because of religious spirits in the church today"
This is absurd. We all feel unworthy before God because we are sinners saved by grace.
It is a normal state. So I suspect you are on the borderline of the grace movement, with
some very dodgy ideas about why people feel particular ways and an ability to condemn
people a bit too quickly.
Hi there EG! I thought you had me on ignore!
Is G777 your god? You worship him now?
I said what G777 said wasn't true not God.
But, that's just like you, making malicious accusations, falsely accusing, & downright lying.
Originally Posted by Grace777x70
Walking by the spirit will always stop the lusts of the flesh that want to do "it's" desires.
It didn't stop Paul.....
Romans 7:14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Is G777 your god? You worship him now?
I said what G777 said wasn't true not God.
But, that's just like you, making malicious accusations, falsely accusing, & downright lying.
Walking by the spirit will always stop the lusts of the flesh that want to do "it's" desires.
Romans 7:14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
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the problem with a lot of the evangelical church is they give the gospel, and bring people to Christ, but forget the discipleship part.
One of billy grahams largest regrets was that so many people came to God through him, but were then left without any proper training on what it meant to be a Christian, and how to grow.
One of billy grahams largest regrets was that so many people came to God through him, but were then left without any proper training on what it meant to be a Christian, and how to grow.
E
You keep digging yourself into a deeper whole my friend.
Paul said if we walk in the spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Now either paul is a liar, or you are.
Of course paul still struggled, He struggled when he did not walk in the spirit. He struggled when he thought of self. He struggled when he was not c=focused on the things of God and serving others.
We all do.
But paul gave us the way out, Walk in the spirit, and you will not fulfill the things of the flesh.
You can continue to deny it, but in doing so, you expose who you really are. and continue to call God a liar,
Paul said if we walk in the spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Now either paul is a liar, or you are.
Of course paul still struggled, He struggled when he did not walk in the spirit. He struggled when he thought of self. He struggled when he was not c=focused on the things of God and serving others.
We all do.
But paul gave us the way out, Walk in the spirit, and you will not fulfill the things of the flesh.
You can continue to deny it, but in doing so, you expose who you really are. and continue to call God a liar,
The free gift is also righteousness....
Romans 5.17-
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Righteousness was transferred to us as well:
2 Cor 5.21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Repentance is a process not a 1 and you are done and you are right all the time....
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
DOES no mean we won't still have the internal struggle.........but that we can overcome it.....
Let me put this type of response into context.
Something that shines a light on the hypocracy and falseness of a position is dimissed
as an extreme.
The joke is every sin is the same as any other, dooms you to hell. So taking murder
clarifies how deadly, DEADLY sin is, and how you must not treat it lightly.
Every word your faith relies on, relies on the speaker is tellling the truth. Your whole
religion is founded on the honour of God and His testimony. Word matter, they are
literally everything. Now a lost sinner will say to themselves, oh this small lie
does not matter, Ananias and Sapphira got a bit of a shock when it cost them
their lives......
Something that shines a light on the hypocracy and falseness of a position is dimissed
as an extreme.
The joke is every sin is the same as any other, dooms you to hell. So taking murder
clarifies how deadly, DEADLY sin is, and how you must not treat it lightly.
Every word your faith relies on, relies on the speaker is tellling the truth. Your whole
religion is founded on the honour of God and His testimony. Word matter, they are
literally everything. Now a lost sinner will say to themselves, oh this small lie
does not matter, Ananias and Sapphira got a bit of a shock when it cost them
their lives......
Ok, I can see your context here for saying this, but how does this comment line up with John 13.5-11
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then He *poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. [SUP]6 [/SUP]So He *came to Simon Peter. He *said to Him, “Lord, do You wash my feet?” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to him, “What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]Peter *said to Him, “Never shall You wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]Simon Peter *said to Him, “Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus *said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, “Not all of you are clean.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then He *poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. [SUP]6 [/SUP]So He *came to Simon Peter. He *said to Him, “Lord, do You wash my feet?” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to him, “What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]Peter *said to Him, “Never shall You wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]Simon Peter *said to Him, “Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus *said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, “Not all of you are clean.”
Another load of junk.
Let me summarise the illustration for you.
You live a life of doing good one day and failing the next. ( not called sinning? )
Jesus makes you appear perfect a straight line.
But so what! It is just a coverup of the bad life style and not resolving issues.
Somehow because of the coverup, sin is resolved, when it is not, and emotional
issues are still left unresolved and unmet.
Churches built on this foundation will rot from the centre out.
One pastor described his church as the highest turnover of members in the area.
I would say, if you want to know where love and faithfulness are preached and lived,
go to a church where people are consistent and stick with those they know and love.
Let me summarise the illustration for you.
You live a life of doing good one day and failing the next. ( not called sinning? )
Jesus makes you appear perfect a straight line.
But so what! It is just a coverup of the bad life style and not resolving issues.
Somehow because of the coverup, sin is resolved, when it is not, and emotional
issues are still left unresolved and unmet.
Churches built on this foundation will rot from the centre out.
One pastor described his church as the highest turnover of members in the area.
I would say, if you want to know where love and faithfulness are preached and lived,
go to a church where people are consistent and stick with those they know and love.