The Olivet Discourse

[miknik5]

Daniel 9:27 KJV
And he (Christ) shall confirm the covenant (Abrahamic) with many (Children of Abraham) for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Christ) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he (Christ) shall make it desolate ("Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."), even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is all things Christ did aren't they?

You have made HIM no different than the "violent men of the covenant"...

If THE MESSIAH is detained 21 days, and no one helps HIM but Michael the TRUE PRINCE of DANIEL's people, who do Daniel's people need to be protected from.

and where is THE MESSIAH?

You should refer to 2 thesselonians 2 to understand that in order for the "prince of the people to come" to be revealed HE who holds all things back has to be taken out of the way.

Hence, HE is detained 21 days and no one helped HIM but MICHAEL, the warring angel (which is also clearly stated in Daniel 10)

 

[J7]

No
Read it again.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Its academic Miknik. Even were it unfulfilled, it would be a clear violation of the prophecy to attempt to unravel any part of it prior to its fulfilment.

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Seventy weeks are decreed ...........to seal both vision and prophet,"
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Anyone who tells you there is a future 70th week, and they know what it entails, is therefore what?


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[miknik5]

Its academic Miknik. Even were it unfulfilled, it would be a clear violation of the prophecy to attempt to unravel any part of it prior to its fulfilment.

“Seventy weeks are decreed ...........to seal both vision and prophet,"

Anyone who tells you there is a future 70th week, and they know what it entails, is therefore what?

and you know that's not true for while THE MAN in LINEN gave Daniel the meaning of the vision, Daniel was told to seal it up TIL THE TIME of the end.

Even John was revealed something but told not to write it down for it was for the TIME of the end.

 

[miknik5]

Please read Daniel 12 and explain what is being said to Daniel with regards to wisdom and knowledge increasing?

Do you think it is going to remain sealed up?

In the time of the end, it won't be and many will prophecy

 

[KJV1611]

You have made HIM no different than the "violent men of the covenant"...

If THE MESSIAH is detained 21 days, and no one helps HIM but Michael the TRUE PRINCE of DANIEL's people, who do Daniel's people need to be protected from.

and where is THE MESSIAH?

You should refer to 2 thesselonians 2 to understand that in order for the "prince of the people to come" to be revealed HE who holds all things back has to be taken out of the way.

Hence, HE is detained 21 days and no one helped HIM but MICHAEL, the warring angel (which is also clearly stated in Daniel 10)

Are trying to say that Jesus didn't cause Jerusalem to become desolate? I don't see your point.

 

[miknik5]

Are trying to say that Jesus didn't cause Jerusalem to become desolate? I don't see your point.

Their desolate because they didn't recognize THEIR SAVIOR.
JESUS didn't come to provide temporal treasures.
They didn't recognize HIM.
Their eyes are on things that are temporal and fleeting.

They are blind.
One day HE will reopen their eyes.

The temple was torn down because it isn't needed.
They don't understand that ...they are in mourning but for the wrong things.

 

[J7]

and you know that's not true for while THE MAN in LINEN gave Daniel the meaning of the vision, Daniel was told to seal it up TIL THE TIME of the end.

Even John was revealed something but told not to write it down for it was for the TIME of the end.

Yes, but he is not talking about that End. He is referring to something else.

Daniel was told to encode the prophecy and not divulge the meaning of it.

That is not the issue. The issue is that it was under wraps until it had been fulfilled.

So anyone who says the 70th week is a future event, and such and such will happen in it, is an out and out liar. I cannot make it any plainer.

 

[miknik5]

Daniel 12

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[slave]

"I will raise up from among them a Prophet, an Israeli like you Moses. I will tell him what to say, and he shall be my spokesman to the people." (Deuteronomy 18:18 ).

The Jewish people recognized Jesus as the Prophet which was to come.

" When the people realized what a great miracle had happened (feeding 5,000), they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" (John 6:14 ).

"The entire city of Jerusalem was stirred as he entered. Who is this? they asked. And the crowds replied, It’s Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth up in Galilee." (Matthew 21:10,11 ).

"What things? Jesus asked. 'The things that happened to Jesus, the Man from Nazareth,' they said. 'He was a Prophet who did incredible miracles and was a mighty Teacher,' highly regarded by both God and man."
(Luke 24:19 ).

 

[miknik5]

Yes, but he is not talking about that End. He is referring to something else.

Daniel was told to encode the prophecy and not divulge the meaning of it.

That is not the issue. The issue is that it was under wraps until it had been fulfilled.

So anyone who says the 70th week is a future event, and such and such will happen in it, is an out and out liar. I cannot make it any plainer.

HE is talking about the end.
Daniel has not yet been raised up to receive his lot.


Reread Daniel and you will see that there is a 7 week/year portion separate from the 69 week/year which we are given more detailed information into...

I just posted it and highlighted it

 

[miknik5]

"I will raise up from among them a Prophet, an Israeli like you Moses. I will tell him what to say, and he shall be my spokesman to the people." (Deuteronomy 18:18 ).

The Jewish people recognized Jesus as the Prophet which was to come.

" When the people realized what a great miracle had happened (feeding 5,000), they exclaimed, "Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!" (John 6:14 ).
"The entire city of Jerusalem was stirred as he entered. Who is this? they asked. And the crowds replied, It’s Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth up in Galilee." (Matthew 21:10,11 ).

"What things? Jesus asked. 'The things that happened to Jesus, the Man from Nazareth,' they said. 'He was a Prophet who did incredible miracles and was a mighty Teacher,' highly regarded by both God and man."
(Luke 24:19 ).

Not all.
And not all who say they are of Israel are of ISRAEL.

They are physical "israel" and do not yet recognize THE SPIRITUAL ISRAEL OF GOD, who is HIS SON...
When they do, they will look upon HIM whom they have pierced and mourn for an ONLY SON...

Then they will see and understand...

 

[KJV1611]

HE is talking about the end.
Daniel has not yet been raised up to receive his lot.


Reread Daniel and you will see that there is a 7 week/year portion separate from the 69 week/year which we are given more detailed information into...

I just posted it and highlighted it

Daniel was raised at the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[miknik5]

Daniel was raised at the resurrection of Jesus.

His soul was
But his body still remains in the earth asleep.
When his spirit rejoins his glorified body, then he will be raised up.

 

[miknik5]

How long oh sovereign lord until you avenge our deaths?

Souls under the altar.
There are none in Heaven with glorified bodies, sir.

 

[miknik5]

Thats also why the men of ninevah will stand in the judgment and will fare better than this generation.
When HE descended and preached to those held in captivity, do you think any of those souls hesitated in believing THE GOOD NEWS?

I'm pretty sure HE emptied that prison in that ONE TIME event.

 

[J7]

Please read Daniel 12 and explain what is being said to Daniel with regards to wisdom and knowledge increasing?

Do you think it is going to remain sealed up?

In the time of the end, it won't be and many will prophecy

[h=1]1 Corinthians 1[/h][FONT=&quot]1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
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[FONT=&quot]6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

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[FONT=&quot]12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;[/FONT]
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[miknik5]

Daniel10:

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

That's not THE MESSIAH's WORK...

 

[J7]

It is actually close to being a form of blasphemy to try and put the 70th week into the future. It is in effect calling Jesus and the Holy Spirit a liar.

I have explained to you why it cannot be understood if it is a future event, but if you want to ignore me, on your head Miknik.


It is a contravention of Scripture, 'the Scripture cannot be broken', which you really need to take seriously, I am sorry to have to tell you that.

 

[miknik5]

1 Corinthians 1

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

.......
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

It's why we are supposed to keep our eyes on HIM by FAITH in HIM and not concern ourselves with the other things that will happen because HE is SOVEREIGN and HE is FAITHFUL and STEADFAST and TRUE and HIS PROMISES to us are SURE...

It's just that we want to talk and talk and talk.

What does it add to us?
if we go out from THE REFUGE, it won't matter how much knowledge and wisdom we have.
We have forgotten THE BETTER PART and that alone shows how very ignorant we really are

 

[miknik5]

It is actually a form of blasphemy to try and put the 70th week into the future. It is in effect calling Jesus and the Holy Spirit a liar.

I have explained to you why it cannot be understood if it is a future event, but if you want to ignore me, on your head Miknik.


It is a contravention of Scripture, 'the Scripture cannot be broken', which you really need to take seriously, I am sorry to have to tell you that.

Seven weeks are not the full seventy weeks.
Please don't alter what I have said.

There is a period of Seven weeks left for Jerusalem...
That has not yet happened.
And that is what Daniel 10 very clearly reflects.