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Where does it say that they are? Even, where did I say that they are? But, and you cannot argue this, it says only that the first bowl is poured out on those who take the mark.
Wrath is wrath. One is judgmental, and one is emotional. Both are wrath.
I am and continue to be offended that you say that I am making my Lord to be a liar. I have not stated a doctrine. Go back and look and see if I have.
You are way off base.
Wrath is wrath. One is judgmental, and one is emotional. Both are wrath.
I am and continue to be offended that you say that I am making my Lord to be a liar. I have not stated a doctrine. Go back and look and see if I have.
You are way off base.
A
honestly pre-trib rapture is a symptom of a bigger problem. Not only does scripture not lay out a rapture. good work on matthew 24:40. Those taken away are compared to those taken away by the flood in noah's day, aka not faithful followers. Honestly pre-trib rapture is only widely accepted in the usa. The reason why is because as americans we love our comfort. So, the idea of having to endure something uncomfortable messes with our idea of God. But, the gospel message is centered on suffering. It is the cross that we are called to carry. The Christian life is not supposed to be easy, comfortable, or wealthy. This same comfort theology of God is what leads to the health and wealth gospel which is also limited to the united states. Now, is the rapture a salvation issue? No. But, the comfort theology and americanism does not fit well with the gospel message. If we let our culture decide what the Bible says and means we can end up way off track. And that can effect salvation. Brothers, endure the cross.
I have stated before, and I will state it again;
pretrib, post trib, mid trib; none of them are important. Some believe that one protects against deception, but we know that the only proof against deception is the Holy Spirit. Others will say that another position helps us know that God loves us, but the only experience of God's love is by the Holy Spirit. Others confuse the Life with the Resurrection. Jesus is both, and they are not the same.
I agree that the gospel in America is perverted, almost useless, ready to be thrown out. Some of the things you mention are reasons for this. But the main reason for this degeneration of the truth is that the Holy Spirit is not embraced as God in us, the Spirit of Truth. As long as we deny Him His place in our church, and in our lives, we will be deceived.
pretrib, post trib, mid trib; none of them are important. Some believe that one protects against deception, but we know that the only proof against deception is the Holy Spirit. Others will say that another position helps us know that God loves us, but the only experience of God's love is by the Holy Spirit. Others confuse the Life with the Resurrection. Jesus is both, and they are not the same.
I agree that the gospel in America is perverted, almost useless, ready to be thrown out. Some of the things you mention are reasons for this. But the main reason for this degeneration of the truth is that the Holy Spirit is not embraced as God in us, the Spirit of Truth. As long as we deny Him His place in our church, and in our lives, we will be deceived.
W
If I gave you a key to your house, and it opened it, would you tell me that, that was the wrong key.
By seeing all these keys,and not opening Revelations, you are telling me ,Yes and Christ ,that you are indeed blind to opening ,and doing Christ and yourself a disservice.
We have the interpretation, staying in Revelation.
see you in the net.
walt2000
By seeing all these keys,and not opening Revelations, you are telling me ,Yes and Christ ,that you are indeed blind to opening ,and doing Christ and yourself a disservice.
We have the interpretation, staying in Revelation.
see you in the net.
walt2000
If the Holy Spirit did not reveal it to you, by His power, then it is not truth. That is what Jesus teaches and what He said. Disservice has nothing to do with it, either to Christ or myself.
I studied scripture about the end times for above 10 years, and when God revealed Himself to me, I forgot all of it in the glory of His presence.
I studied scripture about the end times for above 10 years, and when God revealed Himself to me, I forgot all of it in the glory of His presence.
W
If the Holy Spirit did not reveal it to me, by His power, then it is not truth?That is what Jesus teaches and what He said. Disservice ,has nothing to do with it, either to Christ or myself?
are you so sure the holy spirit did not reveal it to me ?why don't you prove that the consecutive flow of Christ words to John has no structure .As put forth in my Chart .walt2000
are you so sure the holy spirit did not reveal it to me ?why don't you prove that the consecutive flow of Christ words to John has no structure .As put forth in my Chart .walt2000
W
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Tell me where I am in err?walt2000
Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similarity's between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
GET MY CHART AND LOOK.
7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)
The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.
7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.
4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.
5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth
even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .
And that is just ten item's,there are gemartria connections yet to them all ..
Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
The Number 7
The number 7 perhaps speaks of perfection or completeness. God's complete provision in His dealings with men.
Some examples:
7 days make a complete week
7 colors make a perfect spectrum
7 great land masses form a complete earth
7 notes make a perfect scale
7 great bodies of water form a complete ocean
There were the 7 days of creation as well as many other examples throughout the Scriptures:
Zech 3:9 For behold, the stone that I have laid before Joshua: upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' says the LORD of hosts, `And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Rev 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
To the Jew every 7th day was a Sabbath.
Every 7th year was a Sabbatical year.
After the 7th Sabbatical year was the year of Jubilee.
Every 7th month was holy and had 3 feasts.
There were 7 weeks between Passover and Pentecost.
The Passover feast lasted 7 days.
The feast of Tabernacles lasted 7 days.
At Passover 14 lambs (7 twice) were offered daily.
At Tabernacles 14 lambs (7 twice) and 70 bullocks were offered.
At Pentecost 7 lambs were offered.
The time of mourning the dead was fixed to 7 days.
and so on...
Seven continues to have symbolic prominence in the New Testament, with Jesus telling Peter that it is not enough that he forgive the brother who had sinned against him seven times, but "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). Seven is also the number of Greek-speaking Christians appointed by the Twelve Apostles in Acts 6:3.
The New Testament concludes in a "great surge of sevens, with hep tads, explicit and implicit, tumbling forth from many verses."
In the Book of Revelation there were:
The 7 letters to the 7 Churches.
The 7 Seal Judgments
The 7 Trumpet Judgments
The 7 Bowl Judgments
The 7 Golden Lamp stands
The 7 Stars
The 7 Angels
The 7 Spirits of God
The Lamb with 7 Horns and 7 Eyes.
The 7 Lamps of Fire
The 7 Thunders
The Fiery Red Dragon with 7 heads and 7 Crowns.
The Leopard-Like Beast with 7 heads.
The Scarlet-Colored Beast with 7 heads.
The 7 Mountains The 7 Kings
interrupt. Revelations.
Tell me where I am in err?walt2000
Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similarity's between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
GET MY CHART AND LOOK.
7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)
The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.
7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.
4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.
5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth
even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .
And that is just ten item's,there are gemartria connections yet to them all ..
Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
The Number 7
The number 7 perhaps speaks of perfection or completeness. God's complete provision in His dealings with men.
Some examples:
7 days make a complete week
7 colors make a perfect spectrum
7 great land masses form a complete earth
7 notes make a perfect scale
7 great bodies of water form a complete ocean
There were the 7 days of creation as well as many other examples throughout the Scriptures:
Zech 3:9 For behold, the stone that I have laid before Joshua: upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' says the LORD of hosts, `And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Rev 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
To the Jew every 7th day was a Sabbath.
Every 7th year was a Sabbatical year.
After the 7th Sabbatical year was the year of Jubilee.
Every 7th month was holy and had 3 feasts.
There were 7 weeks between Passover and Pentecost.
The Passover feast lasted 7 days.
The feast of Tabernacles lasted 7 days.
At Passover 14 lambs (7 twice) were offered daily.
At Tabernacles 14 lambs (7 twice) and 70 bullocks were offered.
At Pentecost 7 lambs were offered.
The time of mourning the dead was fixed to 7 days.
and so on...
Seven continues to have symbolic prominence in the New Testament, with Jesus telling Peter that it is not enough that he forgive the brother who had sinned against him seven times, but "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). Seven is also the number of Greek-speaking Christians appointed by the Twelve Apostles in Acts 6:3.
The New Testament concludes in a "great surge of sevens, with hep tads, explicit and implicit, tumbling forth from many verses."
In the Book of Revelation there were:
The 7 letters to the 7 Churches.
The 7 Seal Judgments
The 7 Trumpet Judgments
The 7 Bowl Judgments
The 7 Golden Lamp stands
The 7 Stars
The 7 Angels
The 7 Spirits of God
The Lamb with 7 Horns and 7 Eyes.
The 7 Lamps of Fire
The 7 Thunders
The Fiery Red Dragon with 7 heads and 7 Crowns.
The Leopard-Like Beast with 7 heads.
The Scarlet-Colored Beast with 7 heads.
The 7 Mountains The 7 Kings
interrupt. Revelations.
Look and see (7th Seal 's)
the (7 Trumpets,) (7 bowls=vials)and
all so Seven Thunders.Line up.walt2000
the (7 Trumpets,) (7 bowls=vials)and
all so Seven Thunders.Line up.walt2000
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W
I wonder why you double post? Strange, you mention the Holy Spirit, and I give you the chance to say that your doctrine comes from Him by revelation, and it is a cop out. I am in this thread, relunctently. I do not agree with your doctrine, nor with your proofs or justifications. Doctrines have a way of supporting themselves, because those who subscribe to them wish to believe them. I am in this thread, but have not stated clearly what I believe about our catching away, and it's timing. I have stated that anyone who looks into this should take into account that Jesus is the life, and the resurrection. I say this because the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that these are not the same, as is often thought, which makes many thoughts about the rapture have a different light.
Let me say (if you are still reading,) that I do not believe in a pertrib rapture, nor do I believe that the bride of Christ will still be on earth at the first resurrection. The marriage supper of the Lamb is before the first resurrection. I plan on being there.
Let me say (if you are still reading,) that I do not believe in a pertrib rapture, nor do I believe that the bride of Christ will still be on earth at the first resurrection. The marriage supper of the Lamb is before the first resurrection. I plan on being there.
W
I wonder why you double post? Not to strange, you mention the Holy Spirit, and I give you the chance to say that your doctrine comes from Him by revelation, and it is a cop out. I am in this thread, reluctantly. I do not agree with your doctrine, nor with your proofs or justifications. Doctrines have a way of supporting themselves, because those who subscribe to them wish to believe them.
I double posted because of a spelling err.in wrong(I spelled it as Wong) seems that what I reveal on this subject it ends up on Goggle.
When I first started this in around 1968 computers were a stick of wood ,and my spelling is not what it should be.
And I really could not care less if you except this doctrine all this is is a wording out of Revelation. I just introduced the space's . walt2000
I double posted because of a spelling err.in wrong(I spelled it as Wong) seems that what I reveal on this subject it ends up on Goggle.
When I first started this in around 1968 computers were a stick of wood ,and my spelling is not what it should be.
And I really could not care less if you except this doctrine all this is is a wording out of Revelation. I just introduced the space's . walt2000
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W
You rally are quite right I was born a sill born .My Mother was a Christian .She had me baptized to be placed in the Ground,The minester Was doing his work with The water and I Started to cry .So your right I was Saved the Day I was born, Not Year. Sorry We Cant Seem to GET along.Have NICE LIFE.walt2000