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do you really see what you do all the time.....
You are defending your salvation, AGAIN, and we are long past that thought with you, because we know you are a fellow brother....I am not asking you to defend your salvation or how God deals with you...I am showing you how to grow up in Christ and live in the overcoming now...
The Holy Spirit finds it rather tedious to keep having to chasten us on our practical righteousness issues, when he could be showing you how to meet the needs of others.....Is this not what Jesus was imparting to his own disciples..
You are defending your salvation, AGAIN, and we are long past that thought with you, because we know you are a fellow brother....I am not asking you to defend your salvation or how God deals with you...I am showing you how to grow up in Christ and live in the overcoming now...
The Holy Spirit finds it rather tedious to keep having to chasten us on our practical righteousness issues, when he could be showing you how to meet the needs of others.....Is this not what Jesus was imparting to his own disciples..
One more post hopefully, and I hope my position is clear..
EG
The outer presence of HolySpirit is what the Jews experienced. Holy Spirit would come upon them in power, and the Presence was with them. Scripture says that. Jesus said to the disciples that Holy Spirit was with them but soon would be in them.
That's the difference.
Then am throwing this in...don't care who barks at me. WE NEED His empowering gifts that Holy Spirit has for each of us.
The help that Jesus has given to His body to be a partaker of the divine image. Remember that is His goal.
EG
The outer presence of HolySpirit is what the Jews experienced. Holy Spirit would come upon them in power, and the Presence was with them. Scripture says that. Jesus said to the disciples that Holy Spirit was with them but soon would be in them.
That's the difference.
Then am throwing this in...don't care who barks at me. WE NEED His empowering gifts that Holy Spirit has for each of us.
The help that Jesus has given to His body to be a partaker of the divine image. Remember that is His goal.
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No, You do me a favor. Instead af ASSUMING I do not know these things, Step back for a minute, rething what you are saying, Re read what I have been telling you. And them stop assuming you know what I believe.
For the third time now (in two days )
I FOUND OUT THOSE THINGS TEN YEARS AGO, AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE GREATLY.
As for the debate, there is no debate, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT YOUR SAYING.. You just can not see it BECAUSE YOU THINK I BELIEVE SOMETHING ELSE>
E
lol, Your too funny dude, Your so out to prove me wrong on an issue, you will not listen.
90 % of what you say I already do and believe and as I have said, I HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER TEN YEARS (since I was released from legalism)
You heard me say somethign about discipleship and getting together with people and went off the deep end saying i believe in sin conscious doctrine which is not true,
And I guess no matter what I say, You will not believe otherwise.
Wake up dude,, Your arguing a dead horse.
You want me to practice and believe things I already practice
and you judge me for things I do not believe or practice.
so of course I seem to be contradicting myself. It is not me, It is you..
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Stone, Please listen
I do not believe in sin consiouse doctrine, I do not preach it, nor do I practice it, I am not worried about my sin, I place my faith in God, I place my position in christ, In fact, Since I believe in eternal security, and meggido does not, My faith is in reality more in christ than his is.
So the issue we are having is someone heard me say something and went crazy instead of trying to find out what I really believed.
So I am done with this argument,, which is really no argument at all.
Ariel - You testify to faith in Christ, and I say amen to that. I never decide on someones position
only their declared statements of belief. My problem is you are prepared to talk with people who
continually disown other believers on the wrong basis.
I have found it amusing today, realising a resting believer who is doing nothing, calling anyone
a worker is a complement. Any work I do, is work for Christ. He calls me to work like this.
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward.
Col 3:23-24
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Col 3:17
Are we workers who are working for an end goal?
To equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God.
Eph 4:12-13
We are all fellow workers with the brothers and sisters in Christ.
For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.
1 Cor 3:9
Has anyone noticed the difference between work and rest? I have.
only their declared statements of belief. My problem is you are prepared to talk with people who
continually disown other believers on the wrong basis.
I have found it amusing today, realising a resting believer who is doing nothing, calling anyone
a worker is a complement. Any work I do, is work for Christ. He calls me to work like this.
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward.
Col 3:23-24
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Col 3:17
Are we workers who are working for an end goal?
To equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God.
Eph 4:12-13
We are all fellow workers with the brothers and sisters in Christ.
For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.
1 Cor 3:9
Has anyone noticed the difference between work and rest? I have.
I never said you were EG...I said what Meggido was saying is truth.
Where you went wrong was in not really reading what he was saying in the beginning. All you had to do was agree with him back then. No argument then.
Now you say you agree...so that should finish the subject. We all are in agreement here.
Where you went wrong was in not really reading what he was saying in the beginning. All you had to do was agree with him back then. No argument then.
Now you say you agree...so that should finish the subject. We all are in agreement here.
And if we are made aware of our sin, what do we do?
its finished is HIS WORK...
But HE's not finished working in us
For the will of GOD is our sanctification and that is an ongoing process
HE's the ONE who makes men holy
And apart from the ONE who sanctified Himself for us
We can do nothing
its finished is HIS WORK...
But HE's not finished working in us
For the will of GOD is our sanctification and that is an ongoing process
HE's the ONE who makes men holy
And apart from the ONE who sanctified Himself for us
We can do nothing
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lol
You evidently came in halfway through the conversation. Sorry if you had to be dragged into this,,
It started because I made a comment, and he believed I taught sin conscious doctrine, I tried to show him I did not believe what he was saying I did, But he kept it up.
three times I said things he said I should do, or believe I started to believe ten years ago.. Yet he still did not get it.
You evidently came in halfway through the conversation. Sorry if you had to be dragged into this,,
It started because I made a comment, and he believed I taught sin conscious doctrine, I tried to show him I did not believe what he was saying I did, But he kept it up.
three times I said things he said I should do, or believe I started to believe ten years ago.. Yet he still did not get it.
A few observations "I am not worried about my sin"
"I place my faith in God"
"I place my position in christ"
Someone once pointed out to me a lot of "I"'s
I am worried about sin in my life, it undoes me, leads to death and is truly
worthy of judgement. If I fail, how can I go on rejoicing for I have failed my Lord.
I place my trust in the cross, and trust Him to cleanse me from confessed sin, so
I can continue to see need and minister to it.
If we walk in the Spirit and are overcomers, then sin is not an issue, because we
have resolved the underlying issues, and keep them in check.
Ofcourse those who believe they have never overcome and are not pure, cleansed or
holy, will have a hard time, if daily they confess sin which grips their life.
So I do wonder if a miracle has taken place and someone has realised what it means
to walk in love as Christ wants us to, or this is still a dream never to be reached?
I could say it amuses me, because I know stubborn hearts are set like flint against
these ideas, so it feels like rather than bringing a blessing of victory through the
cross in Christ, annoying a big monster who is going to try and crush me, ohhhhh.
But love never gives up or does not seek to express blessing and good things.
So God bless you, may the Lords light shine in your heart, amen.
"I place my faith in God"
"I place my position in christ"
Someone once pointed out to me a lot of "I"'s
I am worried about sin in my life, it undoes me, leads to death and is truly
worthy of judgement. If I fail, how can I go on rejoicing for I have failed my Lord.
I place my trust in the cross, and trust Him to cleanse me from confessed sin, so
I can continue to see need and minister to it.
If we walk in the Spirit and are overcomers, then sin is not an issue, because we
have resolved the underlying issues, and keep them in check.
Ofcourse those who believe they have never overcome and are not pure, cleansed or
holy, will have a hard time, if daily they confess sin which grips their life.
So I do wonder if a miracle has taken place and someone has realised what it means
to walk in love as Christ wants us to, or this is still a dream never to be reached?
I could say it amuses me, because I know stubborn hearts are set like flint against
these ideas, so it feels like rather than bringing a blessing of victory through the
cross in Christ, annoying a big monster who is going to try and crush me, ohhhhh.
But love never gives up or does not seek to express blessing and good things.
So God bless you, may the Lords light shine in your heart, amen.
I am interested, who are brothers and who are not.
Certain "believers" here are happy to call people many things, preach heresy, disown
most of the evangelical denominations and members as legalists without even meeting
them or knowing them, just on some derived theological basis of security of salvation.
ORAR - once righteous always righteous, even though it is a lie, it is Christs righteousness
they claim, even if they lose their faith, they believe it still applies. It is like an irreversible
contract that the believer can never break, even with hatred and unbelief.
And the funny thing is, as a believer if I come to Christ through faith and later decide I do not
hold to ORAR, I am not saved.
It is such a self serving easy believism position, where resting is everything because Jesus does
it all, and we do nothing, you actually have nothing in the end but arrogance and presumption.
I think some find reality through these ideas, because there is truth here with slight adjustments,
to decide who truly knows the Lord and who is deluded is quite a feat.
Certain "believers" here are happy to call people many things, preach heresy, disown
most of the evangelical denominations and members as legalists without even meeting
them or knowing them, just on some derived theological basis of security of salvation.
ORAR - once righteous always righteous, even though it is a lie, it is Christs righteousness
they claim, even if they lose their faith, they believe it still applies. It is like an irreversible
contract that the believer can never break, even with hatred and unbelief.
And the funny thing is, as a believer if I come to Christ through faith and later decide I do not
hold to ORAR, I am not saved.
It is such a self serving easy believism position, where resting is everything because Jesus does
it all, and we do nothing, you actually have nothing in the end but arrogance and presumption.
I think some find reality through these ideas, because there is truth here with slight adjustments,
to decide who truly knows the Lord and who is deluded is quite a feat.