Sabbath

[Grandpa]

I'm amazed at how hard folks work to find excuses not to simply do as the Creator of the universe told us to do.

Yes, its weird isn't it?

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]The bible says there is a reason they don't.

2 Corinthians 3:14 [FONT=&quot]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

[/FONT]Hebrews 4:1-3
[FONT=&quot]1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.[/FONT]

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Yes, its weird isn't it?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

The bible says there is a reason they don't.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Hebrews 4:1-3
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Yes indeed

Psa_37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently forhim: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of theman who bringeth wicked devices to

Psa_146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind:the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

 

[Yonah]

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 

[LoveGodForever]

"I know that, whatsoever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him." (Ecc 3:14)

 

[LoveGodForever]

You've been shown, over and over and over but you refuse to see.

Same with your cohorts.

It is abundantly obvious that Christians are not under the law. That is a FACT.

You can argue it, just like the pharisees who believed in Acts 15, but I think you are on the wrong side of the argument. The anti-Christian side.

Hi Grandpa, maybe answering these questions will help you. If your interpretation of God's Word is correct and you know God's Word you should have no trouble answering these questions below and if you can answer these questions you should be able to help those you feel are in error. If you cannot then they should give you something to pray about. Could you please provide an answer to each one of these questions below from God's Word?

1. Do you know what a High Sabbath is? (John 19:31)

2. What is an annual Sabbaths that is connected to feast days that do not even fall on the 7th Day of the week?

3. Did you know the annual Sabbaths ("High Sabbath days") can fall on any day of the week?

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

God bless you

 

[gotime]

That's what the scriptures say. There's no error.

Ok so at least I know that is not the part you disagree with me on. So I will keep going till we meet the part that you disagree with me on.

Second point.

Contextually this took place before the fall before sin entered this world, Thus before any need of salvation.

 

[Grandpa]

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh.

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]Thats the Lord Jesus speaking.

Ephesians 2:8-10
[FONT=&quot]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.[/FONT]

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

I'll assume you mean rest on saturdays according to the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 4:1-11
[FONT=&quot]1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.[/FONT]

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

Sunday isn't the "new" sabbath.

What the OT required is now Provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. But instead of a carnal provision it is a spiritual one.

So instead of carnally working at keeping a saturday sabbath Christians rest in the Provision of Christ, spiritually.

Christians meet on sundays because they are not under the law. It would be illogical to say that we aren't under the law and yet try to carnally keep a saturday sabbath.

 

[Grandpa]

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh.

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Thats the Lord Jesus speaking.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

I'll assume you mean rest on saturdays according to the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

Sunday isn't the "new" sabbath.

What the OT required is now Provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. But instead of a carnal provision it is a spiritual one.

So instead of carnally working at keeping a saturday sabbath Christians rest in the Provision of Christ, spiritually.

Christians meet on sundays because they are not under the law. It would be illogical to say that we aren't under the law and yet try to carnally keep a saturday sabbath.

 

[JohnTalmid]

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh.

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Thats the Lord Jesus speaking.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

I'll assume you mean rest on saturdays according to the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

Sunday isn't the "new" sabbath.

What the OT required is now Provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. But instead of a carnal provision it is a spiritual one.

So instead of carnally working at keeping a saturday sabbath Christians rest in the Provision of Christ, spiritually.

Christians meet on sundays because they are not under the law. It would be illogical to say that we aren't under the law and yet try to carnally keep a saturday sabbath.

So you must literally eat his flesh and drink his blood.? You claim to know that this scripture is interpreted correct to say that Messiah is the Sabbath. When He said that He is Master of the Sabbath not the Sabbath to be sure.

 

[gotime]

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh. Where in the bible do we get the definition you have given here? I ask because I have never seen it. You have said this even to me many times and as Yet I have not seen this in the bible itself. Could you provide sound bible based evidence that the term "under the law" means this as you have said?

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

That's the Lord Jesus speaking. Indeed it is the Lord Speaking, But He has said nothing about the Sabbath day here. I assume you are trying to connect this because it uses the word Rest. But it does not say Sabbath day rather it is a different word altogether. So how is it that you use this when it says nothing about the 7th day Sabbath not even a hint?

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Great text But does not speak about the Sabbath day at all.

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

I'll assume you mean rest on saturdays according to the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

Sunday isn't the "new" sabbath.

What the OT required is now Provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. But instead of a carnal provision it is a spiritual one.

So instead of carnally working at keeping a saturday sabbath Christians rest in the Provision of Christ, spiritually.

Christians meet on sundays because they are not under the law. It would be illogical to say that we aren't under the law and yet try to carnally keep a saturday sabbath.

Hope you don't mind me butting in here but I questions what you have put above. I only replied to two for clarification. cheers.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Also is it carnally minded to try and have a baby? We know it is something that God has much to do with as He opens and closes the womb. Would you like to support the conclusion that having a child is not relevant? Is it acting carnally then to, "be a good Christian " we both know it is not doing "good works" that gets anyone saved. Justification as mentioned earlier is not the effect of the salvation by faith that I have come to know. These "good works" are in agreement with the Law of God and because of that you think I'm under a curse! You are working at them for the people who are keeping part of the law and not the "rest" have not entered into the promise. If you want to be A legalist go to the Pharisees and their religion, or to the Bishops and the doctrine of demons, or go to the Protestant and follow tradition and rules of men. If you want to follow Messiah and The instruction of the Father while being made Holy, trust in Yahshua and enter into the Sabbath rest of the Lord of the Sabbath day, (as the father said a sign that He is your God and that you are His people.)
Don't you understand that when you fight against the Word of God you are fighting against the Messiah as well? If the Word of God says they did not enter into my rest so they all perished and did not enter into the Land? In effect Messiah testified of the Father not the Law as we have been brainwashed into seeing it. There are many things to God's Law that would not apply to all. Spiritually speaking all of it does because it is one like Messiah and the Father. If you are male you are not going to be doing the instructions on a woman's uncleanliness. You are to teach them to your children however. What about not eating anything with the blood in it, or things sacrificed to idols? I personally know that idols are prayed to and some meats are prayed over in the name of a foreign god. Are you not to resist Sin? If a command of the Prophet healed, how much more would The Father heal us all for resting on the Sabbath day as He has tried to remind His people about for sure. A people who humble themselves and lean not on their understanding are waiting to hear from you the truth, that their is still a Sabbath observance in Messiah and it is a gift of healing and peace.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Grandpa,

I see you have had a try to answer 4 of the 7 questions I sent to you earlier. However not according to God's Word as I asked. Others have shown you some of your mistakes already. But I have added some comments below in RED under your comments for your prayerful consideration. Then latter in another post I will answer all the 7 questions for you from God's Word so you can see the scriptures.

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh.

I asked for the answers to be given from God's Word. This is your interpretation or opinion and is not according to the Word of God.

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Thats the Lord Jesus speaking.

The very next verse that is missing from your scripture says how we get this rest. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. The rest that we find here is from learning of Jesus, following him and obeying him (Mat 11:29). This scripture does not say that Jesus is our Sabbath.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Nice scriptures but none of them answer question 5. None of them say that Jesus is our Sabbath.


6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

I'll assume you mean rest on saturdays according to the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Nice scriptures but none of them answer question 6. None of those scriptures say that we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath of the 4th Commandment (Ex 20:8-11) a holy day as God commanded us.

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

Sunday isn't the "new" sabbath. What the OT required is now Provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. But instead of a carnal provision it is a spiritual one. So instead of carnally working at keeping a saturday sabbath Christians rest in the Provision of Christ, spiritually.Christians meet on sundays because they are not under the law. It would be illogical to say that we aren't under the law and yet try to carnally keep a saturday sabbath.

I asked for the answers to be given from God's Word. This is your interpretation or opinion and is not according to the Word of God. This does not answer question 7.

Ok Grandpa hope this is helpful. I will provide all the answer of all the 7 questions for your shortly from God's Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello Grandpa,


Here is the answers to the 7 questions that I asked you earlier. In order to answer these questions you really need to understand both the Old and the New Testament and the difference between the Law of God and the laws of Moses and what the Old and New Covenants as described in God’s Word. I hope this gives you something to pray about and study for yourself. All answers are in BLUE.

Questions

1. Do you know what a High Sabbath is? (John 19:31)

2. What is an annual Sabbaths that is connected to feast days that do not even fall on the 7th Day of the week?

3. Did you know the annual Sabbaths ("High Sabbath days") can fall on any day of the week?

Answers 1- 3

“Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31)

What is the "high-day Sabbath" mentioned in this verse? Is it the same as a weekly Sabbath? The answer is no. A high day is technically an annual holy day, or annual Sabbath, as commanded in Leviticus 23. Certainly, the weekly Sabbath is a day to keep holy, but these annual holy days take precedence if they occur on the seventh-day Sabbath.

There are 7 annual Sabbaths (High days): connected to feasts in the laws of Moses. The first and seventh days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah in Hebrew), Atonement (Yom Kippur), the first day of Tabernacles (Succoth), and the Last Great Day. The first three occur in the spring, and the last four in the fall. Thus, the high day of which John 19:31 was speaking was one of the three spring holy days, and since Jesus crucifixion took place on the day of Passover (Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar), the high day of which he speaks was the first day of Unleavened Bread, which falls the day after the Passover (Nisan 15).

These are ceremonial Sabbaths connected to Feast Days. These annual feast day Sabbaths are described in Leviticus 23 and also in other parts of Deuteronomy and are not the normal weekly 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as they can occur on any day of the week. They are different from the weekly 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as they begin on the New Moonand can start on any day of the week. These annual or “High” Sabbath days in many of these festival feast or Holy days start at the first sign of the full moon at certain times of the year. The beginning and the end of these festivals are the “High days” or annual Sabbaths in the laws of Moses. No work was to be conducted but in some cases lessor amounts of work were to be done as described in Lev 23. Also, point of interest these “High days” or annual ceremonial Sabbaths connected to these feasts or Holy days can start at any day of the week the New Moon falls on. These Feast days or Holy days included Meat (food), Drink and burnt offering which started on New Moons at certain times of the year (Lev 23:36-37; 39;24).

These “High days” or Full Moon festival Sabbaths are no longer kept today as well as the meat and drink offerings and holy days as they are parts of the ceremonial laws of Moses that were pointing to Jesus and nailed to the cross with our sins (Old covenant) Col 2:14. These annual Sabbaths (high days) connected to feast days from the laws of Moses were shadows of things to come Col 2:14-16 (more information read Lev 23 also wiki). I can walk you through Lev 23 if you need help. Funny how Lev 23 and Ezekiel 46:3-7 describe exactly what Col chapter 2 is talking about.... Here is a short example of what Col 2 is talking about here;

"And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." (Eze 45:17-21 see also Eze 46:3-7)

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

"Sin is the transgression of Gods Law" (1John 3:4) to be under the Law means to be guilty of sin or breaking God's Law....

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Rom 2:12-13)

God's Word says to be "Under the Law” means to be found guilty of breaking God's Law (sinning) Do you believe God's Word?

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

There is NO scripture in the bible that says Jesus is our Sabbath. The only reference to Sabbath is a DAY.

6. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

There is NO scripture in the bible that says Jesus is our Sabbath. The only reference or context to the Sabbath is a DAY.

7. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

There is NO scripture in the bible that says we no longer need to keep God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath a holy. Sunday Worship is a man-made teaching and tradition put in place over the commandment of God. Jesus says it is vain or not worshiping God if you’re putting the teaching of men in place of the Word of God.

So if there is no scriptures in the Word of God that says that Jesus is the Sabbath, and there is no scripture that says we no longer need to keep Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath holy, and there is no scripture that says we are to keep Sunday in place of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath, why do you transgress the Law of God by your own traditions? (see Mark 7:9). We must obey God rather than man.

 

[Katy-follower]

Here's a great scripture about the new garment and new wineskins!!

Matthew 9:16-17: "No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

 

[LoveGodForever]

Here's a great scripture about the new garment and new wineskins!!

Matthew 9:16-17: "No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

Hi Katy-follower,

Love the scriptures. I love your tag as well. Its very biblical.

God bless you

 

[Katy-follower]

I see many christians here trying to be Jewish.

The Jews reject Jesus, and so are stuck under the Old Covenant. They believe Sabbath keeping is a necessary requirement.

So then if you believe you must strictly do things the Old covenant way, will you admit to even keeping the sabbath perfectly? Do you cease from all activity that is considered work, as in no electricity allowed... this means no turning lights on and off, no posting on CC either (since you're using a computer/electricity) , no opening a fridge because the light will switch on and it's forbidden. Also, no shaving allowed on the sabbath, no driving or traveling anywhere, and endless other restrictions...

And if you believe keeping the Sabbath is necessary, then why not also acknowledge the other Holy days, such as the feasts and other Jewish holidays as requirements?

Again, as per my post (#1313) - Romans 14 tells us to each be fully convinced in our own mind, concerning the day of worship (whether it be Saturday or Sunday). Most believers fellowship and worship throughout the week, not just one specific day. The problem is when some become legalistic and start making Saturday Sabbath a requirement for salvation, and tell others they are sinning when they don't acknowledge that specific day...

 

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I see many christians here trying to be Jewish.

The Jews reject Jesus, and so are stuck under the Old Covenant. They believe Sabbath keeping is a necessary requirement.

So then if you believe you must strictly do things the Old covenant way, will you admit to even keeping the sabbath perfectly? Do you cease from all activity that is considered work, as in no electricity allowed... this means no turning lights on and off, no posting on CC either (since you're using a computer/electricity) , no opening a fridge because the light will switch on and it's forbidden. Also, no shaving allowed on the sabbath, no driving or traveling anywhere, and endless other restrictions...

And if you believe keeping the Sabbath is necessary, then why not also acknowledge the other Holy days, such as the feasts and other Jewish holidays as requirements?

Again, as per my post (#1313) - Romans 14 tells us to each be fully convinced in our own mind, concerning the day of worship (whether it be Saturday or Sunday). Most believers fellowship and worship throughout the week, not just one specific day. The problem is when some become legalistic and start making Saturday Sabbath a requirement for salvation, and tell others they are sinning when they don't acknowledge that specific day...

It is the Sabbath of the 10 Commandments of GOD that many seek to keep out of love for Heavenly Father and the Messiah.

I would say that those that do not keep it in love for Heavenly Father would see it not as a delight and believe it to be endless restrictions.. after all a man was put to death for collecting sticks in past times... but if we look to the Messiah we are at liberty to see a delight where others see a burden...

It is a marvel that a day of rest becomes a work for Salvation.... is it not that GOD seeks obedience not sacrifice?

 

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Matthew 12

1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

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I see many christians here trying to be Jewish.

The Jews reject Jesus, and so are stuck under the Old Covenant. They believe Sabbath keeping is a necessary requirement.​They also believed that baring false witness was wrong, or that stealing is wrong. Does that mean people who teach not to steal or bare false witness are trying to be Jewish? No of course not. My point is simple, Your reasoning does not make logical sense when you apply it across the board. the people who are here saying the Sabbath matters also believe in Jesus as the only way to be saved.

So then if you believe you must strictly do things the Old covenant way, will you admit to even keeping the sabbath perfectly? Do you cease from all activity that is considered work, as in no electricity allowed... this means no turning lights on and off, no posting on CC either (since you're using a computer/electricity) , no opening a fridge because the light will switch on and it's forbidden. Also, no shaving allowed on the sabbath, no driving or traveling anywhere, and endless other restrictions...Quick point here, What you have said above is not taught in scripture. Its traditions made by Pharisees etc. Keeping the Sabbath does not involve any of these things. What you are doing is what the Pharisees did and I don't think you want to go there. So if you are going to make a point against the Sabbath best to use the scripture and not Pharisaical traditions.

And if you believe keeping the Sabbath is necessary, then why not also acknowledge the other Holy days, such as the feasts and other Jewish holidays as requirements.The 7th day Sabbath is embedded in creation see Gen 2. The holy days and feasts were all about sacrifice for sins. Thus they were shadows of Messiah. Why would someone who acknowledges Gods finished work of creation and how Jesus blessed a day and set it aside as holy then ignore the work of Jesus who is the true sacrifice? They would not. See that is the difference. To acknowledge the work of Christ goes for everything Jesus did. So naturally one would acknowledge Christ by accepting He is the true sacrifice and no longer adhere to feasts and holy days that were about the sacrifice for sins. Likewise one would acknowledge that Jesus made the 7th day Holy and blessed it.

Again, as per my post (#1313) - Romans 14 tells us to each be fully convinced in our own mind, concerning the day of worship (whether it be Saturday or Sunday). Most believers fellowship and worship throughout the week, not just one specific day. The problem is when some become legalistic and start making Saturday Sabbath a requirement for salvation, and tell others they are sinning when they don't acknowledge that specific day.. You have given your own interpretation to Romans 14. It says:

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Note it does not mention worship you added that. It does not mention Sabbath specifically you assumed that. I am all for scripture but not personal interpretation. You can not take this and say its talking about the Sabbath unless you can demonstrate that this indeed was the intent of Paul. You must demonstrate by scripture. and if you can not then you can not use this to teach something you can't be sure it teaches. However I am sure it does not because Paul never taught contrary to the teachings of the OT. He rather tried to take the veil off the eyes of the people by showing that Jesus was always the one spoken of in the OT and that he made all his points based on the OT.

Hi Katy I hope you don't mind me weighing in here. But just a few comments in blue above. I hope you give it some thought. You don't have to reply but there are holes in your arguments here. That is fine we are all learning. blessings.

 

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Ps the very law that you all claim and acknowledge shows sin say its sin not to remember the 7th day to keep it holy. We did not make that up. The law shows sin I wont post because it seems everyone would agree with that.

well here it is:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is the part in questions. So it is God who spoke this and wrote this with his own finger. It was God who said the above.

Some may say: well he said this to Israel it was given to Israel. Yeah well so was the New covenant said to Israel and Judah.

But Paul is clear that the whole world is guilty not Just Jews for He said:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

and here again:

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So all have sinned and the law gives a knowledge of sin.

The law says, remember the 7th day to keep it holy.

It does not say remember the Sabbath shadow, it says "Sabbath ""day"".

It says in the law that the reason is because of creation a past event and finished event.

We did not say that God did.