Earth is Flat and Stationary

[Zen]

Okay well my mind is just blown here. I had no idea so many people believed this...
Can someone explain to me the basic idea or would it be too difficult?

NASA are liars. All their pictures are edited. Why aren't there stars? It's like looking at cartoons and thinking they are real.

Oh and here's a bonus picture of the "tens of thousands of years old monument aligned with the stars that modern cranes cannot build because the stones are way too heavy wow this disproves the bible because scientists say it's older than 6000 years".

Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

 

[pckts]

Okay well my mind is just blown here. I had no idea so many people believed this...
Can someone explain to me the basic idea or would it be too difficult?

Basic Idea:

1. All of the videos and images provided by the Government/NASA/Space Agencies are fake.

2. In the 1600's when the church was persecuting people saying "the earth revolves around the sun", they were correct and did so because these individuals were occultists promoting satanic agendas and the church rightfully recognized this and responded accordingly.

3. Bible Scripture implies a flat earth:

[h=3]Psalm 104:5 ESV[/h]He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.
[h=3]Revelation 7:1 ESV[/h]After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
[h=3]Matthew 4:8 ESV[/h]Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
[h=3]Psalm 93:1 ESV[/h]The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
[h=3]Joshua 10:12 ESV[/h]At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
[h=3]Job 37:3 ESV[/h]Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.
[h=3]Isaiah 11:12 ESV[/h]He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
[h=3]Job 28:24 ESV[/h]For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
[h=3]Daniel 4:10-11 ESV[/h]The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
[h=3]Revelation 1:7 ESV[/h]Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
[h=3]Matthew 24:29 ESV[/h]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
[h=3]Ecclesiastes 1:5 ESV[/h]The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
[h=3]Revelation 6:13 ESV[/h]And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
[h=3]Daniel 8:10 ESV[/h]It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.
[h=3]Isaiah 22:18 ESV[/h]And whirl you around and around, and throw you like a ball into a wide land. There you shall die, and there shall be your glorious chariots, you shame of your master's house.
[h=3]Revelation 20:8 ESV[/h]And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
[h=3]Luke 4:5 ESV[/h]And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,

4. Curvature is not observable without a fish-eye lens, all photos taken genuinely from mountaintops, amateur rockets, and weather ballons with cameras attached reveal no curvature.




5. Prior to the 1600's the entire world believed the earth was in line with a geo-centric model, and all ancient structures remain near perfectly aligned to sun and stars using this understanding and standing the test of time.

6. The globe earth was created so that evolution, aliens, big bang, and anything and everything against God and The Truth can be promoted.

7. Flat earth stuff: Sun and moon are the same size, Antartica/South Pole is an Ice Ring that holds the water in rather than the "bottom" of the earth. The stars and top of the earth are a dome rather than "outer space". This is the map.

It is based off of this very old and accurate map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection

Any more questions I'll answer

 

[Zmouth]

wait - do you think John 3 is about Jesus telling Nicodemus the earth is flat?

No he was actually telling Nicodemus what forms a physical being with life. And you can't make a physical body with just two states of matter as represented by dust and air which is the way Genesis 2:7 is commonly interpreted. (Solid/Liquid)

Yet unless one is born of water, then it really doesn't matter if you believe the earth is flat or spherical.

All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Genesis 7:22

But of course they believe they can hear the sound of the wind since it is written that the wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8

But then again one does not hear the wind since the wind is the force which causes the motion of air molecules which is heard.

 

[GaryA]

The most adamant of non-believers will say to me, "Do you realize how many planets are out there?, ...

Do you tell them...

"None. There are no planets."

?

 

[pckts]

Do you tell them...

"None. There are no planets."

?

Of course, I tell them "planets" are tiny inhabitable revolving orbs above the earth that dwarfs them and the stars are not "galaxies" like our own.....and then I keep going until they don't want to hear anymore.

 

[Angela53510]

No more big bang.

No more evolution.

No more New World Order.

No more wasting billions of tax-payer money every year to support the biggest fraud in history.

No more blindly following the governments and politicians of the world who propel that fraud.

God becomes very real to the masses of the Earth.

Satan becomes very real to the masses of the Earth.

The reality of the occult presence on the Earth becomes very real to the masses of the Earth.


People start actually thinking for themselves - instead of just swallowing what the 'elite' spoon-feeds them.


Need I say more?



Keep reading the above list - over and over - until the light bulb goes on...

I'm still waiting for that picture of the edge of the earth. Now, if you can't get it today, maybe the best thing you can do to convince me and the world, is get up an expedition to the edge of the earth. Wow, if you used satellites, we could follow your journey and see the edge of the earth live!

I have seen many pictures of the earth as a globe. My suggestion, like PH says, about the angle the sun hits the earth, is go to the Arctic. The North West Territories, Nunavit, the Yukon or Alaska. Or even Siberia, I don't care. Stay there and notice how the sun goes around in a circle at the end of June. Because of the way the globe of the earth is angled towards the sun. Or go in winter. You would see no light. Or, conversely, visit Antartica. You could sail all around the continent. Then, wait for the cold, the dark, or stay for summer, see the ice shelf melting and the light all day.

I've been to Yellowknife for solstice to visit my son. I had to wear a mask to sleep, because they got 2 hours of twilight and the rest of the day was sun. Your theory only works around the Tropic of Capricorn or south. Another son was just in Hong Kong, where the day was more or less the same, with small variations. One could almost believe the earth was flat when you are near the equator. But PH can explain the physics better, I've just experienced it! I mean, the top of the earth, and it being round!

But I particularly quoted this post because it is a fine list of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Now, I'm not saying the government is perfect, the Canadian one sure isn't. And my favourite conspiracy theory is that Justin Trudeau really is a Muslim, and plans on setting up the country for the Caliphate. But I don't use the Bible to prove it. And, wait for it, I may be wrong about Trudeau, although I would NEVER vote for the loser!

Which brings me to my concluding comment!

THIS THREAD BELONGS IN THE CONSPIRACY FORUM!

 

[GaryA]

THIS THREAD BELONGS IN THE CONSPIRACY FORUM!

I totally agree!

 

[posthuman]

Why are the pyramids and other ancient structures still near perfectly aligned with sun and stars?

here's something you should maybe read:

http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/thuban-past-north-star#pyramids

the same reason that when you look out of the side window of a car, distant mountains appear to be passing slower than marks on a fence right at the edge of the road is the same reason the constellations have remained recognizable for thousands of years. very large things, very far away. relativity & proportionality.

the tilt of the earth's axis however precesses, and the whole starfield rotates with respect to the planet over time as the pole precesses with respect to the orbital plane.

the great pyramid was aligned with thuban, not polaris. 5,000 years ago polaris wasn't closely aligned with 'north' -- but thuban, a star in Draco, was, and even more perfectly than polaris is now. a couple thousand years later, people used Kochab as the north star.


all this info is easily obtainable and documented. if they are such pressing questions to you, why don't you already know it?

 

[pckts]

here's something you should maybe read:

http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/thuban-past-north-star#pyramids

the same reason that when you look out of the side window of a car, distant mountains appear to be passing slower than marks on a fence right at the edge of the road is the same reason the constellations have remained recognizable for thousands of years. very large things, very far away. relativity & proportionality.

the tilt of the earth's axis however precesses, and the whole starfield rotates with respect to the planet over time as the pole precesses with respect to the orbital plane.

the great pyramid was aligned with thuban, not polaris. 5,000 years ago polaris wasn't closely aligned with 'north' -- but thuban, a star in Draco, was, and even more perfectly than polaris is now. a couple thousand years later, people used Kochab as the north star.


all this info is easily obtainable and documented. if they are such pressing questions to you, why don't you already know it?

In the case I speak of, the distant mountains are hurling through "outer space", in a pattern unrelated to the earth or our sun.

Or the stars rotating above the earth slow down about 1 degree every 80 or so years, I'm still not convinced equinox procession is factual, but it's compatible with flat earth

This is the speculation of liars (or regular speculation of the deceived), so I don't accept this readily.

I already know all of this, it's not enough information/smokescreens to explain why the constellations and stars do not change position despite everything in space moving in unrelated paths as the entire universe expands.

The Pyramids at Giza are more aligned to true north than the white house, and still aligned near perfect to the sun as well.Light years and vaccums don't account for this, stationary earth and fixed stars (and sun) do.

 

[GaryA]

The fact that there are no pictures is telling!

That is correct. There are no real pictures of a Ball Earth.

Where are they???

I'm still waiting for that picture of the edge of the earth.

I am still waiting for an actual single unedited photograph of a Ball Earth.

I have seen many pictures of the earth as a globe.

I have seen plenty of "artist rendition" images / pictures of a ball earth. I have even seen the ones they "photoshopped" from several "low-altitude passes" over the terrain. None of these pictures provide any valid form of proof that the Earth is a spinning ball in space.

The only thing I have ever seen is CG Images.

Show me an actual single unedited photograph of a Ball Earth.

 

[Zmouth]

I would like to hear the falsiability of the flat earth hypothesis?

 

[Gabriel2020]

you couldn't tell anyway, because it is much too large and one flat side is all you are going to see any way..

 

[Desdichado]

I had no idea flat earthing it was still a thing.

 

[GaryA]

Food for thought:

Why have we never seen a "shooting star" going 'up'...???

They always go 'sideways' and 'down' across the sky.

Why do we never see one shoot straight up from the horizon and trail off high into the sky above us?

**** BUMP ****

 

[Desdichado]

I wouldn't claim to be a science guy, but I would hazard that it's gravity and the earth's rotation working in tandem. That and the direction from where the meteor is coming.

What you describe sounds like a cruise missile.

**** BUMP ****

 

[Gabriel2020]

the earth is magnetic and it pulls things to the ground that is in it's atmosphere. that is why we stay on the ground ,because we are magnetic also. made from the same substance.

 

[Zmouth]

Okay well my mind is just blown here. I had no idea so many people believed this...
Can someone explain to me the basic idea or would it be too difficult?

Yet none of the flat earthers know what the wreath symbolizes...

 

[PeterJens]

Flat earth operates with a flat surface and the sun, moon, and stars appearing to be what we see.

Globe earth requires you to believe in curvature, light years, black holes, a expanding universe, optical illusions, vacuums, a tilt, all things that you do not detect but run through your mind before you allow your senses to perceive.

Why not consider these undetectable factors are lies to deceive your senses?

If you gave an honest look at the video and image footage/evidence you would see it is all fake, and that is something you don't need to be a flat earther to see and believe.

Debate about circle being a sphere all you want, The Bible references four corners of the earth, ends of the earth, stars crashing into the surface during end times, but I understand you think the authors were limited in their interpretation or that God dumbed it down for his audience. I believed these things when I was an atheist, I completely understand.

This government can go to hell, there is no reason you need to believe the moon landing, mars rover, and ISS are real, national pride should not blind you from seeing the truth of that deception. Why not watch a documentary or two about these topics? I would be thrilled to provide one that isn't disinformation/controlled opposition.

Remember that your equations prove a model, they are not the only explanation for your reality. For example, you believe the sun is 400x larger than the moon and 400x the distance from earth as the moon, therefore they are the same size your eyes.
A flat earther believes they are roughly the same size, and on our model we can have seasons, light darkness balance, eclipses, and everything required to explain human observations of our surroundings.

I've even been told the philosophy that the enormous size of the globe's universe is humbling and a religious experience for some, but you can have religious experiences about flat earth as well, I did immediately so don't think your reverence and symbolism can't be satisfied elsewhere. I was a horrible blaspheming atheist and the flat earth knocked me on my hindquarters/britches.

If you skipped all of that flat earth nonsense, read this bold print, your senses and man's authority are both capable of deceiving you (evolution? homosexuality is natural? lack of acknowledgement of Christ?), why are there all these God fearing Christians spending months arguing the ridiculous position that the earth is flat? You won't pay it any mind at all? Why not at least look to see if the moon landing footage or the photos of earth are fake? Doesn't mean the earth is a globe, just means that the physical evidence was faked by a government incapable of proving this.

I believe if I died right now I would go to hell for my hard heart and unforgiven sins, so please don't think I think I'm saved for flat earth or that this is a matter of salvation at all, I just think it's very very important for your discernment of evil while you are living on earth.

It's not a globe, flat is a dumb word for the theory that government is lieing to you about the model of the universe and that The Bible rings true to the model that contradicts and invalidates their lies.

Ask me anything you place your faith on for the globe and I'll spend the rest of this day (5 hours) to invalidate it without insulting you.

sunrise sunset positions in summer and winter, in the northern and southern hemisphere prove
we live on a globe with a tilt. If your flat earth model cannot show how this works it does
not exist. Now anyone can work this out with simple geometry.

If this is beyond you, then you will have to trust people. Look at the sun and moon, globes.

Why would the earth be not the same? God bless you.

 

[jaybird88]

I would like to hear the falsiability of the flat earth hypothesis?

i still want to know what flat earth has to do with being a follower of Jesus.

 

[PeterJens]

I am still waiting for an actual single unedited photograph of a Ball Earth.



I have seen plenty of "artist rendition" images / pictures of a ball earth. I have even seen the ones they "photoshopped" from several "low-altitude passes" over the terrain. None of these pictures provide any valid form of proof that the Earth is a spinning ball in space.

The only thing I have ever seen is CG Images.

Show me an actual single unedited photograph of a Ball Earth.

Gary why are you lying?

We have shown you apollo 14 photographs, weather satellite photographs yet you
deny it.

You demonstrate the power of delusion.
You are happy in this world, and I suppose that is ok except it is a lie, which does matter.
God is about truth, and you claim to follow Him.

Sal beware when the truth arrives at your door.