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If there are believers in Catholicism it’s a dark place as in "no light"of the gospel . That can be seen in a couple of ways.
One way is as the scriptures informs there must be heresies as private interpretations or personal commentaries of men .It also inform us the ones that are damnable or judgeable are the one that deny the grace of Chris as a finished work, which the Catholic fathers do deny by assuming the work of Christ's faith gave a remnant of the grace needed to hear God and not the fullness thereof.There fullnes is met in a creature they call Mary the queen of heaven as if she was a source of grace.They say she visits purgatory and even Protestants are there working for an unknow time (forever)
Not all heresies as opinions of men are damnable just the ones that clearly show others have blasphemed the name of God by having the faith of Christ, as the work of Christ that works in the beliver to both will and do His good pleasure having that in respect to the Pope and the succession of sinful men they call fathers. There is no imputed rightousness taught in Catholicism . but rather men have faith in respect to sinful men whom they must seek the approval of. Making the word of God without effect
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Another is how they follow after necromancy seeking after workers with familiar spirits (disembodied spirits) that they call patron saints. It is a damnable heresy making the portions of scripture that clearly show when a person leaves here under the sun there is no work they could perform .
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have "familiar spirits", and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Strongs lexicon...01875 darash {daw-rash'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 455; v
AV - seek 84, enquire 43, require 12, search 7, misc 18; 164
1) to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to resort to, frequent (a place), (tread a place) 1a2) to consult, enquire of, seek 1a2a) of God 1a2b) of heathen gods, necromancers 1a3) to seek deity in prayer and worship 1a3a) God 1a3b) heathen deities 1a4) to seek (with a demand), demand, require 1a5) to investigate, enquire 1a6) to ask for, require, demand 1a7) to practice, study, follow, seek with application 1a8) to seek with care, care for 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to allow oneself to be enquired of, consulted (only of God) 1b2) to be sought, be sought out 1b3) to be required (of blood)
In the above passage the word Darash(seek) is used in two ways . The first in regard to necromancy and the later those who speak according to the light of God word
One way is as the scriptures informs there must be heresies as private interpretations or personal commentaries of men .It also inform us the ones that are damnable or judgeable are the one that deny the grace of Chris as a finished work, which the Catholic fathers do deny by assuming the work of Christ's faith gave a remnant of the grace needed to hear God and not the fullness thereof.There fullnes is met in a creature they call Mary the queen of heaven as if she was a source of grace.They say she visits purgatory and even Protestants are there working for an unknow time (forever)
Not all heresies as opinions of men are damnable just the ones that clearly show others have blasphemed the name of God by having the faith of Christ, as the work of Christ that works in the beliver to both will and do His good pleasure having that in respect to the Pope and the succession of sinful men they call fathers. There is no imputed rightousness taught in Catholicism . but rather men have faith in respect to sinful men whom they must seek the approval of. Making the word of God without effect
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Another is how they follow after necromancy seeking after workers with familiar spirits (disembodied spirits) that they call patron saints. It is a damnable heresy making the portions of scripture that clearly show when a person leaves here under the sun there is no work they could perform .
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have "familiar spirits", and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Strongs lexicon...01875 darash {daw-rash'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 455; v
AV - seek 84, enquire 43, require 12, search 7, misc 18; 164
1) to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to resort to, frequent (a place), (tread a place) 1a2) to consult, enquire of, seek 1a2a) of God 1a2b) of heathen gods, necromancers 1a3) to seek deity in prayer and worship 1a3a) God 1a3b) heathen deities 1a4) to seek (with a demand), demand, require 1a5) to investigate, enquire 1a6) to ask for, require, demand 1a7) to practice, study, follow, seek with application 1a8) to seek with care, care for 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to allow oneself to be enquired of, consulted (only of God) 1b2) to be sought, be sought out 1b3) to be required (of blood)
In the above passage the word Darash(seek) is used in two ways . The first in regard to necromancy and the later those who speak according to the light of God word
hi Allen,
I believe no body perfect, but catholic is so danger, because they believe Mary able to talk to us and give instruction
It is demonic
[h=2]The Consecration of Russia[/h]
The Mother of God cautioned that if Her requests were not granted, "Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated."
True to Her word, Our Lady reappeared to Sister Lucy on June 13, 1929 at Tuy, Spain, when in a great and sublime vision representing the Blessed Trinity, She announced that “the moment has come for God to ask the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. By this means, He promises to save Russia.”
When God sent Our Lady to convey His command that Russia be consecrated, it seems clear that He expected swift obedience from the Pope and bishops. The pastors of the Church, however, chose to delay and, on August 19, 1931, Our Lord Himself appeared to Sister Lucy in Rianjo, Spain and expressed His displeasure, saying “make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution My command, they will follow him also into misfortune.”
Our Lord’s warning is a grave one indeed, referring as it does to His command, through St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, to the King of France that he consecrate his nation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The King chose to ignore the command and thus condemned his dynasty and throne to the horrors of revolution, chaos and the guillotine.
The Blessed Virgin’s request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message. While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady’s requests. In repeated visits to Sister Lucy, Heaven’s King and Queen have insisted that it is Russia (and Russia only) that is to be the object of this public act of obedience and prayer. In addition, Our Lord and Our Lady have indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses. Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII’s consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady’s Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
In response to Sister Lucy’s question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied “Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.”
For more information on the Consecration of RussiaPetition the Pope to consecrate Russia as Our Lady requested
I believe no body perfect, but catholic is so danger, because they believe Mary able to talk to us and give instruction
It is demonic
[h=2]The Consecration of Russia[/h]
“I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart… If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace.”
In the apparition of July 13, Our Lady warned the three seers that if people did not stop offending God, He would punish the world “by means of war, hunger and persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father,” using Russia as His chosen instrument of chastisement. She told the children that “to prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart” and promised that, by this single public act, Russia would be converted and peace would be given to the world. The Mother of God cautioned that if Her requests were not granted, "Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated."
When God sent Our Lady to convey His command that Russia be consecrated, it seems clear that He expected swift obedience from the Pope and bishops. The pastors of the Church, however, chose to delay and, on August 19, 1931, Our Lord Himself appeared to Sister Lucy in Rianjo, Spain and expressed His displeasure, saying “make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution My command, they will follow him also into misfortune.”
Our Lord’s warning is a grave one indeed, referring as it does to His command, through St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, to the King of France that he consecrate his nation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The King chose to ignore the command and thus condemned his dynasty and throne to the horrors of revolution, chaos and the guillotine.
The Blessed Virgin’s request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message. While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady’s requests. In repeated visits to Sister Lucy, Heaven’s King and Queen have insisted that it is Russia (and Russia only) that is to be the object of this public act of obedience and prayer. In addition, Our Lord and Our Lady have indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses. Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII’s consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady’s Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
In response to Sister Lucy’s question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied “Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.”
For more information on the Consecration of RussiaPetition the Pope to consecrate Russia as Our Lady requested
hi Allen,
I believe no body perfect, but catholic is so danger, because they believe Mary able to talk to us and give instruction
It is demonic
The Consecration of Russia
The Mother of God cautioned that if Her requests were not granted, "Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated."
True to Her word, Our Lady reappeared to Sister Lucy on June 13, 1929 at Tuy, Spain, when in a great and sublime vision representing the Blessed Trinity, She announced that “the moment has come for God to ask the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. By this means, He promises to save Russia.”
When God sent Our Lady to convey His command that Russia be consecrated, it seems clear that He expected swift obedience from the Pope and bishops. The pastors of the Church, however, chose to delay and, on August 19, 1931, Our Lord Himself appeared to Sister Lucy in Rianjo, Spain and expressed His displeasure, saying “make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution My command, they will follow him also into misfortune.”
Our Lord’s warning is a grave one indeed, referring as it does to His command, through St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, to the King of France that he consecrate his nation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The King chose to ignore the command and thus condemned his dynasty and throne to the horrors of revolution, chaos and the guillotine.
The Blessed Virgin’s request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message. While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady’s requests. In repeated visits to Sister Lucy, Heaven’s King and Queen have insisted that it is Russia (and Russia only) that is to be the object of this public act of obedience and prayer. In addition, Our Lord and Our Lady have indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses. Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII’s consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady’s Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
In response to Sister Lucy’s question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied “Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.”
For more information on the Consecration of RussiaPetition the Pope to consecrate Russia as Our Lady requested
I believe no body perfect, but catholic is so danger, because they believe Mary able to talk to us and give instruction
It is demonic
The Consecration of Russia
“I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart… If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace.”
In the apparition of July 13, Our Lady warned the three seers that if people did not stop offending God, He would punish the world “by means of war, hunger and persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father,” using Russia as His chosen instrument of chastisement. She told the children that “to prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart” and promised that, by this single public act, Russia would be converted and peace would be given to the world. The Mother of God cautioned that if Her requests were not granted, "Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated."
When God sent Our Lady to convey His command that Russia be consecrated, it seems clear that He expected swift obedience from the Pope and bishops. The pastors of the Church, however, chose to delay and, on August 19, 1931, Our Lord Himself appeared to Sister Lucy in Rianjo, Spain and expressed His displeasure, saying “make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution My command, they will follow him also into misfortune.”
Our Lord’s warning is a grave one indeed, referring as it does to His command, through St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, to the King of France that he consecrate his nation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The King chose to ignore the command and thus condemned his dynasty and throne to the horrors of revolution, chaos and the guillotine.
The Blessed Virgin’s request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message. While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady’s requests. In repeated visits to Sister Lucy, Heaven’s King and Queen have insisted that it is Russia (and Russia only) that is to be the object of this public act of obedience and prayer. In addition, Our Lord and Our Lady have indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses. Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII’s consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady’s Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
In response to Sister Lucy’s question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied “Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.”
For more information on the Consecration of RussiaPetition the Pope to consecrate Russia as Our Lady requested
Hello Wimmpy Pete
You said... """Some of us choose to pray the liturgy of the hours where 5 times a day we pray the psalms, have readings from the Old or New Testament as well as readings from the Church Fathers. Some of us choose to go to mass daily where we read at least 3 if not 4 readings from the Scriptures."""
And this is what one would expect from a religion which preaches works salvation.. People who believe that they must earn their place in eternity with God will pray 5 times a day ( like muslims do ) and go to church every day... There are a lot of religions around the world that teach that their adherents must Do do do to receive blessings from God.. It is basic human thinking.. If i am a good person who does good things then i will win others admonition and thus i will earn a place with them..
But as the scriptures say the thinking of men is not the same as the thinking of God .. What men think is right does not always align with what God thinks is right..
Proverbs 14: KJV
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
Isaiah 55: KJV
8 "¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. {9} For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
So all the deeds of religion common in the religions of this world are not worth a pinch of salt to the Perfect LORD of all Existence when it comes to being with Him in Eternity.. Because all our righteousness are as filthy rags to Him..
Isaiah 64: KJV
5 "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. {6} But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
So all these works of religion you are boasting about are not impressing me at all because i know that a lot of people who are works focused are on the path to eternal destruction Just like the Pharasse in the temple that Jesus spoke of..
Luke 18: KJV
10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. {11} The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. {12} I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. {13} And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. {14} I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
So all your catholic acts of religiosity all your days of obligations are worth nothing if you are not totally relying on what Jesus did to save you on the cross.. If you add your works to the Mix to put the leaven of the pharisees into your bread and spoil it..
""If it would be of any interest to you, you would be free to inqure about any single Catholic doctrine ""
No thanks.. I am a former catholic.. I was born into a catholic family and was a catholic for 20 years.. I went to a nunnery primary school and to a Marist brothers high/ college, I even did 10 years service as an altar boy and i know the hail Mary by heart and all the liturgical responses in the mass.. having only missed one Sunday mass in my life as a catholic.. So i have heard enough of that religion and it's traditions of men.. And if i thought the catholic religion was Christian i would have stayed in that religion.. So of course i do not believe catholisism is Christian at all..
Your opening post was all about you wanting to learn and understand protestant theology.. But it seems that was just a ruse.. Your intention was really to come here and preach catholicism because that's what you have turned this thread into.. All about catholicism. If you want to start a thread to preach catholicism then ok do so.. But maybe you should focus on this thread with your original topic.. That's if you where ever truly interested in understanding the original topic... which i doubt..
You said... """Some of us choose to pray the liturgy of the hours where 5 times a day we pray the psalms, have readings from the Old or New Testament as well as readings from the Church Fathers. Some of us choose to go to mass daily where we read at least 3 if not 4 readings from the Scriptures."""
And this is what one would expect from a religion which preaches works salvation.. People who believe that they must earn their place in eternity with God will pray 5 times a day ( like muslims do ) and go to church every day... There are a lot of religions around the world that teach that their adherents must Do do do to receive blessings from God.. It is basic human thinking.. If i am a good person who does good things then i will win others admonition and thus i will earn a place with them..
But as the scriptures say the thinking of men is not the same as the thinking of God .. What men think is right does not always align with what God thinks is right..
Proverbs 14: KJV
12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
Isaiah 55: KJV
8 "¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. {9} For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
So all the deeds of religion common in the religions of this world are not worth a pinch of salt to the Perfect LORD of all Existence when it comes to being with Him in Eternity.. Because all our righteousness are as filthy rags to Him..
Isaiah 64: KJV
5 "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. {6} But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
So all these works of religion you are boasting about are not impressing me at all because i know that a lot of people who are works focused are on the path to eternal destruction Just like the Pharasse in the temple that Jesus spoke of..
Luke 18: KJV
10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. {11} The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. {12} I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. {13} And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. {14} I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
So all your catholic acts of religiosity all your days of obligations are worth nothing if you are not totally relying on what Jesus did to save you on the cross.. If you add your works to the Mix to put the leaven of the pharisees into your bread and spoil it..
""If it would be of any interest to you, you would be free to inqure about any single Catholic doctrine ""
No thanks.. I am a former catholic.. I was born into a catholic family and was a catholic for 20 years.. I went to a nunnery primary school and to a Marist brothers high/ college, I even did 10 years service as an altar boy and i know the hail Mary by heart and all the liturgical responses in the mass.. having only missed one Sunday mass in my life as a catholic.. So i have heard enough of that religion and it's traditions of men.. And if i thought the catholic religion was Christian i would have stayed in that religion.. So of course i do not believe catholisism is Christian at all..
Your opening post was all about you wanting to learn and understand protestant theology.. But it seems that was just a ruse.. Your intention was really to come here and preach catholicism because that's what you have turned this thread into.. All about catholicism. If you want to start a thread to preach catholicism then ok do so.. But maybe you should focus on this thread with your original topic.. That's if you where ever truly interested in understanding the original topic... which i doubt..
There is nothing nitpicking in the catholic doctrine of the mass. We are not talking about a difference of opinion over the color of the carpets or the drapery.
I've been to too many masses and I am never comfortable when I'm there. Usually funeral masses or wedding masses and never without reservation about being present knowing the Holy Spirit is offended.
Jesus is completely right and the bible is without error. If any church is in contradiction to the Lord or the bible they have an obligation to correct their doctrine to align with the scripture and disavow tradition.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I've been to too many masses and I am never comfortable when I'm there. Usually funeral masses or wedding masses and never without reservation about being present knowing the Holy Spirit is offended.
Jesus is completely right and the bible is without error. If any church is in contradiction to the Lord or the bible they have an obligation to correct their doctrine to align with the scripture and disavow tradition.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Let me reapet why I do not believe catholic is christian
because catholic is demonic.
belive Mary and other saint able to come any time to give instraction.
insert demon as instructor in her teaching is very non christian
vatican promote one world government, it is antichrist government, the government that will kill and destroy Christian
Real Christian not kill Christian. It must repent or it not Christian
the ultimate goal of new world order is rebel again the Lord, promote nwo mean promote rebellion to the Lord, and it is not christian
because catholic is demonic.
belive Mary and other saint able to come any time to give instraction.
insert demon as instructor in her teaching is very non christian
vatican promote one world government, it is antichrist government, the government that will kill and destroy Christian
Real Christian not kill Christian. It must repent or it not Christian
the ultimate goal of new world order is rebel again the Lord, promote nwo mean promote rebellion to the Lord, and it is not christian
To me this is one of the biggest misunderstandings of what being a Christian even is. There is no "right church" to go to first of all. The body of reborn believers is the church, and when God opens your eyes you know that (I mean this in a general sense, not saying your eyes haven't been open, we can't know that, it's between the believer and God). He lets us know when we are saved. The organizations you are referring to are just what these groups of people profess to believe and some of them are closer to what God commands while others really shouldn't even have the name Christian attached to them.
The main point I'm making is that we are to be led to truth by God because only He has the power to lead us there, it's not what we think God says or "would think", but by what His Spirit that indwells us upon salvation leads us to. If you have no idea what I'm talking about and share this "everybody is right" kind of postmodern attitude, one I had before He truly saved me by the way so I'm not trying to put myself above anyone, then you most likely don't know Him yet. There is one truth and only Jesus can open the gate to that path. It is between you and God, the name on the sign in front of the building means very little as far as the "right church" is concerned. That's what I've been led to believe so far anyway, but what I do KNOW is God is very real and Jesus is His Son and the only way to bridge the gap between Himself and us that was made by original sin. You should be the church, how can you go to yourself when it is you?
The main point I'm making is that we are to be led to truth by God because only He has the power to lead us there, it's not what we think God says or "would think", but by what His Spirit that indwells us upon salvation leads us to. If you have no idea what I'm talking about and share this "everybody is right" kind of postmodern attitude, one I had before He truly saved me by the way so I'm not trying to put myself above anyone, then you most likely don't know Him yet. There is one truth and only Jesus can open the gate to that path. It is between you and God, the name on the sign in front of the building means very little as far as the "right church" is concerned. That's what I've been led to believe so far anyway, but what I do KNOW is God is very real and Jesus is His Son and the only way to bridge the gap between Himself and us that was made by original sin. You should be the church, how can you go to yourself when it is you?
I concur!
Many of us seem to feel God has only one single direction for all of us to be moving in. And we usually think it is the direction OUR group has chosen. I say, "Not necessarily so."
I say He has one ultimate destination for us all, but that He has most of us getting there by paths that, at varying times, appear to diverge and converge, thus spreading out and going in what may sometimes look like different directions, eventually reaching everyone He wants us to reach in what we think is our own esoteric choice of travel.
Some people would never associate with my church. And some people would never be drawn to yours. But, God knows all our hearts, and is reaching all of us with one of these odd congregations........ or even "individuals."
He never wanted just cookie-cutter followers. That is my belief.
Many of us seem to feel God has only one single direction for all of us to be moving in. And we usually think it is the direction OUR group has chosen. I say, "Not necessarily so."
I say He has one ultimate destination for us all, but that He has most of us getting there by paths that, at varying times, appear to diverge and converge, thus spreading out and going in what may sometimes look like different directions, eventually reaching everyone He wants us to reach in what we think is our own esoteric choice of travel.
Some people would never associate with my church. And some people would never be drawn to yours. But, God knows all our hearts, and is reaching all of us with one of these odd congregations........ or even "individuals."
He never wanted just cookie-cutter followers. That is my belief.