Not By Works

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All of us know what the life of a Christian looks like when Christ is being manifested in and through our lives.

Where the dis-connect comes is that works-based belief systems tries to "mandate" the fruit of the spirit in people and if they don't have the fruit that they have or think people should have in a given time - then they say that they are not saved or the anti-Christ doctrine that our loving Father throws His beloved children into hell and the lake of fire.

We are saved by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which is in us in our new creation. We are now learning how to walk by the spirit - which is our spirit in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit ( whom Jesus said would be in us forever - John 14:16 ).

Romans 5:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards God Himself, others and ourselves.

I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.

Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.

This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2

We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".

The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.

This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13


As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.
All your text is founded on a lie................................


THERE IS NO SUCH DENOMINATION AS A S A WORKS BASED SALVATIONIST...
 
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Really put down the shovel and listen carefully especially at the 16 minute mark , if you get a minute from tasks and toiling....

http://www.livinggodministries.net/living_god_ministries/radio_archive/audio_files/love_god_more.mp3
rEALLY CANT DO WITH AUDIO TEXT AND NO FACE ......................................PEOPLE CAN SAY WHAT THEY LIKE.....................YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT............


B,T.W To hold forgiven sins against someone is a crime............... TO HOLD SINS AGAINST YOU THAT YOU HAVE NO INTENSIONS OF REPENTING FOR IS NOT,,,,,,,,,,
 

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let it out and go with it like accepting the love OF God and going with it.. accepting the truth and moving on...


To accept the truth for most the perception will be im not believing coz i havent seen or been told directly...

but i say accepting the reality that the closer you draw to God the closer he will to you,,,,,,,,, my biggest perception of this is hoping for salvation ,,, it really does seem to open the comunication barrier for me..
Continue to draw close to God and he will draw close to you.
We all want to draw close to God, thruth is he so close to us, he is us and loves us. We just need to acknowledge it and trust in it.

We all walk in a different way but with one goal.

To be like Jesus.

If that's our purpose and our goal, God will bring it to fruition.

God bless you friend.
 
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A son by birth will always be as on by birth.....the funny thing....our Spiritual birth is based upon INCORRUPTABLE SEED.......something that is INCORRUPTABLE is past the ability to be CORRUPTED by ANYTHING....
SO YOU CAN NEVER BE CORRUPTED BY A LIE..................... FROM ANYONE AT ANY TIME...


What your saying is that you will never believe a lie from anyone never ever yopu will allways see through lies..


there for you will never get riiped off or cheated....

are you really God ?
 
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Continue to draw close to God and he will draw close to you.
We all want to draw close to God, thruth is he so close to us, he is us and loves us. We just need to acknowledge it and trust in it.

We all walk in a different way but with one goal.

To be like Jesus.

If that's our purpose and our goal, God will bring it to fruition.

God bless you friend.
Hes as close as you want him to be... could you reframe and be take a step back when your sieving and blazing with anger ?
 

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Hes as close as you want him to be... could you reframe and be take a step back when your sieving and blazing with anger ?
Oh Jimbo why o why?

I ask you to quote posts when I have been sieving and blazing with anger, it seems to you that is what I have done with you.
I acknowledge that I did get angry with you when you attacked me and I did apologise for doing so.

If you can do that then I reframe as you ask.

You seem to have a real downer on me.

Tonight all I have done is try to reach out.
 
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Jesus sais if someone asks you to carry a backpack for 1 mile you should offer to carry it for them for two miles..... meaning it doesnt matter how heavy it is you should turn the other cheek.... coz youll see who your friends are when you collaspe under the strain of the back pack....:)
 
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Oh Jimbo why o why?

I ask you to quote posts when I have been sieving and blazing with anger, it seems to you that is what I have done with you.
I acknowledge that I did get angry with you when you attacked me and I did apologise for doing so.

If you can do that then I reframe as you ask.

You seem to have a real downer on me.

Tonight all I have done is try to reach out.
noo billy lad you always assume its about you... its ok mate i understand you have been wrongly accused befor today...

i was talking about me billy lad when i felt proud for walking away and being poilite when i was raging with anger.. believe and recieve..........................................


i hope your ok on this summers day where ive been getting roasted in a confined space.... could you help me sir
 
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All your text is founded on a lie................................


THERE IS NO SUCH DENOMINATION AS A S A WORKS BASED SALVATIONIST...

How do you reply to this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^sure there is......!
 
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SO YOU CAN NEVER BE CORRUPTED BY A LIE..................... FROM ANYONE AT ANY TIME...


What your saying is that you will never believe a lie from anyone never ever yopu will allways see through lies..


there for you will never get riiped off or cheated....

are you really God ?
No, what I am saying is the seed we are born of is INCORRUPTABLE....you need a course on comprehension bro!
 
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How do you reply to this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^sure there is......!

It is sad, they disguise it so it does not look like works, call it something else, and then say it is not.. So people are fooled into thinking there is not..
 
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1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Righteousness is as righteousness does,and the outward appearance of sin does corrupt us,and love does not think an evil thought,and does not rejoice in iniquity,and love is the fulfilling of the law.

If they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,they will sin,and if they do not repent of it,then they are corrupt until they get rid of it.

If a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,which they are not under the law,but if they hold unto sin the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,and they are under the law.

Thinking and doing sin corrupts a person that claims Christ,for the man Christ Jesus had to conduct Himself a certain way,and us being human have to do the same thing.
 
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I disagree, works is a RESULT of salvation, not a required part,

a child of God will work, there is not a question of if that, is what john is saying,

the reason a person who lives in sin has never seen God is because he has never been born of God,

He reason we say a person who has no work has dead faith is because faith works, work in a natural result of faith. If on claims to have faith but has no work, has deceived himself,

The way. See it, is When we say works are required and not a direct result of salvation is to say one must save themselves, and that the result of his works, his wage, or his reward, is salvation. Whether he says works saved, r is just to maintain salvation is no different, the end result is a works based gospel.
this is reality you and everyone else is always going to fall short untill you learn the error of your ways.... and you and me and everyone else is never going to stop there anger or hate untill they have had the fear or love of God put in to them or confronted face to face with a firm rebuke the minute you step out of line...


so therefor you me everyone will only do right if there taught right and loved right ... tell me do you love enough and and are you forgiving enough to never ever condem someone to hell ????????????????
 

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noo billy lad you always assume its about you... its ok mate i understand you have been wrongly accused befor today...

i was talking about me billy lad when i felt proud for walking away and being poilite when i was raging with anger.. believe and recieve..........................................


i hope your ok on this summers day where ive been getting roasted in a confined space.... could you help me sir
I would like to say that I hope I don't thinks it's all about me.
If that's the case I ask for anyone who thinks that to let me know.
If that's the case I will try to change.

Jimo thank God and be pleased when you walk in his ways. God said "This is my son with whom I am well pleased"

I am with you and not against you.
Will you believe that and accept that?
 
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No, what I am saying is the seed we are born of is INCORRUPTABLE....you need a course on comprehension bro!
you dont have a seed until its planted... as well you know some seeds devolop in to fruit baring plants,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and others wither and rot..........
 
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Me

I would like to say that I hope I don't thinks it's all about me.
If that's the case I ask for anyone who thinks that to let me know.
If that's the case I will try to change.

Jimo thank God and be pleased when you walk in his ways. God said "This is my son with whom I am well pleased"

I am with you and not against you.
Will you believe that and accept that?
yeah i can but can you ?
 
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Why is there this many pages of debate over salvation being "not of works"?

Last time I checked Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 4:5 were in the Bible still. That should end the debate right there. Past that you are just arguing against Scriptures and there is no place for that, you are fighting the wind, a hurricane wind at that.
actually 2 verses does not make up the whole bible you should remember that befor you falsely accuse people of being argumentive........ Besides some arguments are wellcomed by the lord
 
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Originally Posted by Bogadile

Why is there this many pages of debate over salvation being "not of works"?

Last time I checked Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 4:5 were in the Bible still. That should end the debate right there. Past that you are just arguing against Scriptures and there is no place for that, you are fighting the wind, a hurricane wind at that.




Stick around and you will find out why
so stick around and youll find out that where haters argumentitive and no good and all that jazz... nice pal and nice hatred from your part...