CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[Gabriel2020]

If ye be judged, or judge, judge by the word of God only.

 

[Rockrz]

take it up with, ware the law of your land,came from in the first place, and when your at it, ask who put that law in place in your land, since the usa was not discover till 1610 ad , then man must have put your law of the land in place. unlike the jewish, the law of there land was given to them by god. coping someone elses law is not your law,

What does this have to do with whether Christians should support gay marriage or not???

Nuthin!

OK, so get back on yer meds and come back tomorrow and post something that is related to the topic being discussed.

we just need to remember that and don't become judges

God has already spoken His judgement on sinful lifestyles such as this as well as walking after the flesh... He said those doing these things shall not enter in to His Kingdom.

So, those saying what God said about this are not judging... God's Word judges.

 

[slave]

If ye be judged, or judge, judge by the word of God only.

But never lose the other Scriptures that go along with the demeanor we are to have in Christ. We are never set-apart to judge outside of Christ for the purposes of Christ. God doesn't back human conclusion based on His Word, He delegates spiritual discernment for the purposes of loving someone rightly so.(Always wrapped in love).

 

[Rockrz]

Always wrapped in love

Yes, and sometimes that means turning over the money changers tables which at first glance seems to be very rude and not something being done in love...

 

[willfollowsGod]

Now it is 14 people who say a mature Christian can support same-sex marriage. That is not true. According to Jesus in Matthew and Mark where he is quoting from Genesis, marriage is between one man and one woman, husband and wife. According to Galatians 1, those who teach the gay theology and tell others to accept it or else, are condemned by God's wrath until they repent (change their mind, hearts, ways, etc) and accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for their sins, and rose again on the third day. Thanks. God bless and God bless America!

 

[Gabriel2020]

There is such a thing as weak Christian, those that are afraid to stand up and speak the truth of God's word. Scripture says preach without fear.

 

[MrStevish]

First of all what does God speak about on the subject of homosexuality in the Holy Bible? What does God specifically speak about on the subject of marriage? The answers are in the Holy Bible.

 

[MrStevish]

1 Corinthians 7 English Standard Version (ESV)​

Principles for Marriage

7 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
6 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this.[a] 7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband 11 (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.
12 To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. 13 If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you[b] to peace. 16 For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Live as You Are Called

17 Only let each person lead the life[c] that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches.18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. 19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. 20 Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. 21 Were you a bondservant[d] when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) 22 For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. 23 You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men. 24 So, brothers,[e] in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.

The Unmarried and the Widowed

25 Now concerning[f] the betrothed,[g] I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.26 I think that in view of the present[h] distress it is good for a person to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman[i] marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. 29 This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, 30 and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, 31 and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.
32 I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. 33 But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, 34 and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. 35 I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord.
36 If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his betrothed,[j] if his[k] passions are strong, and it has to be, let him do as he wishes: let them marry—it is no sin. 37 But whoever is firmly established in his heart, being under no necessity but having his desire under control, and has determined this in his heart, to keep her as his betrothed, he will do well. 38 So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.
39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.40 Yet in my judgment she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God.


Footnotes:

1. 1 Corinthians 7:6 Or I say this:
2. 1 Corinthians 7:15 Some manuscripts us
3. 1 Corinthians 7:17 Or each person walk in the way
4. 1 Corinthians 7:21 For the contextual rendering of the Greek word doulos, see Preface; also verses 22 (twice), 23
5. 1 Corinthians 7:24 Or brothers and sisters; also verse 29
6. 1 Corinthians 7:25 The expression Now concerning introduces a reply to a question in the Corinthians' letter; see 7:1
7. 1 Corinthians 7:25 Greek virgins
8. 1 Corinthians 7:26 Or impending
9. 1 Corinthians 7:28 Greek virgin; also verse 34
10. 1 Corinthians 7:36 Greek virgin; also verses 37, 38
11. 1 Corinthians 7:36 Or her

 

[MrStevish]

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Timothy 1:10
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Personally I don't support gay marriage. I have 2 friends of mine that got "married"...they were not Christian to my knowledge altho one was an altar boy in a Catholic church...what ever that means in real life.

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

For the "believers" that say it's ok to lead a gay lifestyle I would say that they have a "confused" identity and I would teach them the gospel as well. It's obvious by what they are doing that they don't know what happened to them when they came to Christ. I think the elders in their lives need to sit down with them and teach them the grace of Christ and in some cases to reprove them in this error.

This needs to be done under the direction of the Holy Spirit as He knows exactly what to do with each person individually. Sometimes people are caught up in sin and don't know how to address it and thus out of frustration they make "excuses" for it because of all their confusion. These need to be taught the truth of who they are in Christ - others may need to be " delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...this needs to be done by a "spiritual elder"...and seems to be a very rare case in the N.T.

The true grace of the gospel of Christ "teaches" us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live godly in this present age. The final answer to me is to preach Jesus to them.

So you're saying if someone is actively homosexual and Christian they can't be mature Christians? They must always be taught? Things changed after Christ died, things that were not okay now are. You eat pork don't you? I'm sure if you're such a good Christian you know what a sin it was in the old testament.

I am not trying to be mean or belittle you, I'm simply pointing out things you said that I personally believe to be incorrect, I hope as believers we can agree to disagree, if not it's okay, we can simply not communicate.

 

[FlSnookman7]

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Timothy 1:10
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

So....you never lie?? ever?? These scriptures refer to what we were before we became the new creation in Christ that we now are. I don't pretend to have all the answers but whenever I see people arguing about why what they perceive to be their sins are not as bad as someone else's I often remember a favorite verse of mine.

Philippians 2:12King James Version (KJV)

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Notice it says work out your OWN salvation.....shalom.

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

So....you never lie?? ever?? These scriptures refer to what we were before we became the new creation in Christ that we now are. I don't pretend to have all the answers but whenever I see people arguing about why what they perceive to be their sins are not as bad as someone else's I often remember a favorite verse of mine.

Philippians 2:12King James Version (KJV)

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Notice it says work out your OWN salvation.....shalom.

My friend, I've studied translation, and let me tell you converting the Hebrew words used in those verses to homosexual was irresponsible, an accurate translation would point out that the reason homosexuality was an issue was because people in the very same town had sex with the same gender to please the 'gods' I remember a verse referring to a town where women who didn't wear a veil were seen as postitutes, as such Paul told them to wear veils, not because God didn't want them to show their faces, because if his followers looked like prostitutes people would assume and it would make it very hard to teach the gospel looking like a prostitute? Yep. So believe me I know these verses, I just also studied accurate translation. Not with a liberal or conservative agenda, I wanted to know what the Bible really means, not just about Homosexuality.

 

[PennEd]

So you're saying if someone is actively homosexual and Christian they can't be mature Christians? They must always be taught? Things changed after Christ died, things that were not okay now are. You eat pork don't you? I'm sure if you're such a good Christian you know what a sin it was in the old testament.

I am not trying to be mean or belittle you, I'm simply pointing out things you said that I personally believe to be incorrect, I hope as believers we can agree to disagree, if not it's okay, we can simply not communicate.

Gosh! I can't believe I'm going to side with those that are always pushing the dangers of licentiousness, and those that promote it, but this is about as close to that particular perversion of the Gospel as I've seen on CC.

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Gosh! I can't believe I'm going to side with those that are always pushing the dangers of licentiousness, and those that promote it, but this is about as close to that particular perversion of the Gospel as I've seen on CC.

You know I joined this place with no intent to argue, but I feel like if I, the homosexual, argues I'll be kicked out, while you, the heterosexual can argue freely. I've seen old posts, and I've seen how users with different beliefs have been attacked. Don't think you won, I just refuse to get myself banned because I met some very nice people who can agree to disagree. I've been welcomed by some but scolded by others. Honestly, the Bible is so complex, I guarantee you're wrong about something, as am I, I'm sure. I think the issue is that you think of homosexuals as sassy gross individuals who lack self control. Like I said when I introduced myself, please agree to disagree so we can avoid arguments.

 

[tourist]

You know I joined this place with no intent to argue, but I feel like if I, the homosexual, argues I'll be kicked out, while you, the heterosexual can argue freely. I've seen old posts, and I've seen how users with different beliefs have been attacked. Don't think you won, I just refuse to get myself banned because I met some very nice people who can agree to disagree. I've been welcomed by some but scolded by others. Honestly, the Bible is so complex, I guarantee you're wrong about something, as am I, I'm sure. I think the issue is that you think of homosexuals as sassy gross individuals who lack self control. Like I said when I introduced myself, please agree to disagree so we can avoid arguments.

I'm sure that most of us have been wrong at least once about one thing or another regarding the bible. I personally believe that all members of this community should be respected regardless of their own personal beliefs or practices that they feel in their heart are correct in the eyes of God.

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Thank you very much for your understanding.

 

[PennEd]

You know I joined this place with no intent to argue, but I feel like if I, the homosexual, argues I'll be kicked out, while you, the heterosexual can argue freely. I've seen old posts, and I've seen how users with different beliefs have been attacked. Don't think you won, I just refuse to get myself banned because I met some very nice people who can agree to disagree. I've been welcomed by some but scolded by others. Honestly, the Bible is so complex, I guarantee you're wrong about something, as am I, I'm sure. I think the issue is that you think of homosexuals as sassy gross individuals who lack self control. Like I said when I introduced myself, please agree to disagree so we can avoid arguments.

Yeah.. Disagreement doesn't equate to attack or disrespect. And I can tell you that I was probably a worse sinner than you'll ever be. And daily I need the Blood of Christ and His Grace.
But I will NOT try to justify my sin by saying it isn't sin, or Jesus died for me so I can live a sinful lifestyle.

A saved Christian is someone who confesses Jesus with their tongue and believes in their heart that God raised Him to life after 3 days according to the Scriptures.

Now you say you are a Christian. Who am I to say you aren't. But after your very FIRST hour here YOU actively sought out a thread on homosexuality that hasn't been commented on in over 2 weeks!
Why?

I would submit you ARE here to either argue the point, OR justify in your own mind that homosexuality is ok with God, even though you know it isn't.

You probably don't believe me, but I DO love you, and you call yourself a sister in the Lord. So maybe the Lord IS trying to call you out of a lifestyle you have desperately been trying to justify.

REMEMBER. I can disagree with you, and SIMULTANEOUSLY love you.

May His Peace rule in your life!

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Yeah.. Disagreement doesn't equate to attack or disrespect. And I can tell you that I was probably a worse sinner than you'll ever be. And daily I need the Blood of Christ and His Grace.
But I will NOT try to justify my sin by saying it isn't sin, or Jesus died for me so I can live a sinful lifestyle.

A saved Christian is someone who confesses Jesus with their tongue and believes in their heart that God raised Him to life after 3 days according to the Scriptures.

Now you say you are a Christian. Who am I to say you aren't. But after your very FIRST hour here YOU actively sought out a thread on homosexuality that hasn't been commented on in over 2 weeks!
Why?

I would submit you ARE here to either argue the point, OR justify in your own mind that homosexuality is ok with God, even though you know it isn't.

You probably don't believe me, but I DO love you, and you call yourself a sister in the Lord. So maybe the Lord IS trying to call you out of a lifestyle you have desperately been trying to justify.

REMEMBER. I can disagree with you, and SIMULTANEOUSLY love you.

May His Peace rule in your life!

You're right, I did look up homosexuality to gage how people felt, I didn't intend to post but I guess I did get a bit offended, which is wrong on my part. I just wanted to know how things are around here, guess I let a few posts I disagreed with upsetting. It's mostly because I've always had trouble making Christian friends, and I honestly fear rejection. I'm an odd one, Christian and activily homosexual (When I say active I don't mean dating or... Sex, I mean I am at this point willing to date someone of the same sex. )

Oh, well maybe I'm more pansexual, I say homosexual because most people on here probably wouldn't know what pansexual means. I lean towards women but I've liked a few guys romantically, I've liked a few transgender people. Hah, but the transgender one's got upset when I said I voted Trump, eventually they apologized, knowing I myself am kinda one of the letters in LGBT, obviously I wasn't out to hurt any homosexual, trans or otherwise, I'd gain nothing. That's another reason I'm scared of rejection. It's hard to be a pro LGBT Christian who is independent politically but leans way towards Republicans..

I don't believe in calling myself Republican because I believe in voting based on person not party, but since I really dislike most Democrats I'm mostly for Republicans. I know there are a lot of gay Republicans but they're mostly over thirty, and I'm in college. Another issue I ran into is when my friend asked me to join them in a anti hate speech rally, which turned out to just be screaming about a few conservative teachers. When I said I wanted no part of this gross insanity I lost a few friends, but other's understood I just don't think screaming and sobbing in public fixes things.

Honestly, apart from being pro LGBT I probably share a lot of beliefs and opinions with people here.

 

[PennEd]

You're right, I did look up homosexuality to gage how people felt, I didn't intend to post but I guess I did get a bit offended, which is wrong on my part. I just wanted to know how things are around here, guess I let a few posts I disagreed with upsetting. It's mostly because I've always had trouble making Christian friends, and I honestly fear rejection. I'm an odd one, Christian and activily homosexual (When I say active I don't mean dating or... Sex, I mean I am at this point willing to date someone of the same sex. )

Oh, well maybe I'm more pansexual, I say homosexual because most people on here probably wouldn't know what pansexual means. I lean towards women but I've liked a few guys romantically, I've liked a few transgender people. Hah, but the transgender one's got upset when I said I voted Trump, eventually they apologized, knowing I myself am kinda one of the letters in LGBT, obviously I wasn't out to hurt any homosexual, trans or otherwise, I'd gain nothing. That's another reason I'm scared of rejection. It's hard to be a pro LGBT Christian who is independent politically but leans way towards Republicans..

I don't believe in calling myself Republican because I believe in voting based on person not party, but since I really dislike most Democrats I'm mostly for Republicans. I know there are a lot of gay Republicans but they're mostly over thirty, and I'm in college. Another issue I ran into is when my friend asked me to join them in a anti hate speech rally, which turned out to just be screaming about a few conservative teachers. When I said I wanted no part of this gross insanity I lost a few friends, but other's understood I just don't think screaming and sobbing in public fixes things.

Honestly, apart from being pro LGBT I probably share a lot of beliefs and opinions with people here.

Thank you for your honesty, and I'm sorry for trying to guess your motives. If you have accepted Jesus, I'm confidant the Holy Spirit will work this issue out in your heart.

I for one am not kidding when I say I love you. So welcome! And enjoy fellowship!

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Thank you for your honesty, and I'm sorry for trying to guess your motives. If you have accepted Jesus, I'm confidant the Holy Spirit will work this issue out in your heart.

I for one am not kidding when I say I love you. So welcome! And enjoy fellowship!

Thank you. I will say this, I know I'm saved. But never once have I felt as if God wanted me to change my sexuality, or if he was against me potentially being with a woman. The only times I've ever felt guilty was when others tried guilt me, mostly in youth group. I wasn't out of the closest but they did a whole themed month, so four youth group meetings to talk about LGBT... That was one of major times I felt guilty. It wasn't that I couldn't handle opinions about it was how the youth pastor went on and on about how if you were actively any of these things you'd upset God, and how Jesus would be so disappointed. You may agree, but I'm sure you agree guilting people is no way to go about these things.

As I am, I do not feel God asking me to change, if you hope I do change I understand, you don't agree that it's a perfectly healthy lifestyle (If lived well, any lifestyle can become sinful, even heterosexual ones.) And I think it comes down to you believing I can't live a truly joyful life the way I am, and it's nice you want the best for people, so do I. We just differ a bit on what things are best, but as long as we are faithful and listen to God, and agree his son died and accept his gift we can worship him as one.