The Prosperity Theology or Prosperity Gospel

[Rosinsky]

Phil,

I honestly do not care what preachers believe, specially if they are preaching something false. But honestly, I have never watched an evangelist preaching on the theology of prosperity. We do have evidences of some Godly men of God who were wealthy. I believe that it is wrong to assert that every child of God should be wealthy. I do not read that from my bible. However, I do read that the righteous shall prosper and this is repeated in several verses in the bible.

It seems to me that because you have seen many preachers who preach things that the bible does not, you are failing to see what the bible actually does teach. Would you not agree? I have been very clear and consistent in what I believe. I have claimed that prosperity means to be prosperous in all aspects in life. I have not quoted any preachers because I believe in what the bible has to say and not what some preacher preaches.

It seems that it is you who have been pretty adamant of health and wealth. I ignore that because 1) this has nothing to do with the theology of prosperity, 2) I do not see it in my bible, and 3) I do not believe in the notion that every child of God should become rich. This has been your prospective as well as others.

"What exactly is it you believe, you still have been very coy in revealing what you deep down believe."

As I said, I have been very clear and precise of what I believe. I am not sure where you get the notion of me being very coy in revealing what I deep down believe. Do you know something that I don't? I will tell you again, this is what I believe deep down: it is God's will for every believer to prosper in all aspects in life and yes that does include financial prosperity. However, I disagree with the notion that financial prosperity means you will be wealthy.

"so was Jesus financially well off? what about most of the prophets? what about John the Baptist i really feel sorry for him he had nothing except a leather belt, a bit of camel hair flung round him, and an ole pair of sandals.. what a sinner he was, and not to have wealth! he really was a wretch he obviously was'nt in right standing with God... there must have been something wrong with his spiritual life."

Then we have the Apostle paul obviously another man who was not close to God he was poor and worked hard for he got, what a terrible wretch he must have been obviously not close to God, and he had an affliction.. so Paul must have been a great pretender.. no money and illness, wow he must have been in a spiritual depression, God certainly wasn't blessing him?

Was Jesus financially well off? I do not know - scriptures do not say. However, I can assert that He was not poor. Was John the baptist? Most likely, and it was most likely by choice. It seems to me that one of the reasons why you, though not the bible, are against the teaching that God wants every believer to prosper in all aspect in life is because you fear that if one does not prosper, then it means he was not in good standing with God. If this is your fear, then I would kindly suggest that you seek understanding instead of dismissing a biblical truth. I do not see any biblical evidence that suggest that teaches such things. However, I do maintain that if a believer is not being prosperous in all aspects in his life then he should seek to know why.


Well as I say rosinsky, what do you actually believe? you have rehashed that you believe God will prosper his Children.

At this point, I am going to ask you to tell me since you seem adamant to know what I believe better than I do.

 

[lovespeace123]

The Bible calls wealth deceitful and it has many many many many many agents. Teachings about wealth are creating urban/suburban sprawl and decreasing people's great faith in God. Jesus' sheep hear his voice. I won't assert to know who His sheep are and who are not, but if a men endeavours to be rich, let him.

The Bible makes it clear that:

James 2:5 - Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE that wealth is not the anti-God, but rather the anti-faith. The Bible makes it clear that we are to call nothing evil, but Christ rested with the poor, not the rich. If you discern his heart, you see that it is more with the poor than the rich. This is the revelation throughout scripture. It's about faith in GOD and doing what pleases God, for with faith we please God and with great faith, we really please God.

Sam

 

[phil36]

Hi Rosinsky, one last reply then i must go to bed.

Thank you for your lengthy reply, However you answered my statements well, not very acurately but you did so. However you still have not clarified how you would define prosperity gospel?

Just as a point of reference for you, you say i live in fear, yet i would say i am Healthy (so does my Doctor lol) I am not poor (financially) nor poor spiritually, but i do abhor any gospel that teaches and focus's on Gifts rather than what really matters. oh yes forgot to say, I have a good Job with good benefits, but it still makes me ill to the p;it of my stomach when living in the grace of God all we can think about are gifts.

Anyhow what i am trying to say to you what makes a Christian? and if a christian brother or sister is poor and ill, does this mean they do not have a good standing before God. Now i would like you to answer that question, you have above but i really want you to be real clear on you r stance.

secondly i find it hard to believe that you thought of this prosperity gospel all on your own??? as you dont listen to preachers or many preachers, i would assume that means you have not read up on the subject? Bearing in Mind the prosperity or Health/wealth & prosperity gospel has been around for a while now and spreading like a disease.



And well said Lovespeace123.

Humbly yours

phil

 

[KingdomGeneration]

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:6-9

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
1 Corinthians 15:1-4

We are the sinners, Jesus is the Savior! That is the gospel! All other gospels are perversions of the true gospel. Jesus warned about the LAKE OF FIRE numerous times in his ministry. He WARNED them that it would be the most terrible place than man could ever be!(ie: Matthew 18:9) We are vile and deserve everlasting torment in the lake of fire for offended an all just God! The gospel deals with the fact that God provided a way for sinners to escape the fires of hell. The gospel declares that by believing in Christ as our Savior(trusting Him) we can be saved! It's by His precious blood we are saved!

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7

So in essence, this thread is speaking about another gospel(ie: prosperity gospel) as evidenced by these Scriptures....A gospel that has NO power whatsoever in saving souls...This thread is a waste of space IMO. And yes I am greatly offended, because the precious gospel is the key to a sinner coming to Christ, and if they believe another gospel, they are headed to the lake of fire for ETERNITY!

If you want to teach "prosperity theology" then by all means teach it to your hearts content. But get rid of "prosperity gospel" because it is a false gospel found nowhere in the Word of God. There is much mention in Scripture of the "gospel of Jesus Christ" but not ONE on the "gospel of prosperity".

Leading people to a false gospel will cost them their eternity:

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

RK-

In order to fulfill the "great commission", Jesus clearly gives us two basic instructions. Preach the "good news" (salvation) to all the world and to disciple. The first instruction opens the door to eternal life through Jesus Christ. The second instruction insures that the new believer maintains a healthy relationship with Christ and does not follow after false gospels.

I feel one of the biggest problems we face today is a serious lack of discipleship. The church does a great job of getting folks "saved" but we do a terrible job at keep them that way and statistics prove that. The last time I checked, I believe it was 85% of all reported conversions fail to withstand the test of time as little as a year later. Why?

Lack of true discipleship.

The concept of sowing and reaping as it pertains to the health of our christian walk is a basic truth, yet it has been twisted so that others can profit from it. If the majority of believers were discipled properly to begin with, we would not even be having this conversation right now.

My point is, while spreading the "good news" of the saving grace of Jesus is of the utter most importance, we can not afford to underestimate the importance of discipleship. Isn't that why the bible instructs believers not to forsake the gathering together of the saints? The bottom line is that discipleship is every bit as important as evangelism.

 

[Rosinsky]

Hi Rosinsky, one last reply then i must go to bed.

Thank you for your lengthy reply, However you answered my statements well, not very acurately but you did so. However you still have not clarified how you would define prosperity gospel?

Seems like I beat you to bed!

In response to your question, did you not read the first post? I said and I quote "The prosperity gospel teaches that God wants every believer to be successful in all aspect in life whether it be spiritual, health, material, academic, relationship, etc... It is the will of God for the believer to prosper." It seems that I did clarify this from the very beginning of this topic.

I don't think I did a very good job when I used the word fear. Let me try to explain better. I was not making an assumption that you live in fear. I do not know anything about you personally and even if you did live in fear, it would have no importance in discussing this topic. I was saying that you are refusing the biblical stands on the theology gospel because of the fear(perhaps a very bad word choice) that one would equate a christian's relationship with God based on his/her personal success.

I said:

It seems to me that one of the reasons why you, though not the bible, are against the teaching that God wants every believer to prosper in all aspect in life is because you fear that if one does not prosper, then it means he was not in good standing with God. If this is your fear, then I would kindly suggest that you seek understanding instead of dismissing a biblical truth. I do not see any biblical evidence that suggest that teaches such things. However, I do maintain that if a believer is not being prosperous in all aspects in his life then he should seek to know why.

Here's the problem with equating one's personal success with spiritual growth. First, the scripture says that the righteous shall prosper in all that he does. The bible (some where in psalms) says that there is none righteous. Second, in Romans, it becomes clear that through Jesus Christ, we are made righteous. Becoming right with Christ is not a product of our own doing but simply because of what Christ had done. Through acceptance of Jesus Christ as the son of God in your life, you are made righteous. In order words, you did not "do" anything to become righteous. The only reason why you've become righteous is because made you and God declares you to be. If this is the case, then your personal success has nothing to do with how close you are to God.

NOTE: Since I am simply posting a quick response, I did not include any verse. Let me know if you need me to include them.

Anyhow what i am trying to say to you what makes a Christian? and if a christian brother or sister is poor and ill, does this mean they do not have a good standing before God. Now i would like you to answer that question, you have above but i really want you to be real clear on you r stance.

What makes someone a Christian is simply his/her belief in Jesus Christ as his/her master - Nothing more and nothing less. As far as prosperity theology goes, if a brother or sister is poor, ill, etc... it has absolutely nothing to do with his/her stance with God. I have said that he/she must seek to find out why. Just like Paul, who was in good standing with God, was ill with his in the flesh. He sought to find out why and God told him that His grace was sufficient for him. I would add "at that time" since there is a possibility that Paul's thorn of the flesh was healed later in his life. Like Paul, if we find ourseves in a position where were are not being prosperous, we ought to seek to find out why instead of rejecting a very basic biblical teaching.

secondly i find it hard to believe that you thought of this prosperity gospel all on your own??? as you dont listen to preachers or many preachers, i would assume that means you have not read up on the subject? Bearing in Mind the prosperity or Health/wealth & prosperity gospel has been around for a while now and spreading like a disease.

I did not "think of this all my myself," I did however find that it is God's will for a believer to prosper in all that he does through reading the Word of God. This finding, however, was not established within a framework of "doctrine" or under any title umbrella. I was introduced to the theology of prosperity in several classes in great length, one of which was the Theology of Social Justice. This class had an emphasis on helping the poor and the need for Christians to be socially active. We also discussed the negative impact some false preachers who preached the theology of prosperity had on the Christian society. For instance, some even claimed that it is a sin for a Christian to be poor. Others abuse it by tricking believers into giving (not that there is anything wrong with giving, but it is wrong to trick believers into giving).

I hope this clears up whatever you are not clear on as far as I am concerned.

 

[Rosinsky]

... i would assume that means you have not read up on the subject?

This assumption would be wrong. Although I have not watched a televangelist on TV talking about this theology, I have researched this topic and have seen a couple of clips online. My research shows that not one of those who preach the true of the theology of prosperity never say anything about the popular critics have said. In fact, they maintained a very simple definition: it is God's will for the christian to prosper in all aspects in life. Now any reference to financial gain, becoming rich/wealthy, etc... are the product of what those who oppose to this view have claimed.

As it shows here, all of those who have responded in opposition of the theology gospel have one way or another mentioned wealth.

 

[BLC]

One can believe in the prosperity of all believers, another can oppose that teaching, but if both believe that God has called them to bear fruit by abiding in Christ, let them bear fruit and not put a stumbling block in their brother's way. Why criticize your brother that believes in prosperity when God has said, be it unto you according to your faith (Mt 9:29). If you do not believe, be it unto you according to your faith as well. Let every man be fully persuaded in their own mind (Rom 14:5). It is not leaven or false doctrine to believe God for those things that are freely given to us by God, including prosperity (1Cor 2:12). Walk together in the things that you agree concerning bearing fruit and leave off the things that you don't in terms of prosperity. This way there will be no divisions among you and you will not be removed from the simplicity that is in Christ. Preach the gospel, bear fruit, make disciples of all men and walk in love (Eph 5:2). When believers break bread it is to remember our Saviour's body that was broken and the blood that was shed, so that we can have communion with our Father and fellowship with one another through Christ.

 

[roaringkitten]

KingfomGeneration, I explained the Great Commission and the gospel in a thread I wrote called "The importance of sharing your faith(evangelism)"...yeah I agree it is about 1)evangelism. 2)discipleship

Rosk......perhaps it may just be a misunderstanding.......I said that you made the very word "gospel" as interchangeable in your topic title......The problem I have with it deals with the fact that "gospel" as it is pertaining to the "gospel of our Lord Jesus", is NOT interchangeable with "prosperity"......In other words, if your statement of "prosperity gospel" means material wealth, then you in fact have created more than one gospel.......Get rid of "gospel" as part of "prosperity gospel" and keep "prosperity theology"........We are RICH in knowing Christ.....But there is ONE gospel! And that is the one preached in the Word of God!

 

[Rosinsky]

KingfomGeneration, I explained the Great Commission and the gospel in a thread I wrote called "The importance of sharing your faith(evangelism)"...yeah I agree it is about 1)evangelism. 2)discipleship

Rosk......perhaps it may just be a misunderstanding.......I said that you made the very word "gospel" as interchangeable in your topic title......The problem I have with it deals with the fact that "gospel" as it is pertaining to the "gospel of our Lord Jesus", is NOT interchangeable with "prosperity"......In other words, if your statement of "prosperity gospel" means material wealth, then you in fact have created more than one gospel.......Get rid of "gospel" as part of "prosperity gospel" and keep "prosperity theology"........We are RICH in knowing Christ.....But there is ONE gospel! And that is the one preached in the Word of God!

What am I missing here? Have you read anything I have said from the first post to my last?

 

[roaringkitten]

Yes I have Rosk, I have also asked you why you teach this as "prosperity gospel" when there is only ONE true gospel.

I already replied saying that God prospers wealth, health, etc to Christians as His will allows...And baptistrw and I have already given you some Scriptures to show it.....

 

[roaringkitten]

When you see Joel Osteen preach the gospel of Jesus Christ what does he preach? Does he preach against sin, and how we deserve hellfire because we offended God, and that Jesus paid the price in full for our sins, and if we believe in Him we have eternal life?......OR does he preach wealth, health, etc??? That should be an easy question for you.

 

[Rosinsky]

Yes I have Rosk, I have also asked you why you teach this as "prosperity gospel" when there is only ONE true gospel.

I already replied saying that God prospers wealth, health, etc to Christians as His will allows...And baptistrw and I have already given you some Scriptures to show it.....

Roarning,

I do not "teach" this as "prosperity gospel." I am simply using the labels the doctrine goes by. It has two titles and those are "prosperity theology and prosperity gospel." You are free to disagree with the teaching but please use your common sense and stop hiding under "gospel." The teaching means that God wants you to prosper in all aspect of life: this includes spiritual, personal, emotional, relational, material, health, etc...

I have provided you with scriptures where this is derived from and yet you refuse to respond. Each time you come up with this claim of "wealth and health" and a bunch of verses about the gospel and how hard it is for a rich man to be saved which have absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Rosinsky]

When you see Joel Osteen preach the gospel of Jesus Christ what does he preach? Does he preach against sin, and how we deserve hellfire because we offended God, and that Jesus paid the price in full for our sins, and if we believe in Him we have eternal life?......OR does he preach wealth, health, etc??? That should be an easy question for you.

I do not care what Joel Osteen preach, I am here discussing what the bible teaches. If you have a problem with Joel Osteen's preaching, then I suggest you send him a letter.

 

[Ancilla]

Verses that support this view are, but not limited to, the following:

John 10:10 - The thief’s purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.

3 John 1:2 - Dear friend, I hope all is well with you and that you are as healthy in body as you are strong in spirit.

Luke 6:38 - Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back.”

The Bible is not contradicting itself. First of all, I see no support whatsoever the so-called Prosperty Gospel in the above verses. In religious studies we were watching this really long documentary on Christianity in the USA. They said the Prosperty Gospel gained popularity in the 1980s when Americans started looking for their piece of the American Dream. When the documentary producer asked Tony Campolo if he thought the Prosperty Gospel was a perversion of the Gospel. Campolo said "It has nothing to do with the Gospel." I mean, I guess in every era there will be temptations and when that which seems so right by the world is wrong by the Bible we want to reconcile the too. I mean, right now a Gospel of "Just be yourself and do what you think is right provided you're not obviously hurting anyone." Which I would call "The Gospel according to Oprah"* But that doesn't make it right by the Gospel. Or 150 years ago there were Christians in the US that believed that it was ok to have slaves, since in Biblical times someone could work as a "slave" for 7 years to pay off a debt. However, they must never have read Exodus or else they would have feared the wrath of God.

See, it seems pretty obvious to me the above verses are not talking about material wealth, let alone other things that the world values. Like, if one of the above verses said "Material wealth is a sign of God's approval" then yes, that would be a contradiction. But, a "rich and satisfying life" does not necssarily include material wealth. I mean, how many rich people do you know who are satisfied???? When's the last time material wealth satsfied you? I mean, when I go buy groceries, gas for my car or blue jeans, I do know that those things are not going to last and that I'll have to come back. However, in the world I also see a lot of "this new cell phone will satisfy me... until the next cool thing comes out." Or "This article of clothing will satisfy me until the next latest fashions come out."

The most obvious arguement against the Prosperity Gospel is that the world today has more extremes in wealth than ever, and that wealth is (by definition) having that which is scarce. How much money something costs has everything to do with the supply and demand of it. How much does garbage or raw sewage cost? It doesn't, because the supply is high and the demand is 0. But what about land in New York City or Italian sports cars or gems or precious metals or Champain or tickets to U2 concerts? Well, all those things are expensive because the world doesn't have nearly enough of them to satisfy every want for them. So everything I have that's worth money means that someone else is going without. Now according to the Prosperty Gospel, if God really liked me, I'd have even more at that the expense of others. Does that really sound like something the God of the Bible would want?

But the gifts that God wants us most to have are those that come from Him and not from the world. Salvation first and formost. And then we also know that the fruit of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, patients, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. For some reason wisdom isn't mentioned in that verse, but we know that's another gift that is free for the asking. All those things God can give to us without taking from anyone else who needs them. But our human nature looks at those and wants all those things in addition to what will satisfy our human nature. Don't we all wish there was a verse in the Bible that says "If you're a good Christian, God will use His limitless power to insure that you have a comfortable standard of living, pefect health until the day you die, a marriage that never looses it's romance, but doesn't require much effort and healthy, well behaved children who also don't require much effort." But the New Testament is pretty clear that being Christian is not a ticket to an easy life, or a life that the world will look at with envy.

 

[Rosinsky]

Ancilla,

Thank you for your long expression of your view on the prosperity gospel. I do appreciate it when someone devotes his or her time into presenting his/her argument against any doctrine. To avoid a lengthy response in quoting everything you've said, I am going to summarize your post in this: you believe that the prosperity gospel or theology means a search for material wealth and a sign of God’s approval, and therefore believe it to be against the scripture.

I must say if this was what the Theology of Prosperity was, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But it is not. But you are basing this definition, in my opinion, on a false view on prosperity. I want to challenge you to look at the truth doctrine of the Theology Gospel in light of what the bible says.

Please bear with me since this post is going to be long. I will break it down in three posts with this being the first. In it, I am going to try to explain where you and all who have responded against the theology of prosperity are wrong biblically. But more importantly, I will show what the bible has to say.

Based on your response, I am going to assume that you either did not read my post or simply ignore everything I have said. Because if you had, you would have seen that I have taken the same stance with you, as well all who opposes to this theology, as far as taking the Theology of Prosperity to mean material possession. The only difference between you and I is that I search the scriptures to find out the truth on prosperity as oppose to you searching it to fight against those who claim it to mean material possession. While you are right in your fight against those who preach on material possession, you have taken it to the extreme and overlook what the bible actually does say about prosperity and therefore failing to acknowledge a fundamental teaching from the Word of God regarding prosperity.

I have maintained that the Prosperity Theology/Gospel is not about material possession bout about being prosperous in all aspects of a believer’s life. This is what the theology gospel is and that is what the bible teaches. Does that also include finance? Yes, but finance is only a small portion of the prosperity theology. I mean, from a scale of 1 to 10,000% it’s only 0.1%. Anyone who makes it out to be 10,000% is guilty corrupting biblical teaching for personal gain. In my opinion, this person falls under the category of those who “love money.” The bible clearly states that the love of money is the root of all evil.

When you put aside what you think the prosperity theology is, what false preachers are teaching, and come to realize the Bible’s truth of the Prosperity Gospel, you will realize that it is not about material possession, getting rich (materially), and financial gains. It is something much more profound than that and to equate it with financial gain is to rob yourself of what God has in store for you.

 

[juspekatzus]

God made all things[ gold ,silver, crystal, etc,] for our pleasure, not greed. its ok to have nice things, we jus shouldn't worship them

 

[phil36]

And what is Prosperity Theology not? Look at Paul, who was 100 percent in the will of God, yet weak and in want . . . but after—and only after—committing his life to Christ. Paul—whose pedigree was impressive (Philippians 3:56)—later knew little of health and wealth. And rather than “naming it and claiming it,” God’s premier New Testament missionary spoke of . . .

“Being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.” (Philippians 4:12)
​

If your desire conforms to God’s will, He will look upon your request with favor and allow it to come to pass. Christians are not to dictate to God, but to petition (make requests of) Him. In Prosperity Theology, people have become the rulers, and God has become the servant. In the Bible, God is sovereign over the entire universe, and His people are His servants.
In contrast to Prosperity Theology, the Book of Wisdom (Proverbs) in the Bible says, “Give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread” (Proverbs 30:8).

• Prosperity teaching: Jesus tells us that whatever we ask in faith, we will receive: “I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” (Mark 11:24).
• Biblical Truth: At face value, these verses appear to back up their beliefs. Yet, the apostle John gives us clarification, “If we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And . . . we know that we have what we asked of him” (1 John 5:14-15).

“There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.”
(Proverbs 14:12)​

Well done Rosinsky you are finally going to tell us what you really believe, well, hopefully.

However, I do maintain that if a believer is not being prosperous in all aspects in his life then he should seek to know why.

Above is a quote from yourself. Now What does that mean?

You still have not defined what you mean by 'prosperous', although you have scattered a few bible verses around, we all can do that. what i want to know and i would suppose everyone else would like is for you to difne what prosperous is. define a properous christian life?

Do you believe if a christian is sick (cancer, arthritis,back trouble etc), that he has some lack in his life, he is not prospering? (bearing in mind your qoute above!!!!)

You have also stated that 'it is God's will for every believer to prosper'

Now if God wills something to Happen, Does that not mean It will happen? so why is God's will failing? there are so many christians with illness, thousands being tortured in various countries, their homes being burned down, the wives being raped and the list goes on.. Now with that in mind, and thinking to your qoute above. should these christian be seeking as to why they are not propsering.

Humbly

phil.

P.s as stated, when i come of night shift i will show you your mistake in Psalms 1. and just as a chatty note how are your theologiacal studies coming on? sorry can't remember who you are studying with but all the best with the studies.

 

[Rosinsky]

You still have not defined what you mean by 'prosperous', although you have scattered a few bible verses around, we all can do that. what i want to know and i would suppose everyone else would like is for you to difne what prosperous is. define a properous christian life?

Phil,

It seems that you have been asking me to repeat what I have already stated over and over again. Did you read or skim through my responses? I do not mind repeating it, but you could save both me and you some time by actually reading what I write. At least if you are going to question me.

"This prosperity is not one of becoming rich financially, but one of becoming prosperous in all that you do in life as a believer. It is to be prosperous in spirit, knowledge, love, patience, finance, health, relationship, etc..."

This response is found within my reply (Post 37) to your first post to me.

This is only a partial response to your thread, I will of course offer a more detailed one after reading "my error" of Psalms 1.

 

[phil36]

you havent even answered any of the questions? especially regarding your own qoute nor about Gods will???

Humbly phil

 

[phil36]

However, I do maintain that if a believer is not being prosperous in all aspects in his life then he should seek to know why.

You still have not defined what you mean by 'prosperous', although you have scattered a few bible verses around, we all can do that. what i want to know and i would suppose everyone else would like is for you to difne what prosperous is. define a properous christian life?

Do you believe if a christian is sick (cancer, arthritis,back trouble etc), that he has some lack in his life, he is not prospering? (bearing in mind your qoute above!!!!)

You have also stated that 'it is God's will for every believer to prosper'

Now if God wills something to Happen, Does that not mean It will happen? so why is God's will failing? there are so many christians with illness, thousands being tortured in various countries, their homes being burned down, the wives being raped and the list goes on.. Now with that in mind, and thinking to your qoute above. should these christian be seeking as to why they are not propsering.