Earth is Flat and Stationary

GaryA · Jul 21, 2017

Guess again...

Or, instead of guessing, go look up the Strong's words H02368, H02563, and H02015.

It is not talking about a clay vessel upon a potter's wheel.

The word 'turned' does not mean what you think, either.

Oh -- and, you left out verse 13?

Job 38:

[SUP]12[/SUP] Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; [SUP]13[/SUP] That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? [SUP]14[/SUP] It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Look at the Strong's definition for the word 'ends' in verse 13:

Strongs: H03671

3671 kanaph kaw-nawf'

from 3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or
army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the
earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:--+ bird, border,
corner, end, feather(-ed), X flying, + (one an-)other,
overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part,
wing((-ed)).

3670 kanaph kaw-naf'

a primitive root; properly, to project laterally, i.e.
probably (reflexive) to withdraw:--be removed.

Hmmmm... Interesting, don't you think?

dcontroversal · Jul 21, 2017

GaryA said:

I don't have to guess and I left nothing out....

....<--you do understand what that means right?

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

"Have you commanded the morning since your days; and caused the day spring [dawn] to know his place? ... It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal" (Job 38:12,14). The picture here is of a clay vessel being turned or rotated upon the potter's wheel—an accurate analogy of the earth's rotation.

GaryA · Jul 21, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Yes, I know what an ellipsis is. My point is -- why did you leave verse 13 out? You seem to be trying to illustrate a 'connection' between verse 12 and verse 14. Well, verse 13 is the 'connection' between verse 12 and verse 14. To leave verse 13 out is to "break" that 'connection' and render it meaningless or misinterpreted at best.

Stop trying to use scripture to say what you want it to say, and let it tell you what it is actually saying...

( It is a whole lot more meaningful that way...

)

GaryA · Jul 21, 2017

dcontroversal said:

You are guessing. Now...

GaryA said:

...go look up the Strong's words H02368, H02563, and H02015.

It is not talking about a clay vessel upon a potter's wheel.

The word 'turned' does not mean what you think, either.

...

Job 38:

[SUP]12[/SUP] Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; [SUP]13[/SUP] That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? [SUP]14[/SUP] It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Look at the Strong's definition for the word 'ends' in verse 13:

Strongs: H03671

3671 kanaph kaw-nawf'

from 3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or
army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the
earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:--+ bird, border,
corner, end, feather(-ed), X flying, + (one an-)other,
overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part,
wing((-ed)).

3670 kanaph kaw-naf'

a primitive root; properly, to project laterally, i.e.
probably (reflexive) to withdraw:--be removed.

Hmmmm... Interesting, don't you think?

The ellipsis is a pretty neat little thing to have around, isn't it?

Sully · Jul 21, 2017

posthuman said:

That is to say any opposing views hinge on the topology of the planet. Why would you make that leap? Curious.

dcontroversal · Jul 22, 2017

GaryA said:

Yes, I know what an ellipsis is. My point is -- why did you leave verse 13 out? You seem to be trying to illustrate a 'connection' between verse 12 and verse 14. Well, verse 13 is the 'connection' between verse 12 and verse 14. To leave verse 13 out is to "break" that 'connection' and render it meaningless or misinterpreted at best.

Stop trying to use scripture to say what you want it to say, and let it tell you what it is actually saying...

( It is a whole lot more meaningful that way...

)

Your right...and no where does it say the earth is flat.....take your own advice bro.

Bogadile · Jul 22, 2017

Uhm... What is happening here? The earth is flat and stationary because because this matters somehow

GaryA · Jul 22, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Don't think so?

GaryA said:

So -- if the Bible describes the 'ends' of the Earth with a word that means - edge / extremity / wing / flap / quarter / pinnacle - and, coming from a root word meaning "to project laterally" -- you don't think there is any indication of "flatness" being described? Or, at least, "having lateral projections"...?

Kinda sounds like the Earth has "handles" on it, doesn't it? You know - like "the four corners of the earth" ( Revelation 7:1 ) - perhaps, the part that "sticks out" far past the dome?

GaryA said:

Zen · Jul 22, 2017

Bogadile said:

Because if it was proven that the Earth was flat, hundreds of years of lies would be exposed, all the garbage from NASA, all the sci-fi promoting interstellar travel and evolution would be obvious lies, people would be outraged and look for truth; they would find God.

The adversary doesn't want people to find God. Better keep Antarctica off-limits... for the sake of global warming...

Matthew 7:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

A flat Earth would validate God's Word. The big bang nonsense gives an alternative for people to cling to.

Dino246 · Jul 22, 2017

Zen said:

Do you understand the concept of "fiction"? Do you realize that "sci-fi" is science-fiction? Are you able to distinguish between science fiction and science fact? Do you grasp that fiction is not the same as lies?

From what I've seen, the Christian flat-earth promoters here base their beliefs on a narrow interpretation of a few verses in a particular translation of the Bible. The globe-earth promoters base their beliefs largely on observational science. We're coming from two completely diverse perspectives. It's not surprising that we're talking past each other.

However, until you are able to explain adequately, from within your flat-earth hypothesis, how the rising sun can appear at a point far south of due east in Sydney, Australia, I will continue to consider your position well within the realm of science fiction.

dcontroversal · Jul 22, 2017

Isaiah 40:22 states that God “sits above the circle of the earth.” While there is no Hebrew
word for sphere,
Khoog which is translated circle, circuit, compass is the closest.
Because God is omnipresent, He looks down upon the earth from every direction.
Therefore, from God’s heavenly perspective – looking down upon the earth from every
location – the earth would appear round from every perspective ONLY if it were a sphere.
If the earth were a flat circle for instance, then from most angles the earth would appear
as an oval or even a straight-line (if perpendicular to it). Therefore, Isaiah 40:22 indicates
a spherical earth.

*source*
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?

dcontroversal · Jul 22, 2017

Furthermore, Jesus said “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the
great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”
(Matthew 12:40). Of course a person cannot be in the heart of a flat circle anymore than
he can be in the belly of a flat fish. And Ephesians 4:9 corroborates when it explains that
Jesus “first descended into the lower parts of the earth.”

*source*
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?

dcontroversal · Jul 22, 2017

In addition, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious
comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. See also Job 26:10 and Proverbs 8:27.

*source*
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?

dcontroversal · Jul 22, 2017

-If it's flat, why is it hotter around the equator? And why do we have winter when they have summer? Only with a tilted sphere is this possible. Also why does water and hurricanes turn opposite directions in the north & south hemispheres? Only possible with rotating sphere.

Zen · Jul 22, 2017

Dino246 said:

Do you understand the concept of "fiction"? Do you realize that "sci-fi" is science-fiction? Are you able to distinguish between science fiction and science fact? Do you grasp that fiction is not the same as lies?

From what I've seen, the Christian flat-earth promoters here base their beliefs on a narrow interpretation of a few verses in a particular translation of the Bible. The globe-earth promoters base their beliefs largely on observational science. We're coming from two completely diverse perspectives. It's not surprising that we're talking past each other.

However, until you are able to explain adequately, from within your flat-earth hypothesis, how the rising sun can appear at a point far south of due east in Sydney, Australia, I will continue to consider your position well within the realm of science fiction.

You can do whatever you want to, I'm not interested in your posts because all they do is mock and tear down.

Harkins · Jul 24, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Hey man, better check your source, because there IS a word for ball or sphere in Hebrew.

Here is the word for ball/sphere: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1754&t=KJV

Here is the word for circle: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2329&t=KJV

Isaiah certainly knew the difference - which is why he used two different words for the two different passages.

Your apologist is full of it.

trofimus · Jul 30, 2017

I found quite an interesting map video about moving continents to a different position on the globe.
[video=youtube;7GrXaT6KDlI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GrXaT6KDlI[/video]

DaninNY · May 18, 2023

pckts said:

For a flat earther, the deception and mockery is right in your face and you can't avoid it. The logos, cheap tricks, poorly told lies, it's so obvious you question how you were ever deceived to begin with. It's from being born into a world as a child and placing trust and confidence in the adults/authority over you. We believe in Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, the American dream,True Love(we still should, but many never find it, as children we all do though), legal justice, and a righteous government as a child.

What do globe believers tell themselves about the photos I posted? The NASA logo is a coincidence it looks like a snake tongue? The word NASA meaning deception in hebrew is a coincidence? All the people that died in the challenger have lookalikes by coincidence?
MICHAEL J. SMITH____________ Michael J. Smith (UW University)

You can go right to Michael's professor page at the University of Wisconsin:
https://directory.engr.wisc.edu/ie/Faculty/Smith_Michael/

Why do you subscribe to a model backed by entities that mock and deceive you? Because you do not believe you are being mocked and deceived, and you think the entire world verifies their claims.

The world can't verify NASA's claims, they make claims adventuring into outer space and using high powered telescopes that are also in places we can't get to. So we do have to take much of what they say on faith, because only they have the resources to gather the data and make such claims.

The globe earth is a model that warps the creation with half-truths and lies like light years, black holes, curvature, dark matter, and universal expansion, so that you filter your senses and thoughts through these lies and see the world through the globe lens.

My faith in the flat earth is stronger than your globe beliefs, because I once believe what you did and already know what you know, when I hear you describe or make accusations about flat earth theory it's clear you do not understand the theory. It's rejected without consideration or understanding. For example, an individual of our community recently dismissed the theory because "light years" would be impossible on it.

On top of this, you are yet to be aware of the tools and deceptions in place to keep you locked into your false beliefs. If you took me up in a spaceship and showed me the globe earth, I would still reject the moon landing and ISS because I know NASA are liars and the evidence for the existence of those things are all fake. You may claim that you believe in the globe earth because of flight times, rotation, and shadows cast on Australian theaters, but your foundations are also built on NASA being honest and outer space travel being a verifiable fact.

Another problem is, we have running water, air conditioning, and smart phones I can use to play Mortal Kombat against my friend in Vietnam. They didn't have these things when the globe was discovered, so it looks as though man realized the universe at the same time he realized the technology that built the "civilized" world with. I understand your confusion, but consider the possibility that man used the tools of the civilized world to deceive you. Literacy, mathematics, and a controlled education system to deceive you into the globe, and 2001: Space Odyssey special effects to trick you into believing we landed on the moon.

You need to be aware of the deception first, than when you see the reason you believe in the globe is because of false images and videos and the testimony of liars, you can become open to a more than equally plausible model of the world you live in.

This is kind of long and you may scroll through it or skip it entirely, I know that I do when you post long equations and facts about the globe, but give it a look.

ya' know, pckts, it is sad how many Christians resort to mocking, insults, and stupid arguments. Isn't the bulk of evidence for flat earth (in the Bible) found among the books of Moses and the prophets? Didn't Jesus say that "if they don't believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded." I had an epiphany that the inability to comprehend the Biblical earth model is the result of a demonic spiritual stronghold.

DaninNY · May 18, 2023

Harkins said:

Hey man, better check your source, because there IS a word for ball or sphere in Hebrew.

Here is the word for ball/sphere: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1754&t=KJV

Here is the word for circle: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2329&t=KJV

Isaiah certainly knew the difference - which is why he used two different words for the two different passages.

Your apologist is full of it.

I agree. Glad you pointed that out. These repetitive arguments make me sick.

Dino246 · May 19, 2023

DaninNY said:

There is no need for you to dredge up old threads on this subject.

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