Sabbath

[JaumeJ]

My only question now is why such an attack on me? I said nothing to offend, and certainly nothing in ignorance.

Many times I have confessed I am ignorant ofmuch, but all people are for only our God knows all that truly is important. If I share what I believe is true and important the best I am given to be able, I do not think that worthyof being labeled "monumentally ignorant," perhaps ignorant in a stretch though. How about you? Do you know all?

I am not querying the origin of Judah - no argument here.

 

[loveme1]

The answer I seek???

No, the answer you seek is Matthew 11:28

We we could do this back and forth for a long time.... you take a verse here and there rather than accepting the saints Keep the Commandments and Have the Testimony of the Messiah... it is not your fault but those that taught you.

 

[LoveGodForever]

The answer I seek???

No, the answer you seek is Matthew 11:28

Matthew 11:29 will help you with your interpretation of verse 28

 

[JaumeJ]

reference for all who will

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Yoke is Christ's personal care in guiding each of us, while the burden would be His teaching, very light in comparison to the hypocritical teachings of those who would weigh them on the innocent.

While the Father sill labored Jesus did also, and as God still labors so must we if we are indeed followers of the Way, the Truth and the Life.

The field is ripe for the harvest but the laborers are few, praye there be laborers for the full harvest for the glory of our Dad.

 

[Dan_473]

When reading how the word, Jew, is used always do it in context. There are times when Paul is refering to the believers in Judah who have not come to Jesus Christ, but when he, of the tribe of Benjamin, says he is a Jew, he is not refering to the region of Judah nor to being of the tribe, his reference is to being a "praiser of Yahweh."
Many words in the Bible are not translated.

Again, to learn with more understanding, read what Paul teaches on being a true Jew.........

right!

and, when Paul tells Peter


GALATIANS 2 why do you push the Gentiles to live as

the Jews

do?


he must be referring to something peter was doing that wasn't right.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here, in context, Paul is making reference to the people of the Kingdom of Judah and those of the then dispersion for many were in surround countries.

The reference includes those of Judah who were not converted to the Messiah.

I do not want anyone to live as an unconverted Jew, rather as a true Jew, that is onewho i circumcised in the interior, the heart, and also one who praise God, for true Jews praise God, Yahweh.

The proper uncerstanding in context does not me me or anyone some kind of intellectual, it simply means they understand the meaning of the original root of Jew, Judah, or Yahudah.

right!

and, when Paul tells Peter


GALATIANS 2 why do you push the Gentiles to live as

the Jews

do?


he must be referring to something peter was doing that wasn't right.

 

[Dan_473]

Having read the Word in Hebrew, minus a few of the Epistles, I am familiar with Aramaic in that parts of the Word remain in Aramaic, I believe Ezra and half of Daniel with an occasion word here and there in Aramaic.

They are almost as similar as is US English and UK English (England that is), or Castillano in Spain and in most South American countries.

Transiterated the Jews would be called Yahudim, and the Kingdom Yahudah just as the Tribal Name.

JaumeJ, is it your understanding that the nt was originally written in Hebrew?

 

[Dan_473]

Here, in context, Paul is making reference to the people of the Kingdom of Judah and those of the then dispersion for many were in surround countries.

The reference includes those of Judah who were not converted to the Messiah.

I do not want anyone to live as an unconverted Jew, rather as a true Jew, that is onewho i circumcised in the interior, the heart, and also one who praise God, for true Jews praise God, Yahweh.

The proper uncerstanding in context does not me me or anyone some kind of intellectual, it simply means they understand the meaning of the original root of Jew, Judah, or Yahudah.

Peter changes his activities when men from James come,

so, converted Jews.



the rest of

the Jews

joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

 

[JaumeJ]

Over the years I have come to suspect it most likely was in Hebrew, at least the Gospels and Revelation.

The most compelling impetus to my leaning in this direction is the fact that Hebrew was the language of the Temple in Jerusalem, ergo anyone speaking in another language about anything concerning Yahweh, God, would be looked upon as a
blasphemer.

Although it is said the lingua franca at the time of our Savior's advent was Aramaic, it would have been frowned upon to use that languaage in teaching anyting to dow with Ultimate Truth from God, Yahweh.

It really is not terribly important at all levels, but it is in undetanding much of what references are made to the Old Testament.

One amazingly informative example is how when the Old Testament prophets are quoted, each time the word, Lord, in reference to God is use, it is taken from Yahweh. I find that interesting, and lovely at the same time.

RAbbinical teaaching states Yahweh should not be said out loud, instead they say you should say HaShem which means the name.

From what I have deriv ed from their own writings, the name Yahweh is to wonderful not to be proclaimed around the world to all nations. Not necessarily as YIahweh, but as it means Self-existing, it is like saying the I Am, am being transitive as only one who is Self-Existing may use in honesty, forno creature can say I Am, a creature may say I am created.

Therfor Yahweh is not some mysterous name too holy to be pronounced, it is His Fame. We will know His true name come the Kingdom when He returns to the peoplles and nations a pure tongue so we may all call on Him by one name Zephaniah. Please, do not get me going.

Know that all who are led by the Holy Spirit do not deeply concern themselves with linguistics, and they have no need to do so, it is just apersonal passion of my own. God bless you Dan Daniel......God is judge from the Hebrew...

JaumeJ, is it your understanding that the nt was originally written in Hebrew?

 

[JaumeJ]

You know when I read about that, I wondered if it was Simon Bar Jonah or a different Peter...another mystery that may or may not be revealed come the Kingdom

Peter changes his activities when men from James come,

so, converted Jews.



the rest of

the Jews

joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

 

[Dan_473]

Know that all who are led by the Holy Spirit do not deeply concern themselves with linguistics, and they have no need to do so...

good! then

for our discussion here,
how about
we just go with the basic meaning Paul has for
Jew in galatians 2.

 

[Dan_473]

You know when I read about that, I wondered if it was Simon Bar Jonah or a different Peter...another mystery that may or may not be revealed come the Kingdom

I think it pretty much had to be Peter the apostle.

GALATIANS 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit

Peter,
and stayed with him fifteen days.
GALATIANS 1:19 But of

the other apostles

I saw no one, except James, the Lord’s brother.




GALATIANS 2:7 but to the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the Good News for the uncircumcision, even as

Peter with the Good News for the circumcision

GALATIANS 2:8 (for he who

appointed Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision

appointed me also to the Gentiles);


GALATIANS 2:11 But

when Peter came to Antioch,

I resisted him to his face, because he stood condemned.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

RAbbinical teaaching states Yahweh should not be said out loud, instead they say you should say HaShem which means the name.

From what I have deriv ed from their own writings, the name Yahweh is to wonderful not to be proclaimed around the world to all nations. Not necessarily as YIahweh, but as it means Self-existing, it is like saying the I Am, am being transitive as only one who is Self-Existing may use in honesty, forno creature can say I Am, a creature may say I am created.

Therfor Yahweh is not some mysterous name too holy to be pronounced, it is His Fame. We will know His true name come the Kingdom when He returns to the peoplles and nations a pure tongue so we may all call on Him by one name Zephaniah. Please, do not get me going.

God bless our Jewish friends for their obedience to protect His word for so long before the Gentiles came to know our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Yeshua the Messiah the name above all names.

When Yahweh Elohim spoke to Moses, Moses asked Him who should I say send me and God said to Him I Am is sending you. This is my name. He introduced Himself to Moses with this powerful name .

We will have to wait diligently for God to show us His glory, first here on earth and then in heaven.

God bless friends

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Its funny how people think that if they try to obey what they think the 10 commandments say they think they obey God.

If trying to obey your understanding of the 10 commandments was obedience to God why can't we be Righteous according to our obedience like Christ was with His?

Obviously, if you obey God you are right with Him, correct?

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 3:11-12

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

There is a way to be obedient to God and it isn't by the work of your understanding of the 10 commandments.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Brother Grandpa

I know for a fact that I am a law breaker and James is clear that if we break one, we break them all. All of us on this website fall short from the glory of God. We can acknowledge that without any doubt.

Our salvation is in Jesus Christ. I know by being in Him I am saved.

If we are obedient to the word of God we are not legalistic. We have to change our mind set of thinking God is punishing us with His law. God does not have double standards. He will not judge one group of people differently because of their inheritance. We are all one in Christ.

Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

I am sure you know this but for the sake of others I will repeat this. Hebrews 11 is known as the book of faith. David lived by faith, but this is the same David saying:

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa_37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Proverbs is teaching us:

Pro_28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Pro_28:7 Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.
Pro_28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

God does not change, what was an abomination to Him once still is an abomination to Him today. Christ was our Saviour since day 1, the very first second God spoke our universe into existence. We can proclaim that. We can understand that. My Redeemer was David’s Redeemer. We are all God’s children, the one God of heaven and earth.

God bless friend

 

[Dan_473]

for God's name, how about

just follow the example of the apostles and write

the master when encountering the yhwh.

 

[Grandpa]

Brother Grandpa

I know for a fact that I am a law breaker and James is clear that if we break one, we break them all. All of us on this website fall short from the glory of God. We can acknowledge that without any doubt.

Our salvation is in Jesus Christ. I know by being in Him I am saved.

If we are obedient to the word of God we are not legalistic. We have to change our mind set of thinking God is punishing us with His law. God does not have double standards. He will not judge one group of people differently because of their inheritance. We are all one in Christ.

Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

I am sure you know this but for the sake of others I will repeat this. Hebrews 11 is known as the book of faith. David lived by faith, but this is the same David saying:

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa_37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Proverbs is teaching us:

Pro_28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Pro_28:7 Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.
Pro_28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

God does not change, what was an abomination to Him once still is an abomination to Him today. Christ was our Saviour since day 1, the very first second God spoke our universe into existence. We can proclaim that. We can understand that. My Redeemer was David’s Redeemer. We are all God’s children, the one God of heaven and earth.

God bless friend

No. I'm afraid you are mistaken.

There is a New Testament now.

God deals with us differently now than He did with ancient Israel.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]

 

[graceNpeace]

My only question now is why such an attack on me? I said nothing to offend, and certainly nothing in ignorance.

Many times I have confessed I am ignorant of much, but all people are for only our God knows all that truly is important. If I share what I believe is true and important the best I am given to be able, I do not think that worthy of being labeled "monumentally ignorant," perhaps ignorant in a stretch though. How about you? Do you know all?

With respect you made a completely incorrect statement that a Jew has to be of the tribe of Judah!
It is completely false.
A Jew is someone who has their ancestry from the Kingdom of Judah!
The Kingdom of Judah comprised of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and part of the tribe of Levi.

Paul was absolutely and unequivocally correct in calling himself a Jew, of the tribe of Benjamin: "[FONT=&quot]If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]5[/FONT][FONT=&quot] circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]6 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]" [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Phi 3:4-6

[/FONT]For someone pushing such a monumental heresy of works salvation and supporting others that do the same I would have thought you would be much more informed about the issues that you are arguing!

If you don't even really understand who qualifies to be a Jew by what stretch of credibility can you argue which of the laws of the Mosaic Covenant which Jews still hold to, to this day, are binding on New Covenant believers?
It is clear that you have no concept of covenant in general never mind the differences between the Covenant of Moses and the New Covenant!
If you did then you would certainly NOT be supporting the concept that people who do not observe the Sabbath are hell-bound!

You can squeal and say that you do not think that non-Sabbatarian's are hell-bound but here you are, a very prominent supporting act for those that unequivocally do!

 

[JaumeJ]

I speak in terms of a Jew in relation to his tribe.

The word Jew became used to describe a religion that never existed in Israel.

There is nothing ignorant about this truth.

Finally, if we are refering to a true Jewd we are referring to what and why Leah named her male child. Se said, I will now praise yAHWEH FOR hE HAS GIVEN ME A SON.

A true Jew is one who praises God.

If this is all too complicated for you, then study more, but this is nowhere near ignorance.

With respect you made a completely incorrect statement that a Jew has to be of the tribe of Judah!
It is completely false.
A Jew is someone who has their ancestry from the Kingdom of Judah!
The Kingdom of Judah comprised of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and part of the tribe of Levi.

Paul was absolutely and unequivocally correct in calling himself a Jew, of the tribe of Benjamin: "If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." Phi 3:4-6

For someone pushing such a monumental heresy of works salvation and supporting others that do the same I would have thought you would be much more informed about the issues that you are arguing!

If you don't even really understand who qualifies to be a Jew by what stretch of credibility can you argue which of the laws of the Mosaic Covenant which Jews still hold to, to this day, are binding on New Covenant believers?
It is clear that you have no concept of covenant in general never mind the differences between the Covenant of Moses and the New Covenant!
If you did then you would certainly NOT be supporting the concept that people who do not observe the Sabbath are hell-bound!

You can squeal and say that you do not think that non-Sabbatarian's are hell-bound but here you are, a very prominent supporting act for those that unequivocally do!

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

No. I'm afraid you are mistaken.

There is a New Testament now.

God deals with us differently now than He did with ancient Israel.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Grandpa, what I don't understand is how do we explain a non changing God without double standards by what you are implying here. Friend, if you for one second think we are being judged on a different set of standards than people in the Old Testament you are in the wrong Bible school .

The Bible is clear, God does not change. We are not second best, the outcast that is receiving grace. Grace was there from day 1 just like the law was there from day 1.

I can't proclaim a god with double standards. My God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and my problem with the law is because of my flesh not willing to submit to the King of kings. In grace I am saved, just like David, Moses, Daniel, Abraham, Noah, Samuel, Gideon, Peter, Paul, Luke, Matthew etc before me. They were all sinners and needed the grace of God, like we do.

God bless friend