Not By Works

[LoveGodForever]

Secure salvation plain as day!

Hebrews 6 v4-6
For it is impossible for the believer, if they should fall away (go to back to the law and dead works) to renew themselves again to repentance (be born again, since, one can only be born again once) since trying Born Again, AGAIN makes

the cross insufficient and puts Jesus to open shame saying His sacrifice was not enough.

The writer in Hebrews is telling us to move on to maturity, not this cycle of repentance and cleansing as in the NT sacrificial system which the Hebrews were trying to do.

It is impossible to be born again twice or more because this one sacrifice is sufficient.

Context!!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away,[SUP][b][/SUP] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Heb 6:1,
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 6:2,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Heb 6:3,
And this will we do, if God permit.

Heb 6:4,
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 6:7,
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Heb 6:8,
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.


Friend, the above is talking about those that have fallen away from "God and His Word" They were once "believers". Your salvation is only as secure as you follow God today and if you do not fall away back into SIN. See post 20768 with all the other criptures it is God's Word not mine. It is clear that you do not know the Word of God if you think you are saved while continuing in a wilful life of sin.

Eze 18:4,
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

Eze 3:20,
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Actually I am still waiting on Hebrews 10:26

But you are saying Paul disagreed with Jesus?

Let's look at all the context of Heb 10:26-29 shall we and see what the scripture is saying?

HEB 10

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [SUP]
20[/SUP] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
[SUP]21[/SUP] And having an high priest over the house of God;[SUP]
22 [/SUP]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.[SUP]
23 [/SUP]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
[SUP]25[/SUP] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.[SUP]
26[/SUP] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,[SUP]
27[/SUP] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [SUP]
28[/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29[/SUP] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?[SUP]
30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, says the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Context points:

* Being saved by the blood of Christ

* Let us hold fast our profession of faith not wavering

* Provoking one another unto love and to good works

* Assemble together exhorting one another because the day of God is approaching

* WARNING against wilful SIN after receiving a knowledge of the truth; there remains no more sacrifice

* Continuing in wilful SIN results in a fearful looking forward to the Judgement and fiery indignation that will devour those that practice SIN.

* You see what happened in the day of Moses and how people were put to death for not obeying his law

* How much more will the punishment be for those that have trodden underfoot the Son of GOd and hath counted the Blood of the Covenant (new Covenant = Blood of Jesus) and Unholy thing and done despite to the Spirit of God.

* God will Judge His people and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God!

So in summary SIN is the context. SIN is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4). If we come to Jesus and receive a knowledge of the Truth and willfully continue in SIN we are treading underfoot the Son of God and counting the Blood of the Covenant an UNHOLY thing (because SIN is the opposite of HOLY) and resisting or ignoring the Spirit of Grace. So what is the problem here in Heb 10:19:31? It is WILFUL SIN after you receive the truth of God's Word! Hope this helps you. Your better off however studying God's Word for yourself and asking Jesus to be your teacher. If you are professing to be a Christian and are practicing wilful known SIN than the punishment applies to you. If you profess to know God while doing this then God's Word says you are not following God....

1Jo 2:4,
He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jam 2:10,
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

1John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Can anyone show me one bible verse that says that the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED? God's 7th Day Sabbath is also the 4th Commandment in God's Law (Ex 20:8-11). If we break any of God's 10 commandments we are guilty of SIN. All will stand before God on the day of Judgement for the things we have all done in this life.

Isa 55:6-7,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

God bless

 

[Limey410v2]

God promised to finish what He started if we stay with Him.
In your world God made Adam fall, and chose to save who He wanted, and turns their hearts as
a puppet on a string. Either this is the world or we can choose, and we could walk away from
the Lord. I think this fear of love is a choice is full of rejection and failure rather than Gods
free choice in the cross proves His love, so it is up to us alone to respond to His love.

And I ask you, sincerely, why would you not?

You lost me, sorry.

 

[Grace777x70]

Mankind is all "sanctified/set apart" for the gospel as far as God is concerned. It's up to us to believe it to receive the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Hebrews 10:29 is stating this fact that all man-kind has been set apart or sanctified for the gospel of Christ including the Jewish people tat were following the temple sacrifices.

Reject Christ's sacrifice for sins and there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

Remember the word "sanctified" means to be set apart for use - not sinning as we have been religiously brain-washed into thinking.

Here Paul is taking about being the husband who is an unbeliever as being sanctified because of the wife.

1 Corinthians 7:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

 

[UnderGrace]

Do you know why the writer of Hebrews is talking about wilful sin?

Do you know the historical context of this entire book?

A plain reading of scripture typically gives a plain wrong understanding.

Heb 6:1,
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 6:2,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Heb 6:3,
And this will we do, if God permit.

Heb 6:4,
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 6:7,
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Heb 6:8,
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.


Friend, the above is talking about those that have fallen away from "God and His Word" They were once "believers". Your salvation is only as secure as you follow God today and if you do not fall away back into SIN. See post 20768 with all the other criptures it is God's Word not mine. It is clear that you do not know the Word of God if you think you are saved while continuing in a wilful life of sin.

Eze 18:4,
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

Eze 3:20,
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

 

[Grace777x70]

Have we ever read where Jesus said that the priests who stand in the temple - break the Sabbath which is in the Law?...or that David and his men ate of the bread which was in the temple?

Matthew 12:2-6 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."

[SUP]3 [/SUP] But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,

[SUP]4 [/SUP] how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Why were the priest not breaking the Sabbath law - because they were in the temple. Why did David be able to eat of the bread? Because he was in the temple.

This is why the true believer in Christ will not be breaking any Sabbath law because we are in the temple. Know you not that you are the temple of God?

Those that are in the temple are not breaking the Sabbath law by doing work because we are in Christ. He is the true temple of God as we are in union with Him and are one in the spirit.

Until we understand the reality of our union with Christ and what that means - we will be resorting to going back to the Law and trying to live by our own flesh and we are exchanging Christ Himself for the law.

 

[FranC]

Mankind is all "sanctified/set apart" for the gospel as far as God is concerned. It's up to us to believe it to receive the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Hebrews 10:29 is stating this fact that all man-kind has been set apart or sanctified for the gospel of Christ including the Jewish people tat were following the temple sacrifices.

Reject Christ's sacrifice for sins and there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

Remember the word "sanctified" means to be set apart for use - not sinning as we have been religiously brain-washed into thinking.

Here Paul is taking about being the husband who is an unbeliever as being sanctified because of the wife.

1 Corinthians 7:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Grace,
Too tired, it's 1 a.m. here, just reading through.
I'd like to make a comment Tomorrow, but could you explain what you mean by this:


Remember the word "sanctified" means to be set apart for use - not sinning as we have been religiously brain-washed into thinking.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sanctification is instantaneous while Godliness is progressive.

Sanctification means separated from profane use and set apart for holy use.

That's why in the OT, people and items were sanctified once and set apart unto the Lord. while godliness is the believer's daily walk in God-likeness and manifesting the true nature of the new man in Christ - the new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

There were garments that were holy - does that mean they were "progressively" getting holy?....No, of course not - they were "set apart" for use.

There were holy days - does that mean the were "progressively" being sanctified? The gold was sanctified in the temple. Lot's of examples of the real use of the term "set apart/sanctified".

Godliness is a better way of describing the process of "working out what already is in us in Christ in our inner man" - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Hebrews 10:14 says "we are sanctified" and it is in the present passive - which means we are being "set apart" and it is all done passively to us because we are in Christ and we are being "transformed" by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor 3:17-18.

We already are sanctified ( set apart ) because we are in Christ now as these scriptures clearly show. Sometimes our religious teachings are ingrained in our minds and when we hear something "different" we balk at them and of course it's heresy to us...as usual...

Christ is our sanctification:

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Acts 20:32 ; Acts 26:18; Rom. 15:16; 1 Cor. 1:2; 1 Cor. 6:19; Heb. 10:10; Jude 1:1 - all these scriptures say that we as Christians are already sanctified/set-apart.

There are either in the Greek perfect tense or the past tense and they are passive which means it is something done to us - not us doing it.

Now, I believe as we work out the sanctification and life of Christ that is in us in our new creation that is in Christ now - we are then set apart/sanctified for use by the Lord here in this earth.

This is where godliness has great gain not only in this life but in the world to come. God rewards us for the work that He does through and in us. What a great salvation and awesome Lord we belong to!

 

[dcontroversal]

Secure salvation plain as day!

Hebrews 6 v4-6

For it is impossible for the believer, if they should fall away (go to back to the law and dead works) to renew themselves again to repentance (be born again, since, one can only be born again once) since trying Born Again, AGAIN makes

the cross insufficient and puts Jesus to open shame saying His sacrifice was not enough.

The writer in Hebrews is telling us to move on to maturity, not this cycle of repentance and cleansing as in the NT sacrificial system which the Hebrews were trying to do.

It is impossible to be born again twice or more because this one sacrifice is sufficient.

Context!!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away,[SUP][b][/SUP] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

AMEN....once is sufficient and eternal......the grace of God out bounds our sin.....and eternal means exactly that...NOT temporary!

 

[Grace777x70]

I have often said this and I will post it again about sanctification.

This is what believers in the grace of our Lord Jesus have to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy then we are now.

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly in manifested behavior who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

This involves the renewing of the mind to walk out what already is in the new creation that is one spirit with Christ now.
The Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 & Phil. 2:13

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive....passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us sanctifying us daily by Jesus' sacrifice. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him - He is the Light - 1 John 1:7 )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is in us.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit - the new man in Christ - the new creation) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15[/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

We are holy because He is holy! Christ makes us holy. We are transformed as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror by the Holy Spirit. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 & Phil. 2:13

 

[FranC]

Do you know why the writer of Hebrews is talking about wilful sin?

Do you know the historical context of this entire book?

A plain reading of scripture typically gives a plain wrong understanding.

I believe we here probably all know why Hebrews was written...

WILLFUL SIN...

Although Hebrews is talking about the Jews going back under the Mosaic Law...

WILLFUL SIN could refer not only to THAT, but to ANY WILLFUL SIN.

Whatever Hebrews says about that, can be understood to mean ANY willful sin.

Just want to add that the opposite is true from this statement you made:
A plain reading of scripture typically gives a plain wrong understanding.

If you read your bible carefully, it will Always give you the correct understanding.
The bible EXPLAINS ITSELF. No commentaries needed...
Only in rare instances.

It's when you begin to read into any verse what you WANT it to say that the problems begin.

 

[FranC]

Sanctification is instantaneous while Godliness is progressive.

Sanctification means separated from profane use and set apart for holy use.

That's why in the OT, people and items were sanctified once and set apart unto the Lord. while godliness is the believer's daily walk in God-likeness and manifesting the true nature of the new man in Christ - the new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

There were garments that were holy - does that mean they were "progressively" getting holy?....No, of course not - they were "set apart" for use.

There were holy days - does that mean the were "progressively" being sanctified? The gold was sanctified in the temple. Lot's of examples of the real use of the term "set apart/sanctified".

Godliness is a better way of describing the process of "working out what already is in us in Christ in our inner man" - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Hebrews 10:14 says "we are sanctified" and it is in the present passive - which means we are being "set apart" and it is all done passively to us because we are in Christ and we are being "transformed" by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor 3:17-18.

We already are sanctified ( set apart ) because we are in Christ now as these scriptures clearly show. Sometimes our religious teachings are ingrained in our minds and when we hear something "different" we balk at them and of course it's heresy to us...as usual...

Christ is our sanctification:

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Acts 20:32 ; Acts 26:18; Rom. 15:16; 1 Cor. 1:2; 1 Cor. 6:19; Heb. 10:10; Jude 1:1 - all these scriptures say that we as Christians are already sanctified/set-apart.

There are either in the Greek perfect tense or the past tense and they are passive which means it is something done to us - not us doing it.

Now, I believe as we work out the sanctification and life of Christ that is in us in our new creation that is in Christ now - we are then set apart/sanctified for use by the Lord here in this earth.

This is where godliness has great gain not only in this life but in the world to come. God rewards us for the work that He does through and in us. What a great salvation and awesome Lord we belong to!

Grace,

Justification is instantaneous while Sanctification is progressive.
But this is just words.

I KNOW what sanctification is but it's good you posted again for those reading along.

It would be nice if you explained just this part of your post. I don't understand what you mean...

not sinning as we have been religiously brain-washed into thinking.
From post no. 20784

Thanks.

 

[dcontroversal]

I believe we here probably all know why Hebrews was written...

WILLFUL SIN...

Although Hebrews is talking about the Jews going back under the Mosaic Law...

.

You could stop right there and if you understood Hebrews in that light you would finally get it....there REMAINS no more sacrifice for SIN.....it has already been dealt with....and those who want to go back under an inferior way HAVE no possible salvation and or forgiveness outside of CHRIST...

WHERE sin abounds....GRACE did much more ABOUND.....

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi All,

Can anyone tell me what Jesus means when he says how can you see with your eyes wide shut? I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance?

Psa 115:5
They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

Psa 135:16
They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;

Isa 44:18
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Eze 12:2
Son of man, you dwell in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

Mat 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

John 9:41,
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Mat 13:14-15,
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: or this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Ok back to work for me,

God bless all

 

[FranC]

Just following the dictionary. I always considered gossip behind someone's back, but maybe not.

Well I am glad you agree with Stones because she actually referenced my post.

So we are in agreement then. Salvation cannot be lost. Excellent!!!

You're cute.

Good try but no cigar!

 

[UnderGrace]

A plain reading tells me to put a veil on my head when I pray..do you?

A plain reading tells me that if I eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus I will have eternal life as Catholics believe.

The scripture is only understood through the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer plus context ....plus understanding how to rightly divide, plus understanding analogy, figurative language and on and on.....

The reference to wilful sin is there for the Hebrews for a reason.

So now we do not need theologians? You are confusing me?

I believe we here probably all know why Hebrews was written...

WILLFUL SIN...

Although Hebrews is talking about the Jews going back under the Mosaic Law...

WILLFUL SIN could refer not only to THAT, but to ANY WILLFUL SIN.

Whatever Hebrews says about that, can be understood to mean ANY willful sin.

Just want to add that the opposite is true from this statement you made:
A plain reading of scripture typically gives a plain wrong understanding.

If you read your bible carefully, it will Always give you the correct understanding.
The bible EXPLAINS ITSELF. No commentaries needed...
Only in rare instances.

It's when you begin to read into any verse what you WANT it to say that the problems begin.

 

[Meggido]

So since you do everything UNTO Jesus, you must surely do everything PERFECTLY, as in your demonstration using these three guys (when we have Jesus available to us...)

So, apparently you're one of these people who NEVER SIN because Jesus is right there with you digging away at that hole...

You're one lucky dude.

And Jesus does this for everyone who agrees with you?

So there are Others on this thread THAT NEVER SIN or work for anything?

Here's what JESUS said:

"If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me".
Luke 9.23

"For whever is ashamed of Me and MY WORDS, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when He comes in His glory"...
Luke 9:26

Jesus is saying that one has to deny himself, pick up his cross daily to follow Jesus.
FOLLOW means that there is a LEADER. Jesus is that leader. Jesus is saying not to try to get away from hard times.

Jesus is saying that self.sacrifice is the way to getting away from yourself to get to Jesus.
Because he continues with the idea of LOSING one's soul, by NOT self-sacrificing.

Do not be ashamed of Jesus' words.
Jesus left us with many teachings that we are to follow.

Maybe we should all find out what they are?

I addressed this perfectly in my 3 men digging a hole parable....you need to look at it closer Fran....

 

[Meggido]

Jesus said

"My yoke is easy"

He didn't say

There is NO YOKE.


This is so simple to understand, I won't even waste time explaining it.

The fact you missed this in my digging a hole parable means you were not paying attention.....the 3rd man was yoked and digging with Jesus...guess you missed that part....

 

[royalscot]

name the mushroom, that protected elijah , given how many plants, can block out sun light . mr Germans,
sorrry a puzzle, for the omelettes with champion in it.

i did try to warn you. lingo and understanding of lingo , etc yes, fry the mushroom first, then add the chicken eggs, then ask etc etc etc .

 

[PHart]

In verse 29, the reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" seems to be referring to a Christian, but the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians) and means "set apart," does not necessarily refer to salvation.

Just a few verses before this in verse 10, in the same context, sanctified most certainly does means being set apart as holy in salvation:

"10By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:10 NASB)

But suddenly it doesn't mean salvation just 19 verses later in the same context in verse 29? Of course it means the same thing. There has been no change of subject or context. He's still talking about the sanctified/saved person from verse 10:

"29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29 NASB)

In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved).

Sanctified is a very broad term that has more than one meaning/ usage. You must consider the context to understand which application of the word is being used. As I have shown above, the context is salvation in Hebrews 10. It is not, as even you see, in 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. So you can not say that since sanctified does not mean set apart in salvation in 1 Corinthians 7:12-14 that it can't mean it in Hebrews 10:10,29.

One of the uses of 'sanctified' is to refer to something being made clean and safe for use, like the utensils used in Levitical temple worship, which are otherwise unclean and defile the holy things they touch. Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 7:12-14 that the unbelieving spouse doesn't make the believer married to them unclean (as intimate relationships with unbelievers do, see 2 Corinthians 6:14,17) because God steps in and declares them clean AND NOW UNABLE TO DEFILE THE BELIEVER, as they would under other circumstances.

And so in that sense they are 'clean' (sanctified) for contact by the believing spouse and unable to defile the believer. So it's clear that Hebrews 10:29 is hardly using the same usage of 'sanctified' as Paul is in 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. The context is completely different. The application of 'sanctification' is completely different. As I've shown, sanctification in Hebrews 10 most certainly is referring to being sanctified in salvation.

And so it is that the sanctified person (that is, the saved person) who tramples on the blood of Christ in a willful, belligerent, rejection of the blood of Christ by which he was saved/sanctified will be destroyed with the enemies of God, not lovingly chastised as a beloved son of God.

"26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebews 10: NASB)​

A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart."

As I'm showing, you're misapplying the term as it is used here to Hebrews 10. The unbelieving spouse, and the kids you have with that person, are made clean (sanctified) and therefore, unable to defile the believing spouse, as intimate contact with unbelievers normally does, and which God prohibits. This is a different application of 'sanctified' than what the author is using in Hebrews 10. We see that plainly by the context.

If the word "sanctified" simply means saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.

But since we know the word 'sanctified' has many usages and meanings your contention is meaningless. It means what the context indicates it means. Here are the ways 'sanctified' gets used:

1. 1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
   2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
   2a) consecrate things to God
   2b) dedicate people to God
   3) to purify
   3a) to cleanse externally
   3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
   3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
   (http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre37.htm)
   
   It's obvious you can not just cherry pick the one you want to use in a passage in order to support what you want the passage to say, or not say (but that happens a lot in these kinds of discussions). The context determines whcih one applies. I showed you that the context of Hebrews 10 is sanctification in regard to salvation.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

Right UNbelievers draw back. That's why the author is exhorting them to keep believing. As long as they believe they are safe in salvation. "Don't give up! You can't be saved if you stop believing. That is the equivalent of drawing back to perdition. You will be lost, not saved."

Now some here will say the true believer can never stop believing. While some here say you are still saved even if you stop believing. And some say both, depending on the particular argument they are in at the time. Lol.