About Judaizing

[pete9]

Definition of anti–Semitism

• : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
  
  I do not suppose Merriam Webster is good enough for some of the inadequately informed and/or educated, but this is the definition anyway.
  
  I really despise peoe's hating anyone simply for his ethnicity, nationality, religion, color etc. Jesus has taught us to love our enemies, therefore to those who despise in themanner mention, know this, I do not want any of you to be cast into the lake of fire, therefore I believe I do love you all, but I do despise people's hating others. It is not of Jesus christ.

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Well, for my part, I really despise the accursedness of false doctrines that attack authentic Christianity. And the adoration of false religions like judaism is nasty, in my opinion. I don't worship humans, I worship God. And so if some humans are so special that they can't be criticized without someone flipping out, looks like they are worshiping those humans to me. If you call me an anti-semite because I say judaism is a false religion...well, I guess I don't care. For my part, anyone who doesn't like the plain meanings of the writings of the apostle Paul, particularly and personally chosen by Jesus, is not of Jesus Christ. And such who insist upon "teaching" Christians that stuff is accursed, according to the Holy Bible.

And let's not forget Peter's dream of the pork and other stuff.

 

[Grandpa]

Friend you are calling Paul a liar:

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

and he is stating in other places in Acts also that he kept the law.

God bless friend

What would be the way they call heresy???

I'l help you because you are obviously confused.

Christianity is the way they would call heresy.

This is being dead to the law and alive to Christ.

This would be by abandoning a persons work at the law and embracing faith in Christ.


If you are going to attempt to show that Paul is encouraging gentiles to work at the law at least use verses that support your cause.

 

[Grandpa]

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I don't see a problem with differentiating between judaism and christianity. Seems like a good idea to me. But I could understand why a judaizer would get upset with this.

 

[JaumeJ]

Now, once more, Judaism is not Israel, it is the umbrella of Orthodox, Hassidic, Liberal and more of what is called Judaism.. Like Catholcism , Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran etc are under the umbrella called Christian.

None of the above are of Issrael or Jesus Christ, they are all apostasy.

If you do not believe it, try to imagine Jesus Christ teachig the Pharisee teachings, the Sadduccee teaches, the Hassidic teaches etc.

Imagin Him heading any of the Christian denominations.

Now hear Him teaching us all how to be of the faith of Abraham for this is what He teaches with His gospel, the same gospel He gave to Abraham long before the law was given to Moses. This is written in the Old and New Testaments... learn it.

 

[loveme1]

I mean we have to remember that Abel and Cain gave offerings..... And that Adam and Eve were told not to do something but went against GOD's instruction.

Ecclesiastes 12

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole dutyof man. 14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

What would be the way they call heresy???

I'l help you because you are obviously confused.

Christianity is the way they would call heresy.

This is being dead to the law and alive to Christ.

This would be by abandoning a persons work at the law and embracing faith in Christ.


If you are going to attempt to show that Paul is encouraging gentiles to work at the law at least use verses that support your cause.

You are once again blinded by your fleshly desires for not keeping God's law brother.

The Jews were accusing Paul of breaking the law. What law? Definitely not the Greek's law because that is clear in Acts.

Paul was a Jew and as a result could have been killed if the Jews could proof that he did not keep the law. They falsely accused him and some of them were even willing to be cursed for bearing false witness. Read Acts again from 24 and you will see this complot against him unfold and how God protected His own.

God bless friend

 

[graceNpeace]

You are once again blinded by your fleshly desires for not keeping God's law brother.

The Jews were accusing Paul of breaking the law. What law? Definitely not the Greek's law because that is clear in Acts.

Paul was a Jew and as a result could have been killed if the Jews could proof that he did not keep the law. They falsely accused him and some of them were even willing to be cursed for bearing false witness. Read Acts again from 24 and you will see this complot against him unfold and how God protected His own.

God bless friend

Do you even know the Bible?

There is no such thing as Greek's law!

Paul did not keep the law once he became a Christian and he never encouraged anyone else who was a Christian to try and keep the law, whether they were Gentile of Jew, once they became Christian.

If anyone is blind it is you - to your prejudices...

 

[JaumeJ]

Read teh Word and you will find Paul kept the law in order not to offend those who were not yet conme to Jesus Christ. Remember when you say the law of the Jews this is of a new catch-all name for Pharisees, Sadducees and probably other
groups, and many more today.

Jesus was a Jew by blood, an Hebrew. As far as laws are concerned the laws by the time Jesus came had become rabbinical teaching, perverted by a long period of replacing what is written by what is tradition of man, just as Christian denominations do today.

You who learn from Paul nd teach from the same, how is it you do not know the teaching that we are to abstain from alll "appearance" of evil. Paul would never hav e disobeyed the law in the presence of unconverted Jews.

You may call them Jews in reference to their religion at the time, in reference to the Kingdom where the home body lived, and in reference to their Tribe, but only those who are Jews by translation of the root word Yahudah, asre true Jews for they parise God in spirit and truth.

Now, you who are so learned please again tell me how monumentally ignorant I am displying your own great knowledge. Knowledge of what waits to be demonstrated.

kpost script it seem those who so hate Jews are blinded to the knowledge of theWord concerning them and how they have done so much for all nations. You do not know that it is they who opened the Gate for all to enter in with them. ​this is a pity.

 

[JaumeJ]

Not to sound like Paul, I did attend the University of Illinois-Champagne-Urban, and I did study languages and linguistics.

This and a dollar will not buy a cukp of coffee in most plces that do sell it. I am however, studied in languages enough to at least speak on the subject.

Anhyone sharing anything with me and the Holy Spirit attests to it, in my eyes, is a heavenly scholar, not of man, for man's knowledge never brough him to know God, only the knowledge that comes from God will do this.

 

[graceNpeace]

Read teh Word and you will find Paul kept the law in order not to offend those who were not yet conme to Jesus Christ. Remember when you say the law of the Jews this is of a new catch-all name for Pharisees, Sadducees and probably other
groups, and many more today.

Jesus was a Jew by blood, an Hebrew. As far as laws are concerned the laws by the time Jesus came had become rabbinical teaching, perverted by a long period of replacing what is written by what is tradition of man, just as Christian denominations do today.

You who learn from Paul nd teach from the same, how is it you do not know the teaching that we are to abstain from alll "appearance" of evil. Paul would never hav e disobeyed the law in the presence of unconverted Jews.

You may call them Jews in reference to their religion at the time, in reference to the Kingdom where the home body lived, and in reference to their Tribe, but only those who are Jews by translation of the root word Yahudah, asre true Jews for they parise God in spirit and truth.

Now, you who are so learned please again tell me how monumentally ignorant I am displying your own great knowledge. Knowledge of what waits to be demonstrated.

kpost script it seem those who so hate Jews are blinded to the knowledge of theWord concerning them and how they have done so much for all nations. You do not know that it is they who opened the Gate for all to enter in with them. ​this is a pity.

Read this:

[FONT=&quot]11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c] 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
Gal 2:11-21
Paul DID NOT live by the law and in the passage above severely criticises Peter for being an utter hypocrite by changing his practises because he feared the Judaizers.
Verse 14 sums up the situation.

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[JaumeJ]

Your record to now is pretty shabby by any standards......so why don't you read it, butunderstand it when you do.

Read this:

11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c] 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
Gal 2:11-21
Paul DID NOT live by the law and in the passage above severely criticises Peter for being an utter hypocrite by changing his practises because he feared the Judaizers.
Verse 14 sums up the situation.

 

[graceNpeace]

Your record to now is pretty shabby by any standards......so why don't you read it, butunderstand it when you do.

I do understand it!
And it clearly states what I said it did...

 

[JaumeJ]

Then you must be quiste satisfied with yourself, because you have clearly demonstrated having not read my posts to which you have feined understanding or even having read.......

I am taught not to coninue with such as you. Whyi not start your own thread showing your understanding of whatever it is you actually do understand...

I do understand it!
And it clearly states what I said it did...

 

[graceNpeace]

Then you must be quiste satisfied with yourself, because you have clearly demonstrated having not read my posts to which you have feined understanding or even having read.......

I am taught not to coninue with such as you. Whyi not start your own thread showing your understanding of whatever it is you actually do understand...

You wrote this:
"You who learn from Paul nd teach from the same, how is it you do not know the teaching that we are to abstain from alll "appearance" of evil. Paul would never hav e disobeyed the law in the presence of unconverted Jews."

And I replied with a Scriptural quote:
14But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c]
Gal 2:14

I did not copy the whole text I originally quoted for brevity.

Clearly there is a mismatch between your assertion and this text!
I will go with Scripture and there is plenty, plenty supporting texts that clearly show that New Covenant believers, Jew or Gentile, were not following the law (as found in the Mosaic Covenant), and were NOT required to.
If Paul did what you say, but then severely publicly criticised Peter for what he did then that just makes Paul a bigger hypocrite than Peter...
But Paul did not do as you say and so he is not a hypocrite - because he did not live as a Jew and certainly not just to live up to appearances for the sake of unconverted Jews!

 

[Grandpa]

You are once again blinded by your fleshly desires for not keeping God's law brother.

The Jews were accusing Paul of breaking the law. What law? Definitely not the Greek's law because that is clear in Acts.

Paul was a Jew and as a result could have been killed if the Jews could proof that he did not keep the law. They falsely accused him and some of them were even willing to be cursed for bearing false witness. Read Acts again from 24 and you will see this complot against him unfold and how God protected His own.

God bless friend

2 Corinthians 3
[FONT=&quot]13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

People who work at the law in their own understanding don't keep it.

Only those who are dead to the law and alive to Christ keep the law.

By the way that you would call heresy I worship the Father and the Son, believing everything in the law and the prophets.

Its strange, I know, but that's the way it is.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

That's the fruit of obedience, the fruit of Salvation, the fruit of Righteousness. Its only produced by faith in Christ.

Clinging to the ministry of death and condemnation by your own understanding just gets you more death and condemnation. In Christ there is Life.

I don't think there is a such thing as a fleshly desire to not keep the 10 commandments. The fleshly desire is to try and keep them. The fleshly PRIDE is to think it can be done. The fleshly PRIDE thinks they understand what is required. The flesh desires to and thinks it can be pleasing to God by its works.[/FONT]

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

2 Corinthians 3
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

People who work at the law in their own understanding don't keep it.

Only those who are dead to the law and alive to Christ keep the law.

By the way that you would call heresy I worship the Father and the Son, believing everything in the law and the prophets.

Its strange, I know, but that's the way it is.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

That's the fruit of obedience, the fruit of Salvation, the fruit of Righteousness. Its only produced by faith in Christ.

Clinging to the ministry of death and condemnation by your own understanding just gets you more death and condemnation. In Christ there is Life.

I don't think there is a such thing as a fleshly desire to not keep the 10 commandments. The fleshly desire is to try and keep them. The fleshly PRIDE is to think it can be done. The fleshly PRIDE thinks they understand what is required. The flesh desires to and thinks it can be pleasing to God by its works.

Brother sometimes we are so close and other times we can be so far removed. I do agree with some of what you say and with the rest of it pfffft nothing.

Know that I am not judging you, or trying to be perfect. I know we all fall short of the glory of God. We all need our Saviour first and foremost.

God bless friend

 

[Grandpa]

Brother sometimes we are so close and other times we can be so far removed. I do agree with some of what you say and with the rest of it pfffft nothing.

Know that I am not judging you, or trying to be perfect. I know we all fall short of the glory of God. We all need our Saviour first and foremost.

God bless friend

That's why you have me scratching my head a little bit.

Not sure why you revert back to your understanding and strength when you know before hand that you don't have what it takes....

Don't you trust that you are Gods Workmanship and not your own...?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Do you even know the Bible?

There is no such thing as Greek's law!

Paul did not keep the law once he became a Christian and he never encouraged anyone else who was a Christian to try and keep the law, whether they were Gentile of Jew, once they became Christian.

If anyone is blind it is you - to your prejudices...

I know it doesn't feel like it but every country has its own laws. The Greeks had their own set of laws that is why Paul had to appear in court. But the Greeks said that the dispute was regarding the Jew's law (Acts is clear about this) that is why the Jews tried to kill Paul. They bare false witness against him for not keeping their law.

 

[loveme1]

2 Corinthians 3
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

People who work at the law in their own understanding don't keep it.

Only those who are dead to the law and alive to Christ keep the law.

By the way that you would call heresy I worship the Father and the Son, believing everything in the law and the prophets.

Its strange, I know, but that's the way it is.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

That's the fruit of obedience, the fruit of Salvation, the fruit of Righteousness. Its only produced by faith in Christ.

Clinging to the ministry of death and condemnation by your own understanding just gets you more death and condemnation. In Christ there is Life.

I don't think there is a such thing as a fleshly desire to not keep the 10 commandments. The fleshly desire is to try and keep them. The fleshly PRIDE is to think it can be done. The fleshly PRIDE thinks they understand what is required. The flesh desires to and thinks it can be pleasing to God by its works.

I like most of this and it is no different to what I believe.. john 15:5 is sooo True and it is through that belief that one loves to Keep the Commandments of GOD.. let us be honest all except the Sabbath rest you obey out of love? We are believing the Messiah when he said we should Keep all... now it is the branch believing the vine to produce fruit.. a branch falls and bears no fruit if it is not part of the vine.

i speak for most here when I say we are not keeping Sabbath because Moses said to... no it is because GOD said those that Love Him do and the Messiah also affirmed this to us....

But... I also have witnessed people come and teach outward circumcision and all works to obtain righteousness... so I can see why many stand guarded believing they are being led away from Our Lord and Saviour's Testament.

That is is my belief and the Holy Spirit taught me.. if I error or cause any to error then GOD help me.

In my Liberty while I abide May Heavenly Father know that I love Him... I was the worst of the worst when the Light came to save me...

He loved me first and by His Grace I love Him how he desires and love you all as my own. I'm not perfect but look to Our Lord who is Perfect in every way Like His Father who sent Him.

I'm the naughty sheep found by the Good Shepherd now following Him in love and adoration.


peace to you all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who does not know that Israel was no longer fully under he laws of Moses at the time of Jesus Christ , has not hahis eyes opened while reading.

Not only was it not under the law of Israel and the Temple, it was not Israel, and it was fully occcupied and controlled by Rome.

I am aware you know this or at least most of this, so I believe you have read the Bible, but more adn most importan, you learn of the Holy Spirit......keep up that good work.

I know it doesn't feel like it but every country has its own laws. The Greeks had their own set of laws that is why Paul had to appear in court. But the Greeks said that the dispute was regarding the Jew's law (Acts is clear about this) that is why the Jews tried to kill Paul. They bare false witness against him for not keeping their law.