Where is Ephraim today?

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We know that Ephraim (Joseph’s youngest son) received the birthright of Jacob, who was renamed Israel by God Almighty, according to scripture. (Genesis 48:1-20) Before the reign of the Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar, the 10 northern tribes of Israel (known as the house of Israel, NOT Jewish) were dispersed, and remain so to this very day, by the Assyrian Empire. As far as I know, the birthright Ephraim received by the right hand of Jacob was never passed on.

Joshua 16:10 (KJV)
10 And they drave not out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer: but the Canaanites dwell among the Ephraimites unto this day, and serve under tribute.

Jeremiah 31:6, 8-9, and 18 (KJV)
6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God.
8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.

Hosea 11:9 (KJV) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hosea 14:8 (KJV) Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.

John 11:54 (KJV) Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.

The way the Bible reads, Ephraim has not been forsaken. “Where is Ephraim today?” Please give Biblical input. Thank you, and may God bless you all who participate in this discussion.
 
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Armstrong or Legweak?
 
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Locutus said:
Armstrong or Legweak?
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To what are you referring to? I have heard of Armstrong, and I don't necessarily agree with his interpretation of Ephraim. I have never heard of Legweak. Please refer to scripture for some confirmation concerning input. Thank you.
 
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Hi unobtrusive,

When the kingdom of Israel split into two, Judah and Israel, God prophesied He would later bring them back together as one.

Ephraim was included in the norther kingdom, Israel.
 
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Desertsrose said:
Hi unobtrusive,

When the kingdom of Israel split into two, Judah and Israel, God prophesied He would later bring them back together as one.

Ephraim was included in the norther kingdom, Israel.
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Thanks for your response, and I agree with you. Your comment causes me to think of the scripture of the 2 sticks being one in God's hand, but I cannot remember off hand where it is. (unintended pun LOL) Do you know where that scripture would be found? I think that it might be prophecy that hasn't happened as of yet.
 
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unobtrusive said:
We know that Ephraim (Joseph’s youngest son) received the birthright of Jacob, who was renamed Israel by God Almighty, according to scripture. (Genesis 48:1-20) Before the reign of the Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar, the 10 northern tribes of Israel (known as the house of Israel, NOT Jewish) were dispersed, and remain so to this very day, by the Assyrian Empire. As far as I know, the birthright Ephraim received by the right hand of Jacob was never passed on.

Ephraim today is England, Manasseh is Ireland, Joseph is Scotland they still have the stone of destiny which was given to him by his father. God bless


Joshua 16:10 (KJV)
10 And they drave not out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer: but the Canaanites dwell among the Ephraimites unto this day, and serve under tribute.

Jeremiah 31:6, 8-9, and 18 (KJV)
6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God.
8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.

Hosea 11:9 (KJV) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hosea 14:8 (KJV) Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.

John 11:54 (KJV) Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.

The way the Bible reads, Ephraim has not been forsaken. “Where is Ephraim today?” Please give Biblical input. Thank you, and may God bless you all who participate in this discussion.
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Ephraim today is England. God bless
 
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I like British Israelism and Christian Identity but Jew worshipers hate it.
 
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EZ. 37:16-17-19.
Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah,
and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it,
For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Say unto them, Thus saith The Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him,
even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine Hand.
 
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Ephraim today is England. God bless
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Celib, It's hard for me to believe that Ephraim is located only in England. Their descendants have to be in other places too, I would think.
Desertsrose said:
Hi unobtrusive,

When the kingdom of Israel split into two, Judah and Israel, God prophesied He would later bring them back together as one.

Ephraim was included in the norther kingdom, Israel.
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The scripture has been found. Thank you oldethennew
oldethennew said:
EZ. 37:16-17-19.
Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah,
and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it,
For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Say unto them, Thus saith The Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him,
even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine Hand.
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Is England the only nation that will eventually be one with the Jews according to scripture?

Maybe I should have asked "Who is the Biblical Ephraim in Ezekiel?"


 
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Thanks for your response, and I agree with you. Your comment causes me to think of the scripture of the 2 sticks being one in God's hand, but I cannot remember off hand where it is. (unintended pun LOL) Do you know where that scripture would be found? I think that it might be prophecy that hasn't happened as of yet.
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Whew, good! You have a sense of humor. So, I feel okay to answer.

Ephraim is the town over from Camden, NJ. lol
 
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GEN. 48:19.
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people,
and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he,
and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

the word 'nations' is 'goyw', which means 'gentiles'...
 
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oldethennew said:
GEN. 48:19.
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people,
and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he,
and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

the word 'nations' is 'goyw', which means 'gentiles'...
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I heard that Caucasian means a person who migrated out of the Caucus mountains (North out of Babylon) and settled in Europe. It always made sense to me for it to be the 10 Northern tribes. But you get called racist for it.
 
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oldethennew said:
GEN. 48:19.
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people,
and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he,
and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

the word 'nations' is 'goyw', which means 'gentiles'...
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Ephraim had an Egyptian mother, right?
 
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yes, he surely did: Abraham was from 'gentile-blood', and we ALL proceed
from the 'blood of Adam'...
 
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oldethennew said:
yes, he surely did: Abraham was from 'gentile-blood', and we ALL proceed
from the 'blood of Adam'...
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I have always thought that "Ephraim" was of what we might consider as "Gentile" believers in Christ Jesus in this present day. Could that be possible?
 
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ultimately, all of the 'promises-covenants-oracles-and the service of God',
is 'given to Israel'...

EPH. 2:11-12-13.
Wherefore remember, that you being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called
Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

But now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
 
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oldethennew said:
yes, he surely did: Abraham was from 'gentile-blood', and we ALL proceed
from the 'blood of Adam'...
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I don't personally believe this. Consider some things;

Satan has offspring
Only Noah's family was considered genetically perfect to carry on his bloodline

There's a great video I saw with Chuck Missler (Genesis session 12 or 13 or maybe a different one I can't remember).

One of the points in it was that the areas where the Israelites didn't exterminate the cursed tribes are inhabited today by certain tribes who are a thorn in their side, Palestinians I think.

Psalm 22:12
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
 
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LUKE 3:38.
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam,
which was the son of God.

that belief would 'negate' these Scriptures in Luke...if one 'starts negating one scripture -
to build up a doctrine, then there will be a multitude of 'different beliefs', of which there
certainly is today...
 
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Getting back on track, could the story of the "good Samaritan," and the story about the "woman at the well" be related to the true nature of the true church today concerning what might be "Ephraim?"

Isaiah 7:9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
 
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