The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

[Snoozy]

It came, even though not yet visibly.

But spiritually? Yes, it came, the holy city is Church.

no its not. the measurements of new jerusalem are given, u dont give measurements that specific for something thats only spiritual or parable.
lemme explain this once and for all so i can leave this article alone its not going anywhere when people dont accept what bible says plainly. here it is:

Church is the Church, not Israel
Israel is Israel, not the Church
New Jerusalem is New Jerusalem, a real city!

if u dont make a distinction at all between israel and church ur bible study is starting off on the wrong foot and u will end up in contradicting false doctrines more often than not. also dont try this read it spiritually trick, the gnostics, mystics and catholics do that how do u know what to spiritualize and what not if nothing means what it says. here is how u read it, u read it like God means what He says and says what He means, and ALL GOD's PEOPLE SAID AMEN!

 

[loveme1]

Revelation 21

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

 

[trofimus]

Who taught you this?

I say - its in the text. You must just understand it.

 

[Zen]

I say - its in the text. You must just understand it.

You're bending scripture again.

New Jerusalem is a physical place. The church is the congregation of the Lord.

 

[trofimus]

Revelation 21

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Ok, so twelve foundations.

 

[loveme1]

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[trofimus]

You're bending scripture again.

New Jerusalem is a physical place. The church is the congregation of the Lord.

I am not sure why some Christians await everything physically.

They should know better already.

The reality is spiritual.

 

[loveme1]

I say - its in the text. You must just understand it.

You promise no no one gave you that understanding?

 

[Zen]

I am not sure why some Christians await everything physically.

They should know better already.

Because it's a literal golden city brought to God's children to live in.

It's not here yet, we are waiting on it.

 

[trofimus]

You promise no no one gave you that understanding?

I do not promise anything. I do not recall anybody to tell me this. Why does it matter? Its either truth or not.

 

[kaylagrl]

American Christianity export

Wealth, health, tongues, Israel.

Now,now,I was just starting to like you a little bit.

 

[trofimus]

Because it's a literal golden city brought to God's children to live in.

It's not here yet, we are waiting on it.

Ok then... you will live on a huge golden cube. Physically.

 

[trofimus]

Now,now,I was just starting to like you a little bit.

Blah, you like me all the time

 

[kaylagrl]

why?

I thought you new covenant only people only went by the NT?

ROFL Id call that a checkmate from where Im standing. I love people who use the Bible only as it suits them.smh

 

[loveme1]

The measurements equate to something ... Now I believe we will be Spiritual in the Resurrection.. for the Messiah said so.

The New Jerusalem is not physical bricks and mortar.... etc... it is where your Spirit will go if you are written in the Lambs book of life.

 

[Zen]

Ok then... you will live on a huge golden cube. Physically.

You're funny, I honestly don't know how to respond to someone who believes the bible is a metaphor for something spiritual.

Is hell a metaphor? Is death a metaphor? You've taken a wrong turn somewhere.

 

[loveme1]

I do not promise anything. I do not recall anybody to tell me this. Why does it matter? Its either truth or not.

It is your belief as I have mine... I wanted to know if someone taught you this. Please do not be offended..

 

[trofimus]

The measurements equate to something ... Now I believe we will be Spiritual in the Resurrection.. for the Messiah said so.

The New Jerusalem is not physical bricks and mortar.... etc... it is where your Spirit will go if you are written in the Lambs book of life.

Plus where your spirit can go right now, if you live by spirit and not by (physical) eyes.

 

[trofimus]

It is your belief as I have mine... I wanted to know if someone taught you this. Please do not be offended..

If I remember correctly, first I found it out myself and then, after I had some discussion about this, I found that it is quite a common explanation, just not in my surroundings.

 

[loveme1]

Plus where your spirit can go right now, if you live by spirit and not by (physical) eyes.

Yet a little while my friend and all will be revealed... The Harvest is nigh.