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when did your heart or your action ,save you. so you must have been told or read the bible to the fact , for there is to be a saviour. it is up to you to listen, or reject what is being said. so the deceiver can be you, or the person who told you,if you cannot support there/ your claim or faith. then who is answerable, for you/them, being deceived.
hes a royal pack of ciggerettes puffing out smoke.. nothing more nothing less....
This is the Judges decree
matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( why will they inherit this?)
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. .....verse 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. (according to the Judge, its about what they did not what He had done)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ( why would Jesus say this?) 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, ( notice they call him Lord too) ....v 45[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [/FONT]it[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] not to one of the least of these, ye did [/FONT]it[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]not to me.[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ( again its not about what the King did, but what those on His left calling Him Lord DIDNT DO)
[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]46[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ( this last verse squashes the false idea that Judgement based on our deeds has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell it clearly detemines Life or death. but thats only for those who would believe what Jesus says of things. this is one example of this exact principle, its from solomon to revelation anytime judgement comes up its this principle. were saved By Faith becasue faith creates the right actions towards others and toward God. if there is no action there is no faith.[/FONT]
matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( why will they inherit this?)
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. .....verse 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. (according to the Judge, its about what they did not what He had done)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ( why would Jesus say this?) 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, ( notice they call him Lord too) ....v 45[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [/FONT]it[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] not to one of the least of these, ye did [/FONT]it[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]not to me.[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ( again its not about what the King did, but what those on His left calling Him Lord DIDNT DO)
[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]46[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ( this last verse squashes the false idea that Judgement based on our deeds has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell it clearly detemines Life or death. but thats only for those who would believe what Jesus says of things. this is one example of this exact principle, its from solomon to revelation anytime judgement comes up its this principle. were saved By Faith becasue faith creates the right actions towards others and toward God. if there is no action there is no faith.[/FONT]
We learn from history most do not learn from history.
I have a good book, the bible that rests on the shoulders of many faithful brothers and sisters
I would probably not recognise easily today if I met them. Think John the Baptist, Samson,
King David, Paul, Stephen, Peter and you begin to see we need to listen and learn more with
love and grace and judge and condemn less until we know peoples hearts.
Take Luther, a blessed man but in later life off the wall. Take Anabaptists who were social terrorists,
or the reformation that bred hatred that even lives on till today. Nothing is really seen until the light
is switched on, and some here are so biased, you know they are truly scared of what they might find
rather than trusting Jesus leads us into all truth, hallelujah.
I have a good book, the bible that rests on the shoulders of many faithful brothers and sisters
I would probably not recognise easily today if I met them. Think John the Baptist, Samson,
King David, Paul, Stephen, Peter and you begin to see we need to listen and learn more with
love and grace and judge and condemn less until we know peoples hearts.
Take Luther, a blessed man but in later life off the wall. Take Anabaptists who were social terrorists,
or the reformation that bred hatred that even lives on till today. Nothing is really seen until the light
is switched on, and some here are so biased, you know they are truly scared of what they might find
rather than trusting Jesus leads us into all truth, hallelujah.
loool bro u switched that up like nothing 
its what He does but He has no choice Has to to defend the gog because Gods Word doesnt
but He has no choice Has to to defend the gog because Gods Word doesnt
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Acts 20:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.
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I agree we need to be in Christ. But this is religious language, that sounds nice, but actually is
just that. I can be a member of a fan club, pay my dues and still miss the love that transforms.
Paul knew the super rich apostles who lived like Kings, lol, those who bless their fans and blast
their detractors.
How many rejoice at the life Jesus brings through the sermon on the mount, or just want to make
enemies. You can tell those who follow, love, patience, faithfulness, self control. Their theology
speaks less than their hearts, and they are always ready to listen and learn with an open heart.
It is with them I rejoice for in Jesus's love does the Spirit dwell.
So welcome sister in the Lords love
just that. I can be a member of a fan club, pay my dues and still miss the love that transforms.
Paul knew the super rich apostles who lived like Kings, lol, those who bless their fans and blast
their detractors.
How many rejoice at the life Jesus brings through the sermon on the mount, or just want to make
enemies. You can tell those who follow, love, patience, faithfulness, self control. Their theology
speaks less than their hearts, and they are always ready to listen and learn with an open heart.
It is with them I rejoice for in Jesus's love does the Spirit dwell.
So welcome sister in the Lords love
Brother do you believe Jesus? I know you do already. do this read matthew 25:31-46 and then tell me that our actions good or bad dont effect salvation...actually let me Just do this
matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( why will they inherit this?)
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. .....verse 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done itunto me. (according to the Judge, its about what they did not what He had done)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ( why would Jesus say this?) 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, ( notice they call him Lord too) ....v 45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did itnot to me. ( again its not about what the King did, but what those on His left calling Him Lord DIDNT DO)
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ( this last verse squashes the false idea that Judgement based on our deeds has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell it clearly detemines Life or death. but thats only for those who would believe what Jesus says of things. this is one example of this exact principle, its from solomon to revelation anytime judgement comes up its this principle. were saved By Faith becasue faith creates the right actions towards others and toward God. if there is no action there is no faith.
would you say that what we do whether good or Bad effect salvation? or let me also add this pauls version
romans 2:5-11 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."
you see Just calling Jesus savior and Lord, thats the first thing, But that doesnt mean what we do has no part in eternal Life, or eternal destruction. when Jesus says anyone who believes in me will not die. we have to remember that the people in Hell will live forever also theyll be alive and conscious as well. Jesus again gives several examples of this fact. but the determination of where we spend eternity is determined by what we do having been given all God has given us in Jesus. true Belief is the requirement and true Belief is evidenced in the actions. if a person believes what the Bible says of Jesus, there is no excuse for not turning from sin and working righteousness.
rather than just freedom to go on sinning without puishment, the gospel removes the power of sin to control us and Gives us the spirit of power to overcome evils influence in our Lives. I hope you understand what im saying here and why im saying it to you.
matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( why will they inherit this?)
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. .....verse 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done itunto me. (according to the Judge, its about what they did not what He had done)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ( why would Jesus say this?) 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, ( notice they call him Lord too) ....v 45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did itnot to me. ( again its not about what the King did, but what those on His left calling Him Lord DIDNT DO)
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ( this last verse squashes the false idea that Judgement based on our deeds has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell it clearly detemines Life or death. but thats only for those who would believe what Jesus says of things. this is one example of this exact principle, its from solomon to revelation anytime judgement comes up its this principle. were saved By Faith becasue faith creates the right actions towards others and toward God. if there is no action there is no faith.
would you say that what we do whether good or Bad effect salvation? or let me also add this pauls version
romans 2:5-11 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."
you see Just calling Jesus savior and Lord, thats the first thing, But that doesnt mean what we do has no part in eternal Life, or eternal destruction. when Jesus says anyone who believes in me will not die. we have to remember that the people in Hell will live forever also theyll be alive and conscious as well. Jesus again gives several examples of this fact. but the determination of where we spend eternity is determined by what we do having been given all God has given us in Jesus. true Belief is the requirement and true Belief is evidenced in the actions. if a person believes what the Bible says of Jesus, there is no excuse for not turning from sin and working righteousness.
rather than just freedom to go on sinning without puishment, the gospel removes the power of sin to control us and Gives us the spirit of power to overcome evils influence in our Lives. I hope you understand what im saying here and why im saying it to you.
N
i think youre missing my point
ill assume its semantics that are the cause
but i DONT believe repentence earns salvation
or has any part in it
but i dont think you can follow Christ in earnest without the Holy spirit working repentence in you
does that make more sense?
our actions are only evidence of faith that isnt dead
ill assume its semantics that are the cause
but i DONT believe repentence earns salvation
or has any part in it
but i dont think you can follow Christ in earnest without the Holy spirit working repentence in you
does that make more sense?
our actions are only evidence of faith that isnt dead
That is just a pile of this...and it is quite a statement from some one who openly denies that Jesus is God.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Acts 20:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Acts 20:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.
Jesus is the Christ the Son of God lol you already Know that. im not gonna do this with you and the others again. to be Hinest bruce i have over the Last year lost respect for anything you say. all you do is go in circles to support paul ellis/ joseph prince distortions and push some invented gospel that disagrees with Jesus. I have no part with you anymore I hope someone can speak something to you to change your Mind and Heart, but im convinced it isnt me. you need to turn to Jesus, the One and Only Son of God.
so you wouldnt say that the difference in the sheep and goats is what they did? either thier " good works" or thier lack of Good works has no determining factor there? what i see you saying is we dont Give the credit to good works, But to Jesus. which i agree all Glory to Jesus. but christians need to accept doing right is our Life BECAUSE of Jesus, BECAUSE we actually have faith. But anyways man, God bless ya
thats really good stuff bro. talking the talk is easy, even a non believer can say " sure i believe" just to end a conversation with someone. Walking the Walk is our call and like you are saying Here its not one out of context scripture or a couple, its by far the majority of principle in scripture. Not doing what God has said to do, and instead doing what satan said to do, has been the issue from eden. until Jesus came offering the Holy spirit we had the excuse " were just sinners how can we do right" Now that excuse is removed and God has already provided us with everything we need to embrace repentance and obey Him into eternal Life. there is no other way but repentance and then learning and following the Gospel Ministry of Jesus which ois the Only source of the Holy spirit to begin with.
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isnt faith in itself a Gift
arent we indebted for even that?
and isnt it ONLY by grace faith has any meaning at all
faith in a sacrifice we didnt make?
i mean ya
there is a difference between those who love the world
and those who love God
and it is visable in what we DO
so long as we act in the spirit
and not our own flesh
but again
isnt that something we are also indebted for?
arent we indebted for even that?
and isnt it ONLY by grace faith has any meaning at all
faith in a sacrifice we didnt make?
i mean ya
there is a difference between those who love the world
and those who love God
and it is visable in what we DO
so long as we act in the spirit
and not our own flesh
but again
isnt that something we are also indebted for?
What was the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross?
And how his is one saved?
John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Romans 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Faith first which breaks down the barrier between us and the Father. Therefore we can come before his throne through faith.
Father child relationship restored as a result of what Jesus did.
We did nothing to earn it and we can nothing to keep it.
So the primary purpose was reconciliation through Jesus to the Father.
That being the case in a sense we can walk with God like Adam and Eve did.
Every day in a relationship based on love.
The secondary reason is this
Sorry but going to post the whole chapter because to me it emcompansess it all
Ephesians 2:1-10
Chapter 2
By Grace Through Faith
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Notice verse 10. WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS WHICH GOD PREPARES BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
Good works will follow, but by whom and through whom? JESUS IN US.
Thirdly and this I am very passionate about and I will try to keep countenance here because I can get emotional about it.
Our Father considers the whole being of his children, that being the case it's not just about works it's about the person.
I have read many a post that seems to indicate
You don't work then you are not saved. This is what I get they are saying is the following.
You don't overcome the vile sins of the flesh then you are not saved.
Thats what I call sin management that takes the focus of John 3:16.
A person may be struggling as a result of life experiences and therefore to judge them for that as a matter of fact is wrong.
It is pharisee at the very core.
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and their attitude, it made him angry. You place burdens on them and do not lift a finger to help them. Millstone, neck come to mind.
Praise Jesus he went to to downtrodden and just loved them, to me it was that love that set them free to be like him.
We must do the same.
The Holy Spirit wants to heal us of all things that restrict our walk with God.
If we don't know the true love of a Father, we will walk in a way to appease the Father but underneath we it is nothing to do with love. It's I hope you don't beat up on me.
The same could be said that if we don't know the love of Father and think of ourselves as dirty rotten sinners how will we walk?
It's all about love, and it's that love that drives us. To be like Jesus, walk like him he like him and get behind the scene of someone's life who hasn't quite got that yet.
Never right people off based on what we think the bar that should be reached.
Get alongside people, love them where they are at. If we do then If they are struggling in their walk they will be more open to talk about it.
Then we can be like Jesus.
And how his is one saved?
John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Romans 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Faith first which breaks down the barrier between us and the Father. Therefore we can come before his throne through faith.
Father child relationship restored as a result of what Jesus did.
We did nothing to earn it and we can nothing to keep it.
So the primary purpose was reconciliation through Jesus to the Father.
That being the case in a sense we can walk with God like Adam and Eve did.
Every day in a relationship based on love.
The secondary reason is this
Sorry but going to post the whole chapter because to me it emcompansess it all
Ephesians 2:1-10
Chapter 2
By Grace Through Faith
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Notice verse 10. WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS WHICH GOD PREPARES BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
Good works will follow, but by whom and through whom? JESUS IN US.
Thirdly and this I am very passionate about and I will try to keep countenance here because I can get emotional about it.
Our Father considers the whole being of his children, that being the case it's not just about works it's about the person.
I have read many a post that seems to indicate
You don't work then you are not saved. This is what I get they are saying is the following.
You don't overcome the vile sins of the flesh then you are not saved.
Thats what I call sin management that takes the focus of John 3:16.
A person may be struggling as a result of life experiences and therefore to judge them for that as a matter of fact is wrong.
It is pharisee at the very core.
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and their attitude, it made him angry. You place burdens on them and do not lift a finger to help them. Millstone, neck come to mind.
Praise Jesus he went to to downtrodden and just loved them, to me it was that love that set them free to be like him.
We must do the same.
The Holy Spirit wants to heal us of all things that restrict our walk with God.
If we don't know the true love of a Father, we will walk in a way to appease the Father but underneath we it is nothing to do with love. It's I hope you don't beat up on me.
The same could be said that if we don't know the love of Father and think of ourselves as dirty rotten sinners how will we walk?
It's all about love, and it's that love that drives us. To be like Jesus, walk like him he like him and get behind the scene of someone's life who hasn't quite got that yet.
Never right people off based on what we think the bar that should be reached.
Get alongside people, love them where they are at. If we do then If they are struggling in their walk they will be more open to talk about it.
Then we can be like Jesus.
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Good you recognise nonsense is involved.
This reminds me of teenage to fro exchanges.
But it fails when it is just personal and not subject based.
And the subject is having Christs words abiding in our hearts. So I wonder, do you meditate
on what Jesus, the Lord God said and commanded, or are they just not relevant to a super
disciple who is wearing salvation shoes, which no one can take off and doom you to the
Kingdom whether you want to or not, it is your fate....
This reminds me of teenage to fro exchanges.
But it fails when it is just personal and not subject based.
And the subject is having Christs words abiding in our hearts. So I wonder, do you meditate
on what Jesus, the Lord God said and commanded, or are they just not relevant to a super
disciple who is wearing salvation shoes, which no one can take off and doom you to the
Kingdom whether you want to or not, it is your fate....
i think so as well man, but we can disagree i still have mountains of respect for you, at your age wisdom really shines through in your words most always when i run across your posts. i would disagree 100 percent with the statement you made " repentance has no part in salvation" and the idea that our actions have nothing to do with it.
again im wondering if you read matthew 25:31-46. wouldnt that Kind of make believers actions very very important? Jesus is explaining 2 sets of People there, bioth sets call Him lord, so obviously they Believe He is the Lord. Yet look closely there and you will find the difference in the 2 groups is what they did, and what they refused to do. heres another example of How believers actions will exclude from Gods Kingdom and How lack of repentance will do the same.
Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: ( actions of the person) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
see How that Just reflects the same thing as Jesus and Paul in those 2 other examples? or Heres a much simpler one
1 corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice How paul constantly says things Like this saying " dont be deceived and then making clear that Our actions have great consequence. when you see things that are so consistant in the Word, its because its a principle. you see this same principle from eden to revelation. its there so we arent deceived into believing, that having faith means our actions arent important, paul puts it in His writings so much, to guard against His words Being taken to mean " your actions dont matter" see also ephesians 5, see galatians 6, see romans 8, or the books of thessolonica. its the same principle, not the Only principle in the Word but One that cant be ignored because it does effect salvation clearly.
I mean what i said man, there can be disagreements, because i see wisdom in you. I also think that in 10 years you will have a deep, deeeep understanding because you have so much now. Just dont limit yourself by missing the principles within the Words, or the " spirit of the Word"
again im wondering if you read matthew 25:31-46. wouldnt that Kind of make believers actions very very important? Jesus is explaining 2 sets of People there, bioth sets call Him lord, so obviously they Believe He is the Lord. Yet look closely there and you will find the difference in the 2 groups is what they did, and what they refused to do. heres another example of How believers actions will exclude from Gods Kingdom and How lack of repentance will do the same.
Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: ( actions of the person) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
see How that Just reflects the same thing as Jesus and Paul in those 2 other examples? or Heres a much simpler one
1 corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice How paul constantly says things Like this saying " dont be deceived and then making clear that Our actions have great consequence. when you see things that are so consistant in the Word, its because its a principle. you see this same principle from eden to revelation. its there so we arent deceived into believing, that having faith means our actions arent important, paul puts it in His writings so much, to guard against His words Being taken to mean " your actions dont matter" see also ephesians 5, see galatians 6, see romans 8, or the books of thessolonica. its the same principle, not the Only principle in the Word but One that cant be ignored because it does effect salvation clearly.
I mean what i said man, there can be disagreements, because i see wisdom in you. I also think that in 10 years you will have a deep, deeeep understanding because you have so much now. Just dont limit yourself by missing the principles within the Words, or the " spirit of the Word"