IS A LEGAL MARRIAGE REQUIRED FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE GOD? HEBREW ROOTS/MESSIANIC NONSENSE

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IS LEGAL MARRIAGE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MARRIAGE IN GOD'S SIGHT?

  • Legal marriage is required to have a marriage in God's sight.

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Legal marriage is not required to have a marriage in God's sight; no legal commitment is required.

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Total voters
    9
sparkman

sparkman

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Lest anyone think I'm insane, I don't even question whether legal marriage is required to be considered married before God.

But, I have been hearing this nonsense from Hebrew Roots/Messianic/Torah observer type people.

The claim is that you don't need to be legally married to someone to be married in God's eyes. All you need to do is have sex with a woman, with no commitment, and she is your wife.

Well, I am wondering if anyone here agrees with that. It is insanity. Those who are living with someone and engaging in sex with them are in GROSS IMMORALITY if they are not legally married. They are not living a godly life. Quit fooling yourself. You have something other than a wife if you're not legally married and having sex with her.

And, it is ironic that they are judging non-observant Christians while committing this type of immorality. Many of them claim that other non-observant organizations are the Daughter of Babylon, and claim they are engaging in Ishtar worship, etcetera..same nonsense claims that other cultic groups make. Talk about swallowing a camel while straining gnats.

And, sadly, some of these guys are considered to be teachers.

Yet, some of them AREN'T EVEN LEGALLY MARRIED. How hypocritical can you get?

I think part of this claim is related to the rebellion that they exhibit toward the government, which is also counter-Scriptural per Romans 13.

Realize, folks, that some of these guys who are considered teachers are advocating highly immoral things that are clearly counter-Scriptural.
 
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puppy

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In my opinion it is fornication. I can not condone that.
 
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savedtoast

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sparkman said:
Lest anyone think I'm insane, I don't even question whether legal marriage is required to be considered married before God.

But, I have been hearing this nonsense from Hebrew Roots/Messianic/Torah observer type people.

The claim is that you don't need to be legally married to someone to be married in God's eyes. All you need to do is have sex with a woman, with no commitment, and she is your wife.

Well, I am wondering if anyone here agrees with that. It is insanity. Those who are living with someone and engaging in sex with them are in GROSS IMMORALITY if they are not legally married. They are not living a godly life. Quit fooling yourself. You have something other than a wife if you're not legally married and having sex with her.

And, it is ironic that they are judging non-observant Christians while committing this type of immorality. Many of them claim that other non-observant organizations are the Daughter of Babylon, and claim they are engaging in Ishtar worship, etcetera..same nonsense claims that other cultic groups make. Talk about swallowing a camel while straining gnats.

And, sadly, some of these guys are considered to be teachers.

Yet, some of them AREN'T EVEN LEGALLY MARRIED. How hypocritical can you get?

I think part of this claim is related to the rebellion that they exhibit toward the government, which is also counter-Scriptural per Romans 13.

Realize, folks, that some of these guys who are considered teachers are advocating highly immoral things that are clearly counter-Scriptural.
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Soon we'll be have marriage vows for our pets, do you rover take sprinkles to be you hound dog.

Woolf!
 
Seekingfamily

Seekingfamily

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What if a pastor married you in a ceremony, but it was never filed with government...would it be considered marriage?
 
trofimus

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Aug 17, 2015
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Bible does not declare what exactly is needed to do before being married, so its quite hard to say.

Sometimes parents decided, sometimes by moving to live together, sometimes only promise made them married... In our days, it must be officially recognized by government.

In God´s eyes? I am not sure.

I would like to solve this question myself. Its quite important.
 
tourist

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No, I don't believe that you need to be legally married in order to be married in the eye of God but I believe that it would be most unwise and possibly foolish to not be legally married. One or the other should insist upon it before setting up the living arrangement.
 
trofimus

trofimus

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The problem is not so much about "we are married, because we are living together, we are having sex and we promised each other love etc".

I think the bigger problem can be "what woman am I actually married to, when I had several serious relationships before"?
 
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Amazing-Grace

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In Genesis, God refers to Eve as Adam's "wife" but it is not apparent when they actually became married and there is no mention of any kind of ceremony.
 
Laish

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Jul 31, 2016
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Ok what if you have a civil marriage and not a Church or Christian marriage are you married in God's eyes?
Just to flip it around.
Blessings
Bill
 
Tommy379

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Jan 12, 2016
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Laish said:
Ok what if you have a civil marriage and not a Church or Christian marriage are you married in God's eyes?
Just to flip it around.
Blessings
Bill
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Yes. .
 
Angela_grace

Angela_grace

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Laish said:
Ok what if you have a civil marriage and not a Church or Christian marriage are you married in God's eyes?
Just to flip it around.
Blessings
Bill
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Lol, I once went to a church where the pastor said that if you were not married in the church then your marriage did not have God's blessing. So there were lots of people getting married again. In my head I was like "woah! I thought these people were married." Well they were, they just did not get married in the church. Lol (it was a very legalistic church, I was glad when God called us elsewhere)
 
DJ2

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That's because, although you have had five husbands, the man you live with now is not your husband. That much was the truth. John 4:18 ERV

Playing house and labeling the arrangement as a marriage is sin. God is not to be mocked.
 
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CaptainGoat

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Pay to Caesar what is ceasars. Pay to God what is Gods.
So, though not directly the same subject but similar, a marriage is between a husband, a wife and God. Now if we live in a country that says we need to obtain a marriage licence as it is their law to be married, then it is like paying Caesar what he requires.... It is doing in good faith what this law requires. Dont forget, governments are responsible to God, even if they dont realise it, and will be judged accordingly to the way this govern.
 
Tommy379

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DJ2 said:
That's because, although you have had five husbands, the man you live with now is not your husband. That much was the truth. John 4:18 ERV

Playing house and labeling the arrangement as a marriage is sin. God is not to be mocked.
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The question for her is: why do you have 5 husbands?
 
Tommy379

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The bible ain't really clear on a method to get married. I see what it is clear on, going to court for a divorce don't make a divorce in Gods reckoning.
 
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CaptainGoat

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Memory issues?
 
resurrection33

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sparkman said:
Lest anyone think I'm insane, I don't even question whether legal marriage is required to be considered married before God.

But, I have been hearing this nonsense from Hebrew Roots/Messianic/Torah observer type people.

The claim is that you don't need to be legally married to someone to be married in God's eyes. All you need to do is have sex with a woman, with no commitment, and she is your wife.

Well, I am wondering if anyone here agrees with that. It is insanity. Those who are living with someone and engaging in sex with them are in GROSS IMMORALITY if they are not legally married. They are not living a godly life. Quit fooling yourself. You have something other than a wife if you're not legally married and having sex with her.

And, it is ironic that they are judging non-observant Christians while committing this type of immorality. Many of them claim that other non-observant organizations are the Daughter of Babylon, and claim they are engaging in Ishtar worship, etcetera..same nonsense claims that other cultic groups make. Talk about swallowing a camel while straining gnats.

And, sadly, some of these guys are considered to be teachers.

Yet, some of them AREN'T EVEN LEGALLY MARRIED. How hypocritical can you get?

I think part of this claim is related to the rebellion that they exhibit toward the government, which is also counter-Scriptural per Romans 13.

Realize, folks, that some of these guys who are considered teachers are advocating highly immoral things that are clearly counter-Scriptural.
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I don't know exactly what your thread is driving at. If two virgins fornicate, I suspect the Lord sees them as married to each other from that point on. I do think marriage should be formalized, though perhaps one could hypothesize a situation where that would be impossible.
 
Locutus

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How do two become "one flesh"...
 
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