If we could keep in mind the values of what people believe as being the discussion and not the person it would be a better way to debate any religious subject. Simplified it means that you may be homosexual and others do not accept the homosexual act, it does not mean that they do not like the person. Jesus said that the 11th Commandment is Love one and other but hs did not include Love what one and other do or believe.
I do not believe in the trinity theory and its history in the catholic religion is checked with pagan influences and the need to have Constantine, the Roman Emperor’s power behind the rising of the Roman Church to be brought into the religious concept some 300 years after the last disciple died.
There is one section in the Christian Greek scriptures that really impacting on the inability of the trinity being accurate. It is in relation to the birth and baptism of jesus.
When Jesus was born he did not have any thought of his being the messiah, as far as he was concerned he was just a kid of the times, he had a human mum and dad and lived the life of a faithful Jew. His study and knowledge of the Jewish manuscripts was exemplary and that was because he was a perfect man/boy, using his brain capacity to the fullest and most righteous course.
Point one: Jesus had no connection with His Heavenly Father at this time, nor did he have any of God's Active Force (Holy Spirit) upon him. Jesus did not preform miraculous events, nor did he think that he could. He prayed to God the same way as all the Jewish people did, and he looked forward to the coming of the Messiah. The angles did guide his footsteps, but Jesus did not even know that he was being protected.
Would this then mean the the trinity consisted for these years of Jesus early life, as only God and the Holy Spirit?
When Jesus went to the Jordon to John the Baptist he did so because it had become the rule to do so, and he was not the first to take on this dedication to God, asking for a clean unconscious as other faithful ones were doing. On rising from the immersion in the waters the Bible tells us that the "Heavens opened up to him".
The things that happened at Jesus Baptism did not happen with the others, and remember that when the havens opened up to him Gods Active force, Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus in the form of a white dove. It was here that Jesus recalled his creation, his heavenly relationship with the creator and the joy of helping to create everything else including the angles themselves.
"But more than that happens at Jesus’ baptism. ‘The heavens are opened up’ to him. What does this mean? Likely it means that at the time of Jesus’ baptism, the memory of his prehuman life in heaven returns to him. Thus, Jesus now recalls his life as a spirit son of Jehovah, including truths that God taught him in heaven before he came to earth.
In addition, at Jesus’ baptism a voice from heaven proclaims: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” (
Matthew 3:17) Whose voice is that? It cannot be Jesus’ own voice; he is right there with John. That voice is God’s. Clearly, Jesus is God’s Son. He is not God himself.
Then: Jesus goes into the wilderness for 40 days. Even with this new given Heavenly supplied position of knowing he is the messiah he has a lot to think about and a lot to understand. The Angels administer to him probably bringing messages to him for his Heavenly father, and giving support for the mission ahead.
Point 2: When God said in his own voice (One of the few times that God's voice was head by humans), "This is my son with whom I am well pleased" it was not Jesus' voice being a ventriloquist and it was the first time that the human Jesus had heard his Heavenly Father's voice as well, so does any of this fit in with a trinity theory where they were all one at all times?
Jesus ministry lasted about 3 years and every prophecy spoken and written about the Messiah was fulfilled at his raising to the heavens after his death on the torture stake.