Not By Works
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If you ever get a grasp of context you would make an excellent witness for JESUS......until then and while posting the twisted statements you make without context, you are only helping the side that ends up in a place with higher than normal temps and no liquid.......I stand amazed at your inability to be honest with context and verbiage in order to push the false gospel that you push!
I know that i am saved through Gods Grace, and i understand that i am only saved because He put the desire in my heart and called me to His Son Jesus...When i first came to this thread, i also shook my head thinking people were saying works saved, but through pages of things being explained, i understand now that you Fran and a few others are NOT saying works keep us saved, but works are to follow once we have been saved and as i go deeper in to my Bible i also can see this, my works i do do not keep me saved but they are things done for God, everything we do we must do it to glorify God lest any man should boast, i believe that somewhere in between the two sides who are battling, one side is deaf and the other blind, is there anyone out there who can actually see this from both sides, i can but i can`t quiet put my finger on it, please don`t shoot me, i am but the messenger 
...xox...
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You are seeing a road with two ditches, one on either side. Men are firmly entrenched in both ditches and they pop up and shoot at each other. Neither is on the road while simultaneously blaming the men in the opposite ditch that they are the ones not on the road.
I think it could be resolved better if we would lay off our pet doctrines for a bit and just be open and honest about our own personal walks and where we have struggled in abiding in faith. After all, it's a race of trust. And we know there are obstacles along the way.
But we never get to sharing our struggles of trust because of doctrinal argument that repeats and repeats. Since it hasn't worked, we should just go with open honesty and love, laying down the recriminations of unsaved and false teacher and wolf, because judgement begins with the house of God and we are not ready.
Well...for example, keeping the law to not outwardly murder has been easy for me. I have always kept that law. I have never bludgeoned or strangled or shot someone to death. But we know by our Lord that if we have anger in our heart, we have ALREADY murdered. So the law has deceived me (or however you want to word it). I have thought I kept a law because of my outward behavior when I have murdered many times in an hour before I even leave the house and many more times in rush hour traffic alone!
If I don't have the murder inside, I won't murder outside. The problem springs from inside me so how is looking at the outside going to fix the problem? It won't. It will just deceive me if I do that. It won't lead to humility or any growth in humility. In fact, the opposite happens.
Good morning (my time just woke up),
Oh my goodness, did I just share with you nearly 200+ scriptures which contradict your interpretation of Col 2:16-17 for you to say no to God's Word to hold on to your interpretation of 2 scriptures? (Post 22030 with extra links; Post 22032 + Post 22033; and Post 22034 ?
The fact is, the Sabbath is all through the old and new testament you may not have seen the scriptures although much of the new testament ones were already posted to you. If that is all you have to say to the above posts to justify keeping a man made teaching and tradition that has no basis in the God's Word (Sunday Worship) that is between you and God because God's Word will judge us on the last days and I do not judge you (John 12:48-50). If we love Jesus we should follow His Word (John 14:15).
Scripture support:
Mark 2:27-28; Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Heb 4:1-12 Rev 1:10; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; 1John 2:3-4)
God bless you all
Oh my goodness, did I just share with you nearly 200+ scriptures which contradict your interpretation of Col 2:16-17 for you to say no to God's Word to hold on to your interpretation of 2 scriptures? (Post 22030 with extra links; Post 22032 + Post 22033; and Post 22034 ?
The fact is, the Sabbath is all through the old and new testament you may not have seen the scriptures although much of the new testament ones were already posted to you. If that is all you have to say to the above posts to justify keeping a man made teaching and tradition that has no basis in the God's Word (Sunday Worship) that is between you and God because God's Word will judge us on the last days and I do not judge you (John 12:48-50). If we love Jesus we should follow His Word (John 14:15).
Scripture support:
Mark 2:27-28; Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Heb 4:1-12 Rev 1:10; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; 1John 2:3-4)
God bless you all
Questions Sabbatarians don't like to be asked!
Hi Stunedbygrace, well that is how i see it, two groups on opposite sides in their trench while a few of us walk on the narrow path avoiding the arrows being fired lol...Don`t get me wrong, everyday i have to be careful to avoid my own ditches, but it`s true what you are saying, thing`s are getting repeated so much that some things are being learnt of by heart, and that is not a good thing if what we are reading is not true, anyway nice chatting, but must keep on this narrow path, to many distractions on that broad path ...xox...
...xox...
It's the Vine who supplies all the nutrients for the branch. The branch rests in the Vine. The branch doesn't strain, push, or try to force out fruit. It receives from the Vine. It receives care and pruning from the Vinedresser. It's job is to abide in the Vine and let the Vinedresser prune it to bring more fruit for His vineyard. It also doesn't attack other branches because they don't have very much fruit when it also has very little. This is called being a hypocrite. And by their fruit you shall know the hypocrites and false ones. What is the fruit? Love. And every shade of love looks different. It looks like joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, self-control... the motivation for each of these things is receiving love and giving love. God desires a beautiful vineyard filled with His glory, His love, His grace, and He's working it all out through our lives.
Um...no, I don't believe salvation is temporary. I believe eternal life came to me by grace through faith. I believe it remains mine if I remain and grow in that faith. Israel in the desert had that faith to step out under the towering wall of water that could crush them if it came crashing down. They did not remain in that trust. I don't want to repeat their mistake. I want to run my race and be able to say I have run my race, I have kept my trust.
I agree with you that good things I do to or for others don't save me. I just verge off from you at this exact point: abiding/remaining in trust is not a good thing I do for others and it is necessary. I can't not remain in that trust and then say I have trust that saves me. I can't say I trust God when I won't even obey Him in an earthly thing like money or provision. That just makes me a deceived hypocrite. That's what Israel did. They didn't remain in that trust. They didn't abide. I won't take the Precious Blood and thank Him for this way He made for me back to Him through trust and then throw away continuing in that trust. It didn't work for Israel and I don't see how it can work for me.
I agree with you that good things I do to or for others don't save me. I just verge off from you at this exact point: abiding/remaining in trust is not a good thing I do for others and it is necessary. I can't not remain in that trust and then say I have trust that saves me. I can't say I trust God when I won't even obey Him in an earthly thing like money or provision. That just makes me a deceived hypocrite. That's what Israel did. They didn't remain in that trust. They didn't abide. I won't take the Precious Blood and thank Him for this way He made for me back to Him through trust and then throw away continuing in that trust. It didn't work for Israel and I don't see how it can work for me.
I had to come back to this.
The prize at the end of the race of trust and remaining in that trust is, in my opinion, eternal life, not the adding or removal of certain hats to wear.
And in that race of trust, there is only, in my opinion, one thing that can disqualify me and it would be to not remain in that trust.
The prize at the end of the race of trust and remaining in that trust is, in my opinion, eternal life, not the adding or removal of certain hats to wear.
And in that race of trust, there is only, in my opinion, one thing that can disqualify me and it would be to not remain in that trust.
Those 200+ scriptures absolutely contradict your interpretation of the two scriptures you hold on to in Col 2:16-17. But please by all means tell me how they do not. Links posted for your convenience. (Post 22030 with extra links; Post 22032 + Post 22033; and Post 22034)? Just saying so does not make it so.
There are no rules and regulation to the Sabbath as we are not under the ceremonial laws of Moses and the traditions of the Jews. The ceremonial laws and feast days are nailed to the cross (already shown through scripture in the above posts you have ignored).
You have seen the scriptures in the above posts but you close your eyes to hold on to the teachings and traditions of man. Then you cherry pick scripture to justify breaking God's commandment. There is no scripture in the Word of God that says we no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment Holy. There is no scripture in God's Word commanding us to keep Sunday worship in place of God's Law. Your interpretation has no basis in the Word of God but you keep it to hold on to your traditions.
Jesus says Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (Matt 15:3-9)
This should be a warning to us if we choose the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God. The Word will judge us in the last days (John 12:47-50)
God bless
There are no rules and regulation to the Sabbath as we are not under the ceremonial laws of Moses and the traditions of the Jews. The ceremonial laws and feast days are nailed to the cross (already shown through scripture in the above posts you have ignored).
You have seen the scriptures in the above posts but you close your eyes to hold on to the teachings and traditions of man. Then you cherry pick scripture to justify breaking God's commandment. There is no scripture in the Word of God that says we no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment Holy. There is no scripture in God's Word commanding us to keep Sunday worship in place of God's Law. Your interpretation has no basis in the Word of God but you keep it to hold on to your traditions.
Jesus says Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (Matt 15:3-9)
This should be a warning to us if we choose the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God. The Word will judge us in the last days (John 12:47-50)
God bless
But AM I believing in the One He has sent if I am not remaining in trust and growing in trust? Or am I just SAYING I believe in Him if I worry about money and provision despite all He said regarding it? What, I trust Him to save me but then don't trust Him about a much smaller matter? How then can I say I trust Him? I am both trusting Him for a big thing but then mistrusting and disregarding Him on the smaller point of trust. (This is what Israel did. They stepped out under the towering wall of water but then did not continue in that trust (abide) when it came to trusting Him to provide again tomorrow and so listen and only collect enough for the day.) After all, wouldn't it be a small thing to keep His promise to provide for me after raising my dead body and transforming it?
I had to come back to this.
The prize at the end of the race of trust and remaining in that trust is, in my opinion, eternal life, not the adding or removal of certain hats to wear.
And in that race of trust, there is only, in my opinion, one thing that can disqualify me and it would be to not remain in that trust.
The prize at the end of the race of trust and remaining in that trust is, in my opinion, eternal life, not the adding or removal of certain hats to wear.
And in that race of trust, there is only, in my opinion, one thing that can disqualify me and it would be to not remain in that trust.
Salvation and eternal life are a GIFT......a GIFT cannot be earned and or won.....they are given freely!
If we are the temple of God, as believers and He dwells with us. why is it necessary to set aside any specific day for worship, when I worship Him every day?
1 Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own.
1 Cor 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and each of you is part of it.
Psalm 145:2 Every day will I bless you; and I will praise your name forever and ever.
Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Paul extols to us what our true and proper and acceptable worship is.
If this is our true and proper worship under the New Covenant, then what you are explaining is not!
1 Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own.
1 Cor 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and each of you is part of it.
Psalm 145:2 Every day will I bless you; and I will praise your name forever and ever.
Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Paul extols to us what our true and proper and acceptable worship is.
If this is our true and proper worship under the New Covenant, then what you are explaining is not!
