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Hebrews 8:13 ►
New International Version
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
New Living Translation
When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
English Standard Version
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Berean Study Bible
In speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
Berean Literal Bible
In saying, "new," He has made obsolete the first; and that which is growing old and aging is near vanishing.
New American Standard Bible
When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
King James Bible
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
New International Version
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
New Living Translation
When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
English Standard Version
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Berean Study Bible
In speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
Berean Literal Bible
In saying, "new," He has made obsolete the first; and that which is growing old and aging is near vanishing.
New American Standard Bible
When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
King James Bible
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Good morning Fran from sunny UK...Well i have just read through Matthew 5 and came up to 16 and stopped there for a while, Jesus says " Let your light so shine before men that they may see your moral, excellence and your praiseworthy , noble and good deeds and recognize and honor and praise and glorify your Father Who is in heaven " I see this as works for God, is Jesus not talking to us here...xox...
I see...so what you really mean is "by how we and our group interpret some scriptures"?
Would those that say Jesus is not God qualify for this too?
You may profit from this thread below.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/156032-jesus-god-why-do-some-christians-deny.html
Would those that say Jesus is not God qualify for this too?
You may profit from this thread below.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/156032-jesus-god-why-do-some-christians-deny.html
And the final outcome of that post you are endorsing is - If you don't keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament - you are sinning and dis-obeying God.
Do you completely follow the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament way?
If not the poster you agree with will have to tell you that "You don't believe the word of God, Why don't you believe the word of God and not man's traditions? Don't you love Jesus? You are sinning and dis-obeying God.
Selah....
Do you completely follow the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament way?
If not the poster you agree with will have to tell you that "You don't believe the word of God, Why don't you believe the word of God and not man's traditions? Don't you love Jesus? You are sinning and dis-obeying God.
Selah....
Hi Ariel,
The post was not meant to be a thesis. It was just my testimony on how I found Jesus and how he is saving me. I am surprised that what you said above is all you actually got out of my post 22438 but some people only see what they want to see I guess.
God bless
The post was not meant to be a thesis. It was just my testimony on how I found Jesus and how he is saving me. I am surprised that what you said above is all you actually got out of my post 22438 but some people only see what they want to see I guess.
God bless
A
It's like we play with words some days.
I have heard some people prefer the word "convince" instead of "convict" because they don't like image of prison clothes.
I freely admit I don't like your choice of words because they are unclear and easily misunderstood.
However I will attempt to look past that and see if I agree or disagree with your concepts of what God's chastenment does.
I believe God has to convince us that what we did is a sin before he can show us who we are supposed to be.
I do agree there is an aspect of God revealing who we are in Him in chastenment. However it's more than that for me.
When we sin, we step out of His illuminating light. Often into a pit dug by the enemy.
We should stop and pray and wait upon God. Not just for forgiveness, because we know God is merciful and will forgive, but also for healing and His light.
God's presence chases away the enemy and allows us the Light to see. It is then that the Holy spirit talks to us and shows us why we fell into the pit, How we were lead astray,the kinks in our armor, the arrows that made it through, our spiritual strongholds that war against God.
It is then that God helps us cut off the flesh and strengthen our faith.
God's chastenment is more than "convicting us of righteousness". It is showing us our weakness and teaching us how to cut away the flesh or reinforce our armor. The cutting away of the flesh is what is painful.
Reinforcing armor? That is a joyful thing.
Chastenment is said to be painful while it happens for a reason.
It's like a splinter....hurts to remove but if left in can cause you to lose the whole arm due to rot.
I have heard some people prefer the word "convince" instead of "convict" because they don't like image of prison clothes.
I freely admit I don't like your choice of words because they are unclear and easily misunderstood.
However I will attempt to look past that and see if I agree or disagree with your concepts of what God's chastenment does.
I believe God has to convince us that what we did is a sin before he can show us who we are supposed to be.
I do agree there is an aspect of God revealing who we are in Him in chastenment. However it's more than that for me.
When we sin, we step out of His illuminating light. Often into a pit dug by the enemy.
We should stop and pray and wait upon God. Not just for forgiveness, because we know God is merciful and will forgive, but also for healing and His light.
God's presence chases away the enemy and allows us the Light to see. It is then that the Holy spirit talks to us and shows us why we fell into the pit, How we were lead astray,the kinks in our armor, the arrows that made it through, our spiritual strongholds that war against God.
It is then that God helps us cut off the flesh and strengthen our faith.
God's chastenment is more than "convicting us of righteousness". It is showing us our weakness and teaching us how to cut away the flesh or reinforce our armor. The cutting away of the flesh is what is painful.
Reinforcing armor? That is a joyful thing.
Chastenment is said to be painful while it happens for a reason.
It's like a splinter....hurts to remove but if left in can cause you to lose the whole arm due to rot.
That is true. It is all "code" for - If you don't follow the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament way - you are sinning and dis-obeying God.
There are some extreme sects which say we must keep the law of Moses, Sabbath days, festivals...etc. or we are dis-obeying God and of course this is sinning. These are the Judaizers that Paul refuted and stood against.
There are others that observe things because that is what they want to do and they are free to do so in Christ. We also have the law of liberty in Christ. These others have great things to show how Christ fulfilled the law and in showing Christ in the Hebrew scriptures. That is beautiful.
Then there are those that for some strange reason try to change themselves into being Jewish when they are clearly gentiles. They take up with Jewish names for things and try to speak and appear as if they were from a Jewish ethnic background.
They have a messed up identity and our only true identity is in Christ Himself. I believe they have good hearts and most do mean well but are messed up in their minds about the new creation in Christ.
They think that when people say we are not under the law - that everyone will go wild now. The law of the spirit of life in Christ and the love of God within us is what we live by now.
These Judaziers have the very same belief system as works-based salvationists which is why some times they band together.
I noticed that they never refute each other because essentially they have the same message. Work-based mindsets instead of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
These are in reality replacing Christ for the law of Moses/works - the very same thing that works-based believers do although both groups do give "lip service" to Christ and the message of grace that Paul preached because it is hard to get around these.
There are some extreme sects which say we must keep the law of Moses, Sabbath days, festivals...etc. or we are dis-obeying God and of course this is sinning. These are the Judaizers that Paul refuted and stood against.
There are others that observe things because that is what they want to do and they are free to do so in Christ. We also have the law of liberty in Christ. These others have great things to show how Christ fulfilled the law and in showing Christ in the Hebrew scriptures. That is beautiful.
Then there are those that for some strange reason try to change themselves into being Jewish when they are clearly gentiles. They take up with Jewish names for things and try to speak and appear as if they were from a Jewish ethnic background.
They have a messed up identity and our only true identity is in Christ Himself. I believe they have good hearts and most do mean well but are messed up in their minds about the new creation in Christ.
They think that when people say we are not under the law - that everyone will go wild now. The law of the spirit of life in Christ and the love of God within us is what we live by now.
These Judaziers have the very same belief system as works-based salvationists which is why some times they band together.
I noticed that they never refute each other because essentially they have the same message. Work-based mindsets instead of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
These are in reality replacing Christ for the law of Moses/works - the very same thing that works-based believers do although both groups do give "lip service" to Christ and the message of grace that Paul preached because it is hard to get around these.
Hi Grace777,
So you do not believe my testimony from post 22438? Just wondering what you did not like about it. Anyhow that is how I found Jesus. I walk with Jesus now the same way I found him, by faith. His commandments now to me are His promises. I love Him because he first loved me.
God bless you
A
It is good that God is saving you. Perhaps with time you will see that the New Covenant is MORE than the old covenant repackaged. It is MORE than being empowered to keep the 10 commandments.
Perhaps then you will understand how Jesus is our Sabbath rest and how you can value each day alike.
Perhaps then you will understand how Jesus is our Sabbath rest and how you can value each day alike.
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So much scripture for you 
Carrying on from post 22030
Lessons from the Creation Week
1. Gods 7th Day Sabbath was created BEFORE the fall of mankind (Gen 2:1-3)
2. It was given as the result of the FINISHED work of creation (Gen 2:1)
3. God blessed the 7th day of the week and set it apart from the other days of the week as a holy day of rest (Gen 2:2-3)
4. Jesus tells us that the 7th Day Sabbath was made for mankind (Mark 2:27)
5. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day – the God of creation (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:28).
Now all of this was the result of the FINISHED work of creation and it was made for mankind BEFORE sin entered into the world. This is a very critical point because if the Sabbath was made for sinless man before the fall and was the result of the FINISHED work of creation (Gen 2:1).
Carrying on from post 22030
Lessons from the Creation Week
1. Gods 7th Day Sabbath was created BEFORE the fall of mankind (Gen 2:1-3)
2. It was given as the result of the FINISHED work of creation (Gen 2:1)
3. God blessed the 7th day of the week and set it apart from the other days of the week as a holy day of rest (Gen 2:2-3)
4. Jesus tells us that the 7th Day Sabbath was made for mankind (Mark 2:27)
5. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day – the God of creation (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:28).
Now all of this was the result of the FINISHED work of creation and it was made for mankind BEFORE sin entered into the world. This is a very critical point because if the Sabbath was made for sinless man before the fall and was the result of the FINISHED work of creation (Gen 2:1).
God’s Sabbath-rest occurred when God finished and permanently ceased from all His works of creation, and it was on the seventh day of creation week that God permanently ceased from all His works.
There is a distinction between God’s Sabbath-rest (the permanent ceasing from works) and the later established seventh-day rest (the temporary ceasing from works).
The seventh day rest was established after God had already finished and permanently ceased from all His works. The seventh day rest, then, was simply a temporary, weekly reminder of the permanent, unceasing reality of God’s Sabbath rest from creation.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17
The seventh day rest was a temporary, physical shadow or reflection, that represented the permanent, spiritual reality of God’s Sabbath rest from Creation, a spiritual reality of rest that is now found only in the body of Christ:
We who are born again into the body of Christ are born into the permanent, spiritual reality of God’s Sabbath rest, where we find permanent rest for our souls.
There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own works, just as God did from His. - Hebrews 4:9-10
The Sabbath rest for the people of God is a permanent, unceasing rest from our fleshly works of human nature, just as God’s Sabbath rest is a permanent, unceasing rest from His physical works of creation.
Christ's finished work is not unfinished. You are holding on to the shadow, but the substance belongs to Christ. You are still stuck under the law.
Chapter XV - The Jewish Sabbath Abolished. Colossians 2.
From "Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914 - "Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D. M. Canright, 1914
1. We now come to the direct statement of Paul that the Sabbath was abolished: Col. 2:14, 16, 17. "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. * * * Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days; which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." With other Jewish ordinances, the Sabbath was blotted out and nailed to the cross; therefore no man is to judge us about keeping "the Sabbath days." The statement is positive and plain. When I kept the seventh day this text always perplexed me as it does my Advent brethren now, say what they will. Paul directly names "the Sabbath" or "the Sabbath days," for there is no difference, as among the shadows which have passed away.
2. It is said by some that "the Sabbath days," plural number, is not the same as "the Sabbath," singular number, hence is not the weekly Sabbath. This is a groundless objection, for both the singular and the plural numbers are used indifferently for the weekly Sabbath. Thus Greenfield's Greek N. T. Lexicon says: "Sabbaton. The Sabbath, * * * both in the singular and plural." Bagster's Greek Lexicon says: "The Jewish Sabbath both in the singular and plural." So plain is this fact that even Elder Smith, Adventist, is compelled to admit it though he tries to save his theory by excepting Col. 2, and Acts 17:2, but without reason. He says: "When it [Sabbaton] is used in the plural form [excepting Acts 17:2 and Col. 2:16], it means just the same as if it had been written in the singular." Greek Falsehood, page 8. Col. 2:16, is no exception to the rule. In Acts 17:2, the word THREE is what marks the plural. The Revised Version properly renders Col. 2:16, in the singular, thus: "Let no man therefore judge you in respect of a Sabbath day," singular number. Sawyer's translation says: "In respect to a feast, or new moon, or Sabbath," singular. The Bible Union says: "Of a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a Sabbath," singular.
A few quotations will show that both the singular and plural numbers are used for the weekly Sabbath. "My Sabbaths [plural] shall ye keep for it [singular] is a sign between me and you." Ex. 31:13. This is the weekly Sabbath. "Keep my Sabbaths." Lev. 19:3. "Beside the Sabbaths of the Lord." Lev. 23:38. Adventists argue that this is the weekly Sabbath. "Blessed is the man that * * * keepeth the Sabbath," "the eunuchs that keep my Sabbaths." Isa. 56:3,4. Either singular or plural, no difference. "I gave them my Sabbaths to be a sign." Ez. 20:12. This is the weekly Sabbath, as Adventists well know. "On the Sabbath days [plural] the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath" [singular]. Matt. 12:5. Here we have in the same verse both the plural and singular used for the weekly Sabbath. "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath days?" Matt. 12:10. "Taught them on the Sabbath days." Luke 4:31. "Three Sabbath days reasoned with them." Acts 17:2. "Let no man therefore judge you * * * in respect of the Sabbath days." Col. 2:16.
Who can read this list of texts and not be profoundly impressed that by "the Sabbath days" of Col. 2:16 Paul means just what that language means in all the other cases? Of course he did, and no other reasonable application can be made of it.
3. In the Greek, in which Paul wrote Col. 2:16, he uses not only the same word which is always used for the weekly Sabbath, but exactly the same form of the word used in the fourth commandment itself! I will give the Greek word for "Sabbath days" in Col. 2:16 and other texts where the same word and same form of the word, letter for letter, is used for the weekly Sabbath. Col. 2:16. "Let no man judge you in respect to the Sabbath days," Greek, Sabbaton, genitive plural.
Ex. 20:8,10, fourth commandment, "Remember the Sabbath day (Greek, Sabbaton, genitive plural) to keep it holy." "But the seventh day is the Sabbath [Greek, Sabbate, accusative plural] of the Lord." Here it will be seen that Paul uses the same Greek word, letter for letter, that is used in the decalogue. Hence he surely meant that very Sabbath day. Notice, further, that in each case in the fourth commandment where the word "Sabbath" occurs it is plural in the Greek.
So if the use of the plural in Col. 2 shows any thing, it shows that the Sabbath of the decalogue is meant. Moreover, the Revised Version renders Ex. 20:10, and Col. 2:16, exactly alike. Thus: "The seventh day is a Sabbath unto the Lord." "Let no man judge you in respect of 'a Sabbath.' " Plainly, then, Col. 2:16, refers to the Sabbath of Ex. 20:8-11.
Further, Sabbaton, genitive plural, the form of the word used in Col. 2:16, is the one often used in other texts for the weekly Sabbath. Thus: Ex. 35:3, "Kindle no fire * * * upon the Sabbath day," [Sabbaton]. Lev. 23:38. "Besides the Sabbaths [Sabbaton] of the Lord." Lev. 24:8. "Every Sabbath [Sabbaton] he shall set it in order." Num. 15:32. "Gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day," [Sabbaton] Numbers 28:9. "On the Sabbath [Sabbaton] day two lambs." Deut. 5:12. Fourth commandment again, "Keep the Sabbath [Sabbaton] day." Isa. 58:13. "Turn away thy foot from the Sabbath," [Sabbaton] Matt. 28:1. "In the end of the Sabbath," [Sabbaton] Luke 4:16. "He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath [Sabbaton] day." Acts 13:14. "Went into the synagogue on the Sabbath [Sabbaton] day." Col. 2:16. "Let no man therefore judge you * * * in respect of the Sabbath [Sabbaton] days."
Unless a man is blinded by a pet theory, he must see that Col. 2:16 does surely mean the weekly Sabbath, as in all the other texts where the same word occurs.
4. The only word ever used in the Bible, for the weekly Sabbath is the very one Paul did use, Sabbaton. So if he had meant to name that Sabbath, what else could he have said than just what he did say, the Sabbath days? Why, then, deny that he means just what he says when he could have said nothing else if he had meant the Sabbath?
5. The word Sabbath occurs in the New Testament 60 times. Seventh-Day Adventists admit that in 59 out of these 60 cases it means the weekly Sabbath; but in the 60th case, where exactly the same word is used both in Greek and English, as we have seen, they say it must mean something else! Isn't that remarkable? Hear them: "In the New Testament the Sabbath of the Lord is mentioned 59 times, and those local Sabbaths, which expired by limitation and ceased at the cross, are mentioned once." Scripture References, p. 9. Strange that the Sabbath means the Sabbath 59 times and the 60th time it don't! "Jewish feasts are often spoken of in the New Testament but, not one of them anywhere is called a Sabbath or credited with the nature of a Sabbath." The Sabbath for Man, p. 544.
6. "The feast days and new moons" of Col. 2:16, include all the holy days of the Jews except the weekly Sabbath; hence there was nothing else left to which it could apply but that Sabbath. The entire list is given in Num. 28 and 29.
7. But what settles it beyond a reasonable doubt that Col. 2:16, does refer to the weekly Sabbaths is the fact that exactly the same list of holy days here given by Paul is given about a dozen times in the Old Testament, where we know it means the seventh day.
Turn to Num. 28 and 29, and you have a detailed law as to just what offerings shall be made on each day of the whole year. The first were the daily offerings of "two lambs," day by day, for a continual burnt offering. "The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at the even." Verse 3 and 4. The second were the offerings on the sabbath. "And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot," verse 9 and 10. None will deny that this was the weekly sabbath. Third, in the very next verse come the new moons. "And in the beginning of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord," verses 11-15. Fourth comes the annual feast days. "And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the Lord," verse 16. Then follows a complete list of all the annual feast days, closing with these words, "These things shall ye do unto the Lord in your set feasts," Num. 29:39.
Here we have the law for the daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly offerings; or, those on each day, on the weekly sabbaths, on the new moons, and on the yearly feast days. Now read the following texts, and notice how this list of daily offerings, offerings on the sabbaths, on the new moons, and on the set feasts, as laid down in the law of Moses, is repeatedly referred to in almost exactly the words of Col. 2:16.
1 Chron., 23:3O, 31: "To stand every morning to thank and praise the Lord, and likewise at even; and to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the Lord in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them." Here is a direct reference to the daily offerings, offerings on the weekly sabbaths, new moons and set feasts, just as ordered in Num. 28 and 29. Can any one doubt that "the sabbaths" here are the weekly sabbaths, the same as there? Certainly not.
2 Chron. 2:4: "Behold, I build an house to the name of the Lord my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shew bread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening [daily], on the sabbaths [weekly], and on the new moons, [monthly], and on the solemn feasts [yearly] of the Lord." Precisely the same list again, and in the same order, hence the weekly sabbaths are the ones named. Besides, it would be absurd to suppose that Solomon would name all the other and minor holy days, but say nothing about the chiefest of all days, the weekly sabbaths. Every candid man would admit that "the sabbaths" here are the weekly sabbaths, and so they are in all the passages which follow.
2 Chron. 8:13: "Even after a certain rate every day [daily again], offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths [weekly], and on the new moons [monthly], and on the solemn feasts [yearly], three times in the year." Same list and order as before.
2 Chron. 31:3: "The morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord." The same list again, daily, weekly, monthly and yearly offerings, just in the order they would naturally come, and just as given "in the law of the Lord." Num. 28 and 29. But if the sabbaths are not the weekly sabbaths, then the Lord names the daily, monthly and yearly offerings, but skips the weekly offerings. Every thinking man knows that such an interpretation is false. But it is the only way the sabbaths can be saved from Paul's list, Col. 2:16, for that is the same as all these. As the object in these passages is to mention the service of God which must be performed on each of the holy days, it would be absurd to suppose that all the other sacred days in the whole year would be carefully mentioned time and again, while no reference whatever it made to the weekly sabbaths, the most important and the most numerous of all the sacred days.
Neh. 10:33: "For the shew bread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new, moons, for the set feasts." Same list again, daily, weekly, monthly and yearly. Either the weekly sabbaths are meant here, or else reference to the worship of God on the Sabbath is always studiously avoided, while all the rest is carefully mentioned. The evidence is too plain to mistake which.
Ezek. 45:17: "Offerings in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths." Here are named exactly the same days that Paul gives in Col. 2:16, and in the same order, yearly, monthly, weekly.
Hosea 2:11: "I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts." Same list of holy days that we have had over and over, where we know that sabbath meant the seventh day.
Col. 2:16: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day, (Rev. Version), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." Here, as before, are the yearly, monthly and weekly holy days just as laid down in the law where we know the weekly sabbaths are meant. It is evident that Paul had in his mind those lists of holy days so often given in the Old Testament, where the sabbath is included.
The words "the sabbath days" would certainly embrace the weekly sabbaths unless they were especially named as excepted. But no such exception is made. Hence we must apply the term as it is used in the law, to the seventh day.
Hosea 2:11, is a plain prophecy that all these holy days should cease just as we know has happened in fact; and in Col. 2:16, is proof that they were nailed to the cross.
Colossians 2:16-17 is proof. Now show me under the New Covenant where God demands that believers must keep the Sabbath day.
The Sabbath is a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:17).
*NOW I WILL ASK YOU FOR A THIRD TIME. DO YOU ATTEND THE SDA CHURCH OR THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD? (ARMSTRONGISM) *WHY DO YOU KEEP DODGING MY QUESTION?
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Yes Dcon.
Isn't it just TERRIBLE to push works for God.
Better to say that we are to do NOTHING even though Jesus clearly stated what we are to do.
Try Mathew 25:1-46
Then pay special attention to verses:
Mathew 25:44-46
I like to remind everyone that this is JESUS speaking...:
Matthew 25:44-46 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [a]take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
JESUS said that those who did not do what He commanded, feed the hungry, visit the sick, will go into eternal punishment.
Jesus is saying that they did NOT DO what He asked,,,
He DID NOT say that since they "believed in Him, they would automatically be saved".
I'm still waiting on those verses BTW...
By YOU or ANYONE...
(I know they're not forthcoming because they don't exist)
Isn't it just TERRIBLE to push works for God.
Better to say that we are to do NOTHING even though Jesus clearly stated what we are to do.
Try Mathew 25:1-46
Then pay special attention to verses:
Mathew 25:44-46
I like to remind everyone that this is JESUS speaking...:
Matthew 25:44-46 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [a]take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
JESUS said that those who did not do what He commanded, feed the hungry, visit the sick, will go into eternal punishment.
Jesus is saying that they did NOT DO what He asked,,,
He DID NOT say that since they "believed in Him, they would automatically be saved".
I'm still waiting on those verses BTW...
By YOU or ANYONE...
(I know they're not forthcoming because they don't exist)
I have read your post and where you deviate from the New Covenant is this below as many have already told you here on CC.
"A counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. "
The truth is that we are gong to be judged by what Paul called "My gospel" according to Christ Himself as He took away the sin of the world. Reject His sacrifice for sins and this is called willful sinning and there remains no more sacrifice for sins.
Romans 2:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
I am very glad you have found Christ and may the Lord open your eyes to see the New Covenant and that he alone is our true Sabbath rest. All the law and the prophets speak of Christ Himself. The Old Testament is a shadow or type of the real substance which is Christ Himself. Col. 2:16-17
The Lord bless you too and He will be faithful to reveal Himself to you as well as to all of us.
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If you love Jesus then these promises are for you....
John 14:15
If you love me keep my commandments
1Jo 2:3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4,
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I judge no man
JOHN 12:
[SUP]47,[/SUP] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [SUP]48,[/SUP] He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
God bless you
John 14:15
If you love me keep my commandments
1Jo 2:3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4,
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I judge no man
JOHN 12:
[SUP]47,[/SUP] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [SUP]48,[/SUP] He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
God bless you
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