Did the Israelites kill all of them? Seems that DNA of the Lebanese people says no.
Study Disproves Bible Claim
Study Disproves Bible Claim
What Happened to the Canaanites?
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Where did they find the control sample from which they determined who is of Canaanite descent? There is only a very small deviation in all of human DNA to separate the different ethnic groups it is really difficult to come to a conclusion on the matter. The scientist must be above reproach or their results may be suspect.
Just like the twelve tribes God knows who is who by a far more reliable methodology than DNA.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Just like the twelve tribes God knows who is who by a far more reliable methodology than DNA.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I could be wrong but looking at the following
Exodus 23:27-32
27 “I will send My fear before you, I will cause confusion among all the people to whom you come, and will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. 28 And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite from before you. 29 I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased, and you inherit the land. 31 And I will set your bounds from the Red Sea to the sea, Philistia, and from the desert to the River. For I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you. 32 You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
Is it possible that some of the people were driven out of Canaan? That's what verse 28 seems to suggest.
Maybe it was to reduce the numbers in the land so that when Israel went into the land then the number of the enemies was reduced and therefore easier to conquer the land.
Exodus 23:27-32
27 “I will send My fear before you, I will cause confusion among all the people to whom you come, and will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. 28 And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite from before you. 29 I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased, and you inherit the land. 31 And I will set your bounds from the Red Sea to the sea, Philistia, and from the desert to the River. For I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you. 32 You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
Is it possible that some of the people were driven out of Canaan? That's what verse 28 seems to suggest.
Maybe it was to reduce the numbers in the land so that when Israel went into the land then the number of the enemies was reduced and therefore easier to conquer the land.
There were still Canaanites in Jesus' day.
Matthew 15:21-28
Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.”
But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
Matthew 15:21-28
Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.”
But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
The science behind DNA ancestry testing is sketchy. Here they did a test on identical triplets of scandinavan descent on The Doctors tv show. It showed that they had varied results even though they are identical triplets.
The results also pegged them as europeans from britain or ireland even though they are scandinavian...
The Triplets Put Ancestry Kits to the Test
The results also pegged them as europeans from britain or ireland even though they are scandinavian...
The Triplets Put Ancestry Kits to the Test
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Please like man can even think about disproving the bible accounts.
The Tribe of Dan is reprimanded in the Bible's Song of Deborah for
not participating in the war against the Canaanites. (Judges 5:17).
The Tribe of Dan failed to conquer the portion of the land of Israel that was given to them as
their original inheritance. That failure forced the tribe to move north, where it took over the
land called Laish, renaming it Dan (Joshua 19:47).
That became the northern limit of Israel. King Jeroboam I built a pagan temple in
the land of Dan and set up a golden calf to be worshiped (1 Kings 12:29).
That tragic sin prompted the prophet Amos to include the land of Dan in his denouncement of
pagan worshippers, that they shall fall and never rise again (Amos 8:14). The Tribe of Dan is
not mentioned as one of the tribes to have 12,000 members promised the Seal of God in
Revelation 7:1-8. The name Dan means "to judge" or "vindicate."
Future mill.
Zechariah 14:21
The Tribe of Dan is reprimanded in the Bible's Song of Deborah for
not participating in the war against the Canaanites. (Judges 5:17).
The Tribe of Dan failed to conquer the portion of the land of Israel that was given to them as
their original inheritance. That failure forced the tribe to move north, where it took over the
land called Laish, renaming it Dan (Joshua 19:47).
That became the northern limit of Israel. King Jeroboam I built a pagan temple in
the land of Dan and set up a golden calf to be worshiped (1 Kings 12:29).
That tragic sin prompted the prophet Amos to include the land of Dan in his denouncement of
pagan worshippers, that they shall fall and never rise again (Amos 8:14). The Tribe of Dan is
not mentioned as one of the tribes to have 12,000 members promised the Seal of God in
Revelation 7:1-8. The name Dan means "to judge" or "vindicate."
Future mill.
Zechariah 14:21
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts:
and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
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What seems to be apparent and given the above posts (which are excellent) those who write the article that was posted actually only look at one portion of scripture.
They tend to do that with what they consider negative and brutal passages.
My understanding was that it was around 400 years after the land that was promised to Abraham would be entered.
God had given the Canaanites 400 years to turn from their sin and turn to him.
My further understanding is that Israel would have camped outside the land and warned them what was about to happen (that may be wrong but I read it somewhere)
Their practices were abominable and such practices today if done would be considered the same dealt with by the judicial systems in place.
If I have got it right Abraham was in Canaan when it was promised to his descendants
Genesis 13:12
12 Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelt in the cities of the plain and pitched his tent even as far as Sodom.
If I have got that bit wrong let me know. I am not a biblical scholar.
They tend to do that with what they consider negative and brutal passages.
My understanding was that it was around 400 years after the land that was promised to Abraham would be entered.
God had given the Canaanites 400 years to turn from their sin and turn to him.
My further understanding is that Israel would have camped outside the land and warned them what was about to happen (that may be wrong but I read it somewhere)
Their practices were abominable and such practices today if done would be considered the same dealt with by the judicial systems in place.
If I have got it right Abraham was in Canaan when it was promised to his descendants
Genesis 13:12
12 Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelt in the cities of the plain and pitched his tent even as far as Sodom.
If I have got that bit wrong let me know. I am not a biblical scholar.
I watched a video on this article. The video narrator claims the Bible says they were wiped out, and quoted God telling Israel to do so, Deuteronomy 20:17 but there is nothing in that verse or in all Scripture saying they did annihilate them, so the entire premise is incorrect. Of course those who hate God don't want all the facts.
Here is a link to the video: https://usat.ly/2tKrcX4
Here is a link to the video: https://usat.ly/2tKrcX4
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I haven't studied Canaanite culture, but many countries would send women and children away before a battle, so it's possible a few left. And, I know some of the enemies of Israel in the Old Testament were enslaved, and God allowed intermarriage with war captives under certain circumstanses. He provided protection for potential concubines. That being said, I know there were also cases where God ordered that absolutely no survivor be allowed (probably because they were burning their children and that type of culture had to end). There might have been scattered survivors or biracial children that survived. And the Israelites and the Canaanites had the same ancestors, so some might have had similar DNA/genetics (not a scientist or doctor so I'm not sure how likely that is). As Desertrose pointed out, there were still Canaanites in Jesus' lifetime so they weren't entirely wiped out during the Old Testament.
But, they wouldn't have been a powerful or large group of people. Maybe a remnant.
But, they wouldn't have been a powerful or large group of people. Maybe a remnant.
A simple read through of the OT shows the title of this article is completely wrong.
Yes, they were told to wipe out the Canaanites before they entered the promised land. But almost from the beginning, they failed to do that! They were tricked by the Gibeonites, who acted deceptively, and pretended they were from a far away land, and had Joshua promise he would not kill them in Josh. 9. Joshua had a successful campaign north, including burning Hazor to the ground. (Josh 11:1-15) The Bible says he also conquered the Negev, the land of Goshen, the foothills, the Arabah, the hill country of Israel, up to the valley of Lebanon. (Josh 11:16-23)
The Israelites also took the land east of the Jordan (Josh 12:1-6), territory west of the Jordan, (Josh 12:7-24) The problems started when Joshua started to get old and their were unconquered lands left. He lists the land that remains in Joshua 13:1-13.
"Yet the people of Israel did not drive out the Geshurites or the Maacathites, but Geshur and Maacath dwell in the midst of Israel to this day." Josh. 13:13
In fact, the first sentence of the books of Judges states the fact that the Canaanites and other people had not been killed or driven out of the land.
"After the death of Joshua, the people of Israel inquired of the Lord, “Who shall go up first for us against the Canaanites, to fight against them?" Judges 1:1
The areas never conquered included Philistia, Phoenicia, Aram, Geshur, Maacah and the Valley of Jezreel. Judges 1 contains more on this.
Articles like this should get their basic Bible facts down. It is important to know the Israelites did not drive the Canaanites and other people's out, because this is how they got seduced by other gods, which ended the nation of Israel, as God used the Assyrians in 722 BC to carry Israel into permanent captivity, and the Babylonians to carry away Judah in 586 BC, into captivity, because of idolatry.
I highly recommend people read the OT narratives if they want to know more. They certainly are an exciting an interesting read!
Yes, they were told to wipe out the Canaanites before they entered the promised land. But almost from the beginning, they failed to do that! They were tricked by the Gibeonites, who acted deceptively, and pretended they were from a far away land, and had Joshua promise he would not kill them in Josh. 9. Joshua had a successful campaign north, including burning Hazor to the ground. (Josh 11:1-15) The Bible says he also conquered the Negev, the land of Goshen, the foothills, the Arabah, the hill country of Israel, up to the valley of Lebanon. (Josh 11:16-23)
The Israelites also took the land east of the Jordan (Josh 12:1-6), territory west of the Jordan, (Josh 12:7-24) The problems started when Joshua started to get old and their were unconquered lands left. He lists the land that remains in Joshua 13:1-13.
"Yet the people of Israel did not drive out the Geshurites or the Maacathites, but Geshur and Maacath dwell in the midst of Israel to this day." Josh. 13:13
In fact, the first sentence of the books of Judges states the fact that the Canaanites and other people had not been killed or driven out of the land.
"After the death of Joshua, the people of Israel inquired of the Lord, “Who shall go up first for us against the Canaanites, to fight against them?" Judges 1:1
The areas never conquered included Philistia, Phoenicia, Aram, Geshur, Maacah and the Valley of Jezreel. Judges 1 contains more on this.
Articles like this should get their basic Bible facts down. It is important to know the Israelites did not drive the Canaanites and other people's out, because this is how they got seduced by other gods, which ended the nation of Israel, as God used the Assyrians in 722 BC to carry Israel into permanent captivity, and the Babylonians to carry away Judah in 586 BC, into captivity, because of idolatry.
I highly recommend people read the OT narratives if they want to know more. They certainly are an exciting an interesting read!
Apparently the people who wrote this article has issued a ciporrectin, saying that indeed, Israel did not defeat rge Caananites.
Media Get It Wrong on Bible Account of Canaanites; Only 1 Issues Correction
"The Telegraph also declared that the study that was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics disproved the Bible but it was the only publication among the 12 examined that issued a correction and modified its headline. The correction reads: "The original version of this story erroneously said the Bible claimed the Canaanites were wiped. However, elsewhere in the Bible, it says the elimination was not successful."
"Citing the Bible, the team states: "the Bible reports the destruction of the Canaanite cities and the annihilation of its people; if true, the Canaanites could not have directly contributed genetically to present-day populations. However, no archaeological evidence has so far been found to support widespread destruction of Canaanite cities between the Bronze and Iron Ages: cities on the Levant coast such as Sidon and Tyre show continuity of occupation until the present day."Michael Brown, author and host of "Line of Fire," argued that unlike many of the headlines, the results of the study actually confirm what the Bible states. In Deuteronomy 20, God orders the Israelites to completely destroy the Canaanites, among others. But they did not complete their mission. Thus, "the inhabitants of Lebanon were not driven out, as these DNA discoveries seem to confirm."
"So, the headlines should have read, 'DNA Confirms the Bible,'" Brown said, echoing what other Christians have also pointed out in the comments sections of the articles in question.
Biblical illiteracy is a big issue these days. Make sure you read the whole Bible, even the hard parts. I just finished Revelation and back to Matthew. I also finished the book of Matt in Greek, and I am still in 1 Samuel, having studied the narratives in the OT and I am on Psalm 12. The narratives are so interesting to read, I often have to remind myself to stop and put down the Bible and start thinking about God, rather than men's part in salvation! And reading the original after just reading those books pointed out the article error of these secular people, who did not know the Bible.
Media Get It Wrong on Bible Account of Canaanites; Only 1 Issues Correction
"The Telegraph also declared that the study that was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics disproved the Bible but it was the only publication among the 12 examined that issued a correction and modified its headline. The correction reads: "The original version of this story erroneously said the Bible claimed the Canaanites were wiped. However, elsewhere in the Bible, it says the elimination was not successful."
"Citing the Bible, the team states: "the Bible reports the destruction of the Canaanite cities and the annihilation of its people; if true, the Canaanites could not have directly contributed genetically to present-day populations. However, no archaeological evidence has so far been found to support widespread destruction of Canaanite cities between the Bronze and Iron Ages: cities on the Levant coast such as Sidon and Tyre show continuity of occupation until the present day."Michael Brown, author and host of "Line of Fire," argued that unlike many of the headlines, the results of the study actually confirm what the Bible states. In Deuteronomy 20, God orders the Israelites to completely destroy the Canaanites, among others. But they did not complete their mission. Thus, "the inhabitants of Lebanon were not driven out, as these DNA discoveries seem to confirm."
"So, the headlines should have read, 'DNA Confirms the Bible,'" Brown said, echoing what other Christians have also pointed out in the comments sections of the articles in question.
Biblical illiteracy is a big issue these days. Make sure you read the whole Bible, even the hard parts. I just finished Revelation and back to Matthew. I also finished the book of Matt in Greek, and I am still in 1 Samuel, having studied the narratives in the OT and I am on Psalm 12. The narratives are so interesting to read, I often have to remind myself to stop and put down the Bible and start thinking about God, rather than men's part in salvation! And reading the original after just reading those books pointed out the article error of these secular people, who did not know the Bible.
Do New DNA Discoveries Really Disprove the Bible?
the headlines should have read, “DNA Confirms the Bible.”
https://townhall.com/columnists/mic...tter&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
the headlines should have read, “DNA Confirms the Bible.”
https://townhall.com/columnists/mic...tter&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social