Not By Works
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~Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives as the Messiah loved the church and gave himself for it,
Eph 5:26 so that he might make it holy by cleansing it, washing it with water and the word,
Eph 5:27 and might present the church to himself in all its glory, without a spot or wrinkle or anything of the kind, but holy and without fault.
This is a marriage. We are His bride, and He is our groom. We submit to His will, and carry out His work but by the power of Holy Spirit within...the friend of the groom.
Living, moving, having our being in Him. He doesn't demand...He loves, and we love in return.
I never said we would not accomplish works. But, my definition of works may be different than others.
It was this post that I said would answer.
Eph 5:26 so that he might make it holy by cleansing it, washing it with water and the word,
Eph 5:27 and might present the church to himself in all its glory, without a spot or wrinkle or anything of the kind, but holy and without fault.
This is a marriage. We are His bride, and He is our groom. We submit to His will, and carry out His work but by the power of Holy Spirit within...the friend of the groom.
Living, moving, having our being in Him. He doesn't demand...He loves, and we love in return.
I never said we would not accomplish works. But, my definition of works may be different than others.
It was this post that I said would answer.
I would say works do not keep us saved but works are evidence of being saved. Although I would say we need to be very careful as to what works and the level of works that evidence faith.
To say just believe and all is ok and nothing is required to me is not right.
Paul dealt with this in Romans 5-6.
So to me works are not necessary for salvation but as a result of salvation.
The point to me is what is necessary for salvation? Faith alone, nothing more and nothing less.
Then works will follow.
What really worries me and disturbs me and I will always bang on about this if someone is not walking in works, firstly we are judging and secondly we write them off as unbelievers. With no regard to what the issue is.
I have come across people who actually feel that God won't use them because they are not worthy, I'm a dirty sinner oh well want hope is there for me?
if somoene said that to you how would you respond?
To say just believe and all is ok and nothing is required to me is not right.
Paul dealt with this in Romans 5-6.
So to me works are not necessary for salvation but as a result of salvation.
The point to me is what is necessary for salvation? Faith alone, nothing more and nothing less.
Then works will follow.
What really worries me and disturbs me and I will always bang on about this if someone is not walking in works, firstly we are judging and secondly we write them off as unbelievers. With no regard to what the issue is.
I have come across people who actually feel that God won't use them because they are not worthy, I'm a dirty sinner oh well want hope is there for me?
if somoene said that to you how would you respond?
I have an idea that we have all been sent here from diffrent plannets that have once evolved and blown up befor... are genetic make ups gets fosselised in the form of almino acids inside rocks.. then we float out to space and are reborn again somewhere else...
We are all in groundhog day... untill we crack the fountain of youth.... which will happen when we are worthy..
We are all in groundhog day... untill we crack the fountain of youth.... which will happen when we are worthy..
You are terribly confused Stephen. What happened was you repeatedly falsely accused me and then told us you could admit it if you were wrong but then refused to admit you were wrong and continued to insert yourself (like a good little narcissist) into what I had said when I was not even thinking of you. You have been proven to be a liar many times over
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I have an idea that we have all been sent here from diffrent plannets that have once evolved and blown up befor... are genetic make ups gets fosselised in the form of almino acids inside rocks.. then we float out to space and are reborn again somewhere else...
We are all in groundhog day... untill we crack the fountain of youth.... which will happen when we are worthy..
We are all in groundhog day... untill we crack the fountain of youth.... which will happen when we are worthy..
Yes, it is the works of the Spirit of God in us, and not the works of the flesh. We can so easily see the works of the flesh when people like Fran falsely accuse others and pretend they should be listened to while they constantly reject any need of hearing others. Since Fran has said she will mention people's names at will, she should not complain that others do the same
Falsely Accuse Others
Pretend We Should Be Listened To
We Reject Hearing Others
Fran Complains
And yet you start your diatribe with this:
Yes, it is the works of the Spirit of God in us,
Yes Ma'am. You certainly have the spirit of God working in you.
That's some mighty odd fruits you've got there,
But whateva you think, MUST BE CORRECT.
You are terribly confused Stephen. What happened was you repeatedly falsely accused me and then told us you could admit it if you were wrong but then refused to admit you were wrong and continued to insert yourself (like a good little narcissist) into what I had said when I was not even thinking of you. You have been proven to be a liar many times over
But Stephen is not one of them.
And I'm sure he won't be upset that you called him a liar.
Everyone that does not agree with you is a liar.
So the word has lost all meaning---thanks to you !!