Not By Works

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JIMBO43 said:
coz unlike you who think they know it all there is such thing as honesty when people say they dont know something...

should we say we know something when we dont ?
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Jimmy....what is wrong with you.....YOU said YOU cannot KNOW....ALL I did was quote a verse which states you can KNOW. Are you dense or something?
 
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When I am in the shit pit of life what does Jesus do? When we call out to him.

Is it

Oh dear, it's your own fault now reach out and I will pull you out.

Or is it

Move over and make room for me, I'm coming alongside you in the pit then we will walk out together.
 
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JIMBO43 said:
and what about braggers rights ? what about you thinking you marines are the best ? or what about you thinking we never wooped you on the field of battle ? hmmmmmmmmmm
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Maybe yo don't red every post....I actually boasted in the Royal Marines and SAS.....that's ok.........it has nothing to do with boasting about what Christ has done and continues to do....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Jimmy....what is wrong with you.....YOU said YOU cannot KNOW....ALL I did was quote a verse which states you can KNOW. Are you dense or something?
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your the one who is dense pal.. your works are of rubble and stones...


You have decided you have recieved your final due and are the done deal befor anyone else... and im just wondering why and ive asked you why you think that and sofar all you have shown me is maybies and wannabees... and insults... hardly the done deal in my book but HEY if your dense your dense...
 
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I believe I am saved now in that I am a born again child of God beloved by Him.

I will be saved in the future when He gives me a glorified body to live eternally with Him.

...,catching up on my reading but kind of confused where the conversation is.
 
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For as much as you did it not to the least of these my brothers and sisters, you did it not to me." Jesus is saying, for as much as we have not Loved Him in the least estemed, we have not Loved Him by His Spirit: uncoditionally.
 
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dcontroversal said:
AMEN.......works of the law or grace....one or the other....I take grace any day......
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grace is given when you repent too ,,which is something you lack which is repentance... this comes from a hardened heart... which also comes from those who think they are the done deal...
 
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Ariel82 said:
I believe I am saved now in that I am a born again child of God beloved by Him.

I will be saved in the future when He gives me a glorified body to live eternally with Him.

...,catching up on my reading but kind of confused where the conversation is.
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AMEN....that is what it teaches...

a. Saved when I believed
b. Saved right now
c. Saved into the future
d. Culminates on the day of redemption with a new body animated by Spirit......!
 
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JIMBO43 said:
grace is given when you repent too ,,which is something you lack which is repentance... this comes from a hardened heart... which also comes from those who think they are the done deal...
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Like you know anything about me pal.....!
 
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BillG said:
Faith plus works is biblical.

But works are as a result of faith in Jesus and walking like he has asked us to.
Believers are created to do good works.

Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

But those works do not save us.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

You often say "works keep us saved"
Sorry but I have to disagree given the above verses.

Yes if we truly believe in Jesus we will want to be like him and walk like him.
Not be saved but because we are saved by him and through him and what he did on the cross for us.
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I know all this Bill.

Some here are saying that WORKS DO NOT SAVE OR KEEP SAVED.

They are implying that WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY.

JESUS said that we're to do what HE commanded.

It's not right to say that works are not necessary, they ARE.

If one is not saved, of course works are of no value...
But we're speaking about saved people here.

So, bottom line, are works necessary or not?
Could we go happily along and DO NOTHING and say we're still saved because we believe in Jesus?

NO.

Works are a result of being saved and loving our Lord.
But we must have works ---- if we don't, what does that say?

So, you see. It's better to say that works ARE necessary.
Some here constantly say they are NOT.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Upon being born again one does not automatically put to death the flesh(also referred to as circumcision of the flesh) but must grow and learn how to do it by walking with the Holy spirit. Learn to tame the tongue and produce good fruit, tear down spiritual strongholds, etc,
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no one has been able to tame the tongue.... have you just checking ?
 
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FranC said:
I know all this Bill.

Some here are saying that WORKS DO NOT SAVE OR KEEP SAVED.

They are implying that WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY.

JESUS said that we're to do what HE commanded.

It's not right to say that works are not necessary, they ARE.

If one is not saved, of course works are of no value...
But we're speaking about saved people here.

So, bottom line, are works necessary or not?
Could we go happily along and DO NOTHING and say we're still saved because we believe in Jesus?

NO.

Works are a result of being saved and loving our Lord.
But we must have works ---- if we don't, what does that say?

So, you see. It's better to say that works ARE necessary.
Some here constantly say they are NOT.
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The bolded above.....nothing but deception on your part.....the only thing being said which is biblical is, works do not save or keep saved.....but you like to twist that into the above.........very deceptive on your part.....states a lot about your character!
 
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BillG said:
When I am in the shit pit of life what does Jesus do? When we call out to him.

Is it

Oh dear, it's your own fault now reach out and I will pull you out.

Or is it

Move over and make room for me, I'm coming alongside you in the pit then we will walk out together.
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there is no pit deep enough that God cant reach in and pull you out of billy lad :)
 
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Sully said:
He's just questioning your beliefs Dcon....that's his mission from God...:confused:
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I hear ya.......he cannot even figure out if he is saved or not and he knows me, judges my motives and is positive that I never repent..........hilarious!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Maybe yo don't red every post....I actually boasted in the Royal Marines and SAS.....that's ok.........it has nothing to do with boasting about what Christ has done and continues to do....
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boasting is boasting ,,, is it one rule for you and one for another ?
 
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