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amen fran ammmeeeennnn.
can you imagine pauls reaction to the suggestion that He is somehow before Jesus in authority? its amazing there your comment Holds the truth, if we wish to truly understand Paul we have to first believe Jesus because everything paul said is a reflection of what Jesus said first.
1 corinthians 1:12-14 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
it seems paul was quite upset at the Notion to thank God that He didnt baptize them is a very strong statement, so no one could say or mistake that paul was anything, But that Jesus was Lord
can you imagine pauls reaction to the suggestion that He is somehow before Jesus in authority? its amazing there your comment Holds the truth, if we wish to truly understand Paul we have to first believe Jesus because everything paul said is a reflection of what Jesus said first.
1 corinthians 1:12-14 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
it seems paul was quite upset at the Notion to thank God that He didnt baptize them is a very strong statement, so no one could say or mistake that paul was anything, But that Jesus was Lord
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Ariel.
This is tooooo good:
Let's look at those verses again...:
Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Once again, JESUS is talking about DOING the will of the Father in heaven -- which Jesus taught what it is (try Mathew 5-7)
AND JESUS is once again talking about how we ACT and BEHAVE. "Depart from Me ye that work INIQUITY".
Try again...
Ariel.
This is tooooo good:
Let's look at those verses again...:
Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Once again, JESUS is talking about DOING the will of the Father in heaven -- which Jesus taught what it is (try Mathew 5-7)
AND JESUS is once again talking about how we ACT and BEHAVE. "Depart from Me ye that work INIQUITY".
Try again...
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You asked for verses that Dcon is speaking about. Just cuz you want to change topics doesn't discount the point being made.
Doing the will of God is MORE than doing outward works, but you seem to miss that point.
People can do outward good works and miracles and still be called by JESUS workers of iniquity.
THOSE WHO SEEK TO GAIN SALVATION BY WORKS AND NOT BY FAITH IN JESUS, will be told they are workers of iniquity. They trust in their own works and not in Jesus finished work. They don't understand true grace given to sinners, but believe they can "earn" or "buy" their way into heaven.
Doing the will of God is MORE than doing outward works, but you seem to miss that point.
People can do outward good works and miracles and still be called by JESUS workers of iniquity.
THOSE WHO SEEK TO GAIN SALVATION BY WORKS AND NOT BY FAITH IN JESUS, will be told they are workers of iniquity. They trust in their own works and not in Jesus finished work. They don't understand true grace given to sinners, but believe they can "earn" or "buy" their way into heaven.
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I think Jesus was encouraged and refreshed by Mary Magdalene on His journey to the cross, if not inspired by, and mentioned that what she did would be spoken of with the message of Salvation: Because she was forgiven much she loved much. We are poor in Spirit when we are self sufficient, some just don't know, Revelation 3:15
Gosh. Seems like I know very little.
Even though I've been studying Christianity over 40 years.
So, according to you WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL?
We get saved and then DO NOTHING for the rest of our lives because WORKS is a dirty word?
Once again.... Please show me where Jesus said anything even resembling this...
First, check out what He told the Apostles in Mathew 28:19 ---
Even though I've been studying Christianity over 40 years.
So, according to you WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL?
We get saved and then DO NOTHING for the rest of our lives because WORKS is a dirty word?
Once again.... Please show me where Jesus said anything even resembling this...
First, check out what He told the Apostles in Mathew 28:19 ---
upon Jesus the Living Son of God and His words because thats what He said. very clearly there the foundation os to Hear and do the things He teaches again
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
to say Jesus is the foundation is 100 percent correct, to then assume that what He said has nothing to do with it is 100 percent incorrect. what you quoted there begins with " Not everyone who says to me Lord lord, will enter into the Kingdom but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven.
casting out demons or prophesying in His name those types of things wont save us, His teachings are about truly Loving others the deeds of Love. that is seen in matthew 25: 31-46 among many many other places. it wasnt the Ones calling Jesus Lord who are saved many of them are thrown into eternal fire. the difference is what those calling Him Lord, did Knowing He is Lord. they did the deeds of Love Like the good samaritan.
saved by faith is a true statement, but what Kind of faith saves? if not the faith that works accompany. is the discussion here why we do the works? or what our motivation is? or can we have faith without doing the works? its a catch 22 one says i have faith but if they have no works is that faith according to the Bible? one can work and Not believe in Jesus and neither will that save. if we believe, we will do they are not seperable. faith comes first, but works follow or it isnt faith is the thing. obedience shouldnt be considered a work in the first place if one is born again.
my faith is squarely in Jesus, thats why im always telling folks go Learn what Jesus the Lord said of this or that. and when they will do that, they will see that Jesus is all about obeying his Gospel ministry. and they will also see what becomes of those who say "Lord lord" yet do not Live as if they Have a Lord. faith in Jesus results in amazing changes in a person and good works are no longer something that offends, its something were zealous to do titus 2:11-15. so anyone actually grasping the grace of God will be zealous for those good works thats the process of salvation and why the word doesnt say Grace grace alone but there are all those what to do, and what this and that actually means stuff in the word. all of it goes together so we cant misunderstand
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
to say Jesus is the foundation is 100 percent correct, to then assume that what He said has nothing to do with it is 100 percent incorrect. what you quoted there begins with " Not everyone who says to me Lord lord, will enter into the Kingdom but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven.
casting out demons or prophesying in His name those types of things wont save us, His teachings are about truly Loving others the deeds of Love. that is seen in matthew 25: 31-46 among many many other places. it wasnt the Ones calling Jesus Lord who are saved many of them are thrown into eternal fire. the difference is what those calling Him Lord, did Knowing He is Lord. they did the deeds of Love Like the good samaritan.
saved by faith is a true statement, but what Kind of faith saves? if not the faith that works accompany. is the discussion here why we do the works? or what our motivation is? or can we have faith without doing the works? its a catch 22 one says i have faith but if they have no works is that faith according to the Bible? one can work and Not believe in Jesus and neither will that save. if we believe, we will do they are not seperable. faith comes first, but works follow or it isnt faith is the thing. obedience shouldnt be considered a work in the first place if one is born again.
my faith is squarely in Jesus, thats why im always telling folks go Learn what Jesus the Lord said of this or that. and when they will do that, they will see that Jesus is all about obeying his Gospel ministry. and they will also see what becomes of those who say "Lord lord" yet do not Live as if they Have a Lord. faith in Jesus results in amazing changes in a person and good works are no longer something that offends, its something were zealous to do titus 2:11-15. so anyone actually grasping the grace of God will be zealous for those good works thats the process of salvation and why the word doesnt say Grace grace alone but there are all those what to do, and what this and that actually means stuff in the word. all of it goes together so we cant misunderstand
Great post.
So much common sense.
I do wonder why others cannot see this fallacy of theirs...
Putting Paul on the same plane as Jesus.
Isn't this like idol worship or something??
Just a thought...
We do seem to worship Paul in some way or other I can't quite explain.
Not that I don't respect him and what he did for the church...
But I do believe we're to do what Jesus instructed...
So much common sense.
I do wonder why others cannot see this fallacy of theirs...
Putting Paul on the same plane as Jesus.
Isn't this like idol worship or something??
Just a thought...
We do seem to worship Paul in some way or other I can't quite explain.
Not that I don't respect him and what he did for the church...
But I do believe we're to do what Jesus instructed...
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Now you are being dishonest.
I have clearly stated what the Gospel is and never said "doing nothing" is part of it.
.just a straw man you like to torch.
Physical age means nothing if you haven't been born again by the Holy spirit.
What does the Holy spirit tell you?
Are you saved by works or by faith and NOT BY WORKS?
I have clearly stated what the Gospel is and never said "doing nothing" is part of it.
.just a straw man you like to torch.
Physical age means nothing if you haven't been born again by the Holy spirit.
What does the Holy spirit tell you?
Are you saved by works or by faith and NOT BY WORKS?