Not By Works

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AllenW

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God promised not to destroy the world again by water, and the rainbow was connected to that promise. The world will be destroyed by fire next time. His love is found in Jesus :)
Beware the Ides of March.....
 
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willybob

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You know the parable of the kings wedding supper is similar to the story of the little red hen..When it came to doing the work that was necessary to reap the benefit of the bread of the kingdom they all had others works to attend to.....you see, as I have said many times, we are all doing works 24/7, either the works of God or the works of self.....so dont be sacred of the word works....be blessed
 
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Who do you think inspired Paul and taught Paul by direct revelation....Johnny Carson?
Johnny Carson?
Who that?
Boy you're old....

I'll tell you this...
JESUS DIDN'T NEED ANYBODY INSPIRING HIM AND TEACHING HIM.

Learn what JESUS said.
 
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Jesus said "be not afraid", so you're trying to scare people? Does this fall into the credit column of your "works"?
Here's the thing sully,

When someone goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to believe incorrect doctrine,
there must be a reason.

It seems to me that the reason might be that they're afraid of the truth.

The truth sets us free. But from what? or TO what?

The truth sets us free to NOT SIN.
Those here seem like they just want to do what they want to do and then think they are still saved.
But this is not actually said.
It is implied.
Anyone reading will now this.

So are you an accountant?
 
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Johnny Carson?
Who that?
Boy you're old....

I'll tell you this...
JESUS DIDN'T NEED ANYBODY INSPIRING HIM AND TEACHING HIM.

Learn what JESUS said.
Really.....you should study more Francy.....Jesus was clear...what he said<----he had HEARD from HIS FATHER.....man, every time you speak I can think of verses that contradict what you say.......

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
 
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And you wonder why most disregard what you say....look at your post.....and open your eyes Fran to your own hypocrisy.....

Jesus was mad at the Pharisees because of their Legalistic approach to the word of GOD and I have never directly said that one was going to hell....ONLY THAT those who BOAST of KNOWING JESUS and PUSHING WORKS as their means of ENTRY will be found in the PLENTEOUS IN NUMBER that gets CAST...JESUS is the one that said it, take it up with HIM...
PLEASE
PLEASE
PRETTY PLEASE

POST SOME VERSE where JESUS said the above...
PLEASE.
 
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Ariel82

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Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Jesus was mad at the Pharisees because of their Legalistic approach to the word of GOD and I have never directly said that one was going to hell....ONLY THAT those who BOAST of KNOWING JESUS and PUSHING WORKS as their means of ENTRY will be found in the PLENTEOUS IN NUMBER that gets CAST...JESUS is the one that said it, take it up with HIM.
Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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The reason is enlarged.....not to obtain or keep salvation....verse 5 tells us exactly how one is saved.....maybe quote it as well....!
or maybe believe this as well regarding salvation and what we actually do

romans 2:4-11 "Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.


its important to understand dc, I actually respect you alot, Knowing that you served as a Marine to protect the values and freedoms i enjoy as an american that is a very honorable thing. though you and I disagree alot regarding scripture, all im really saying to you is why not believe what is plainly there? if you will let this in, with all you already accept it wont condemn you in any way, you will not lose that sense of security and it will not in any way cause you to think your saving yourself or what you do is the source of salvation. what it will do is clear the way for Gods Word to have tangible power inside of you, produce the Godly fear and cause you to gladly work righteousness and that is where rest is truly found, and peace and confidence.

when all the word is accepted it changes the believer. Im not saying now nor have i ever said anyone is Lost, anyone is left out all im saying is this is as much scripture as " saved by Grace not by works that no one can boast...new creations created for the purpose of doing the good works prepared in advance for us to do." its not about doing enough good that God will accept us, He has accepted already any Christian who believes In Jesus thats fact. what causes the word toi manifest is to accept whats there that we dont agree with though. is my point. things Like this are not a condemnation, they are the clear instruction of God almighty whom im sure you have faith in, and Love in your Heart.


so at that Point, shouldnt we accept what He says of Loving Him as well? especially when we dont meet those standards? which no one does to begin with.......we grow and move forward in Knowledge and through that our lives become sanctified and good works are no longer looked at as keeping alvation or earning anything, Gods Word is designed to spur us to action that saves. this all being aid Only you and Jesus understand your Heart and Works what you lack, what you need to do better, what you need to repent of. and Hes patient and its truly a personal thing all im saying in a bible discussion forum, is no christian shoulod throw out the clarity that causes us to advance and live worthy of His sacrifice. its a process a life Long one.
 
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Sully

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Here's the thing sully,

When someone goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to believe incorrect doctrine,
there must be a reason.

It seems to me that the reason might be that they're afraid of the truth.

The truth sets us free. But from what? or TO what?

The truth sets us free to NOT SIN.
Those here seem like they just want to do what they want to do and then think they are still saved.
But this is not actually said.
It is implied.
Anyone reading will now this.

So are you an accountant?
Not an accountant, just trying to use empathy to understand how you work those rewards and righteousness into slandering and accusing everyone you disagree with. But, you're right it's an icky feeling using that empathy sometimes...done with that.
 
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Exactly....and works do not save, keep saved, help with salvation, facilitate salvation, secure salvation, procure salvation, make one saved, lead to salvation, top off salvation, and or any other word of like caliber and order....it is faith and faith alone that saves a man eternally....ONCE for ALL.........any questions?
Yes. I do have a question.
How come Jesus never said this?
How come Jesus spoke about doing good deeds?
Just read John 15:1-6
What's that all about?

What about John 5:28-29
What's that all about?

IT'S JESUS SPEAKING.
 
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That is God's work in us to produce good fruit. Our work is outwardly show His love and wisdom and light to the world.
HOW do you show that love and wisdom and light to the world?
 
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Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


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There are no verses that teach that works keep us saved....end of story....it is FAITH that saves....what part of NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE.....do you not understand.....it seems ALL of it....
Which part of...

PLEASE LIST SOME VERSES where JESUS says that works are NOT NECESSARY and that all we are to do is believe in Him.

Can't be done !!
Because Jesus NEVER SAID THIS.

Post one, if you can find it.

Otherwise, you should get off the soapbox.