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the book of enoch And the Lord said unto Michael: ‘Go, bind Semjaza and his associates .. did micheal win ? is he still here in the background ?
 
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God?

ps. The bible calls the soul or consciousness the heart. That is what I thought you were talking about, forgive me if not.


Where the heart is, that is where the mind will go.
impossible the heart can not compute trillions of commands at once..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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the heart needs energy to survive ,, tell me if the brain damaged kid does not feed herself what happens to the heart

I Am not talking about the human heart that is a muscle in your chest which pumps blood, I am talking about the human heart (Kardia) that the Bible talks about, or the inner being,

prov 23:7 - For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. “Eat and drink!” he says to you, But his heart is not with you.

James 1: 26 -
If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.

these are not talking about the heart which pumps blood,
 
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I Am not talking about the human heart that is a muscle in your chest which pumps blood, I am talking about the human heart (Kardia) that the Bible talks about, or the inner being,

prov 23:7 - For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. “Eat and drink!” he says to you, But his heart is not with you.

James 1: 26 -
If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.

these are not talking about the heart which pumps blood,
The heart does not contain brain cells. It contains neurons that comprise its own intrinsic system for regulating cardiac function. Further, neurons alone do not equal mind or consciousness. It takes the specialized organization of neurons in the brain to produce cognitive processes that we experience as the mind.
 

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its independant coz it can exist in a single cell life or energy that is. entities also have energy.. thats why sometimes the tv goes funny or your radio or mobile phone suddenly goes funny..
is not a tv, radio or phone the sum of whole parts?
Neither component within them are autonomous or independent of each other.
They all depend on each other.
However they are not logical free thinking parts and therefore cannot exsist without each other.

To me we have the conscious, this is what we know.
The sub conscious is what we don't know but is what the conscious has buried deep down in our soul.
They are not independent of each other. The conscious dictates the sub conscious.

The conscious will bury the hurts, pains, negatives so will not recall it. A self defence mechanism.
Its the brain that does this.


I can turn the TV off and then turn it on.
If it does not turn on then a component has malfunctioned.
It will not work.

However I go to sleep I wake up and I will still live, my conscious works even though I still have a sub conscious.
 
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The heart does not contain brain cells. It contains neurons that comprise its own intrinsic system for regulating cardiac function. Further, neurons alone do not equal mind or consciousness. It takes the specialized organization of neurons in the brain to produce cognitive processes that we experience as the mind.

Jim are you ok? I said I was not talking about the human heart which pumps blood a few tims now,

why do you insist on talking to me like I am talking about the human physical heart which pumps blood?
 
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is not a tv, radio or phone the sum of whole parts?
Neither component within them are autonomous or independent of each other.
They all depend on each other.
However they are not logical free thinking parts and therefore cannot exsist without each other.

To me we have the conscious, this is what we know.
The sub conscious is what we don't know but is what the conscious has buried deep down in our soul.
They are not independent of each other. The conscious dictates the sub conscious.

The conscious will bury the hurts, pains, negatives so will not recall it. A self defence mechanism.
Its the brain that does this.


I can turn the TV off and then turn it on.
If it does not turn on then a component has malfunctioned.
It will not work.

However I go to sleep I wake up and I will still live, my conscious works even though I still have a sub conscious.
and that wins a rep comment :) verry well put how ever how do you know its not the sub conscious that dictates the concious
 
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The heart controls the mind. you have this backwards,


uh

the heart is an organ pumping blood through your body

the heart is used FIGURATIVELY in scripture

the Bible says to renew our minds...not our hearts

just sain'

I saw what you wrote to Jim, so I understand what you are saying, but as a man thinketh so is he...not the heart
 
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Jim are you ok? I said I was not talking about the human heart which pumps blood a few tims now,

why do you insist on talking to me like I am talking about the human physical heart which pumps blood?
im not talking to you in the way you think i am... i am talking about having life breathed into you at birth
 
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uh

the heart is an organ pumping blood through your body

the heart is used FIGURATIVELY in scripture

the Bible says to renew our minds...not our hearts

just sain'

I saw what you wrote to Jim, so I understand what you are saying, but as a man thinketh so is he...not the heart

As you know The Spirit controls both body, soul and mind....the soul is your mind , will, emotions, your flesh is your body...you Spirit is the real you....
 
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uh

the heart is an organ pumping blood through your body

the heart is used FIGURATIVELY in scripture

the Bible says to renew our minds...not our hearts

just sain'

For out out of the heart the mouth speaks Matt 12

but the things which come out of the mouth comes from th heart Matt 15: 18

out of the heart comes evil things... Matt 15: 19

A good man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth good, Luke 6


this is the heart I am talking about,


 
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sevenseas

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As you know The Spirit controls both body, soul and mind....the soul is your mind , will, emotions, your flesh is your body...you Spirit is the real you....

yeah...the spirit is supposed to be in charge

what happens when fallen mankind uses it? or for that matter soulish Christians? or is that an oxy moron?

questions questions

maybe a paradox?
 
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For out out of the heart the mouth speaks Matt 12

but the things which come out of the mouth comes from th heart Matt 15: 18

out of the heart comes evil things... Matt 15: 19

A good man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth good, Luke 6


this is the heart I am talking about,


god made nebaknezza a dog for 7 years your spirit can exist in any vessel..
 
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sevenseas

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For out out of the heart the mouth speaks Matt 12

but the things which come out of the mouth comes from th heart Matt 15: 18

out of the heart comes evil things... Matt 15: 19

A good man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth good, Luke 6


this is the heart I am talking about,



well join the club

that's the one we are all talking about and while I may have physically joined the conversation late, I have definitely been here in spirit as a lurker :rolleyes:

jokes aside, the heart is used figuratively.

“And Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, Why are you thinking evil things in your hearts?” Matt. 9:4

there are other scriptures indicating conscience, purpose etc

the word 'heart' is used for all of them. even so, you cannot purpose to do something without the use of your mind

your conscience is not a physical, tangible thing

your will is determination

none of these things indicates a mystical heart