You Say You Believe Paul

[JaumeJ]

Many here have great debatges utilizing, improperly, the Epistles. They say they believe Jesus but always quote Paul, wrongly I might add.

Paul did not die on the cross for your sins.......source here........Paul.

There is only ONE GTospel, that of Jesus Christ.......one source............Paul.

We do not belong to Paul, we belong to Jesus christ.........source............Paul.

When anyone here quotes Paul to sjupport any argument that contradicts the Teachings of Jesus Christ, he is opposing Jesus Christ, and not supporting Paul, but he is misunderstanding Paul.
Do not teach those who are in Jesus Chirsit to go to Pual first on any issue..........Paul b infererence.

When anyone quotes sPaul to satisfy their argument against th3e teachings of the Father, that person is not in Christ.

Be in Chrsit, learn from Him.......He has invited us all to learn directly from Him, from god.

If you choose to only abide in the flesh, you will.

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus said "I have many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now. But the Holy Spirit when He comes - He will teach you all things and reveal the things of Me and show them unto you."

Meaning - Jesus had many other things to tell us but the disciples couldn't understand them yet - Jesus has used Paul to show what these things are by the Holy Spirit. You do not get these in the 4 gospels. The words spoken to Paul are from Jesus' words and are just as valid.

Ephesians 3:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you;

[SUP]3 [/SUP] that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;

The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.
The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul.

The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in union with Him as one spirit!

These "explanations" of the mystery of the gospel that Christ is in us - cannot be found openly in the 4 gospels themselves. We need to marry the things Paul said with the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels.

It is in Paul's explanation of the gospel that Christ is in us - the hope of glory where we find the nutrients to walk by the spirit.

 

[lastofall]

When "they" whosoever they are refer to the Epistles of Paul and the things He wrote, they refer exactly and only and exclusively to the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul: the things which are spoken are not Paul's view, or mankind's wisdom (which by the way is foolishness with God); but again they are the Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul or Peter or James, or Luke, and so on. It is also written spoken by the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul telling us that "the person who despises, despises not man but God.

 

[JaumeJ]

My reference, if you have not read my post, is Paul.

When "they" whosoever they are refer to the Epistles of Paul and the things He wrote, they refer exactly and only and exclusively to the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul: the things which are spoken are not Paul's view, or mankind's wisdom (which by the way is foolishness with God); but again they are the Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul or Peter or James, or Luke, and so on. It is also written spoken by the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul telling us that "the person who despises, despises not man but God.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are truly hung up n yourmisunderstanding of what Jesus was teaching.

There are twelve foundations of the Holy City coming down from God, and they are each name for one of the Twelve. Paul, though a learned man, is not numbered among the Twelve.

Now do you believe for a milisecond that Jesus christ did not impart all necessary to the Twelve by His Holy Spirit? And do you think Jesus Christ does not teach all who really believe Him all truth necessary fr salvation?

The Akpostles were fille with the Holy Spirit on pentecost, and nothing was lacking in their understanding after this. Jesus psromised before He ascended they all would receive.

Do you ever learn anything from Jesus, Himself? YOu are invited to do so. Now, like the misquote of so many about coming to Jesus for rest in His teaching, you are distorting all about His promise to send the Holy Spirit.

When you read the Word, pray the Hoy Spirit teach you, otherwise you are surrounded by death, for teh written code kills, it is the Holy Spirit Wh gives life.

Jesus said "I have many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now. But the Holy Spirit when He comes - He will teach you all things and reveal the things of Me and show them unto you."

Meaning - Jesus had many other things to tell us but the disciples couldn't understand them yet - Jesus has used Paul to show what these things are by the Holy Spirit. You do not get these in the 4 gospels. The words spoken to Paul are from Jesus' words and are just as valid.

Ephesians 3:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you;

[SUP]3 [/SUP] that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;

The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.
The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul.

The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in union with Him as one spirit!

These "explanations" of the mystery of the gospel that Christ is in us - cannot be found openly in the 4 gospels themselves. We need to marry the things Paul said with the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels.

It is in Paul's explanation of the gospel that Christ is in us - the hope of glory where we find the nutrients to walk by the spirit.

 

[gb9]

and here we have another ridiculous Paul vs. Jesus thread.

Jamie, you do understand that Paul was Jesus's hand picked guy to carry the Gospel to the gentiles, who were not under that Law, most had never read the Torah. so, the notion that Paul " disagreed " with the Lord.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

It is God who speaks through His children,....... through His Holy Spirit.
Brother Paul included.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Acts 7:48-51
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50Hath not my hand made all these things?
51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[JaumeJ]

And here we have another person who had not read my op.

There is nothing saying Paul is versing Jesus, to the contrary.

Why don't you read what I have posted before giving your erroneous assessments?

and here we have another ridiculous Paul vs. Jesus thread.

Jamie, you do understand that Paul was Jesus's hand picked guy to carry the Gospel to the gentiles, who were not under that Law, most had never read the Torah. so, the notion that Paul " disagreed " with the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Are you responding to my OP? If so you have not understood it. I support Paul. It is the responders who seem to be bound and determined that I am opposing Paul. Au contraire mes aimis!

It is God who speaks through His children,....... through His Holy Spirit.
Brother Paul included.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Acts 7:48-51
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50Hath not my hand made all these things?
51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[brighthouse98]

2 Peter 1:21 if you take away Paul who wrote 3 quarters of the New Testament you might as well take out Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john to. LOL The Bible is either all correct or all wrong. So I am not sure what you are talking about?? If you say some people twist scriptures, then you sure are right about that!! No argument there! Personally I just believe that the Word says what it means and means what it says myself.

 

[JaumeJ]

At least three persons responding, feining to respond that is, to my OP are so determined to say I am opposing Paul they are posting without haring what I have said.

My post is sourced mainly from Paul's teachingss. Do you people understand Paul at all? Jesus? Me? Anyone?

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Are you responding to my OP? If so you have not understood it. I support Paul. It is the responders who seem to be bound and determined that I am opposing Paul. Au contraire mes aimis!

Acts 13:10
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

 

[gb9]

And here we have another person who had not read my op.

There is nothing saying Paul is versing Jesus, to the contrary.

Why don't you read what I have posted before giving your erroneous assessments?

I re-read your o.p. I stand by my earlier post. knowing that you are Hebrew roots, I am sure you have a Jesus-taught-the law intent somewhere in here...

 

[trofimus]

Jesus did not write anything.

Whole New Testament is written by apostles.

Why do you trust Matthew or John more than Paul?

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Also, you misunderstood inspiration. You would have to dismiss whole Old Testament, because its all teaching of people, of Moses and of prophets.

 

[JaumeJ]

My Salvation is the Blood of Jesus Christ, I believe Him.

Why do you use such unrelated tests to support what you cannot support. My source Authority will always be the
Only Son of God, Jeus Christ. May His Blood be twtween you and me,, amen. Now go away with your nonsense.

I re-read your o.p. I stand by my earlier post. knowing that you are Hebrew roots, I am sure you have a Jesus-taught-the law intent somewhere in here...

 

[JaumeJ]

Well I refer to your posts which I have read. You may refer to my OP all you say you do, but it would help if you would alo read it.

I re-read your o.p. I stand by my earlier post. knowing that you are Hebrew roots, I am sure you have a Jesus-taught-the law intent somewhere in here...

 

[JaumeJ]

Hail, hail the gan is all here...

Acts 13:10
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

 

[loveme1]

My Salvation is the Blood of Jesus Christ, I believe Him.

Why do you use such unrelated tests to support what you cannot support. My source Authority will always be the
Only Son of God, Jeus Christ. May His Blood be twtween you and me,, amen. Now go away with your nonsense.

Your Hebrew root is the Messiah.. a grafted branch through belief as is mine. We are not ashamed to proclaim this.

You are not guilty of trying to revive the dead husband but it is easier to dismiss you by labelling you as such.


Thanks be to Our Heavenly Father and Our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Snoozy]

u are misunderstanding brother JaumeJ on purpose. he isnt saying throw out paul's letters. he is saying that Paul followed Jesus and that paul would never contradict Jesus. and if there appears to be a contradiction go with Jesus words.
he is also saying that there is only one gospel

 

[JaumeJ]

Actually, like all who share the faith of Abraham, I do have the Hebrews always in mind when I read tehWord. You see Jesus is of one of the Twelve tribes of Israel, all Hebrews of course.

According to the Epistles we have become joint heirs wiwth the Hebrews of our Father Who has adopted us all along with His original children.

I am of the faith of Abraham. This is what Jesus Christ teaches......have you read teh Word? If yes, then you know.

As for your blind accusation, if I understand correctly, you believe I am of the formalized movement of Hebrew Roots. I am not.

I cannot in honesty of Jesus christ become a member of any of the denominations of Judaism or Christianity since Jesus Christ would never be a member of any.

I am a member of theBody of Jesus christ along will who believe Him

Never fault anyone or make veiled accusations just becaus he or she believes Jesus Christ ahd recognizeds our Hebrw forefathers.

Perhaps you do not believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (called Isrel) are your forfathers, If this is the case, you are not ofJesus Christ, for He is.

I re-read your o.p. I stand by my earlier post. knowing that you are Hebrew roots, I am sure you have a Jesus-taught-the law intent somewhere in here...