NOAH and the TOWER

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Denadii said:
Ok You quoted Hebrews 11 Read verse 5 then tell me Enoch died.
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again you need to read what was posted already back in post 31 somewhere evplained.


There is more than one death mentioned in the Bible.
There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6).

The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot
be humanly evaded. It is inevitable, and that death Enoch died.

But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see"
is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event.

It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death - but that he
"should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being
translated is one that he can escape in the future on certain conditions!

In John 8:51 Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my
saying, he shall never see death" - shall never see - that is, suffer - the
second death! And again in John 11:26, "Whosoever liveth and believeth
in me shall never die" - or "shall not die forever."


And Enoch will be in the first resurrection because he met the conditions!
The second death shall never touch Enoch,because of his faith and obedience.


Colossians 1:13: the Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath [translated us] into the kingdom of his dear Son." Here the Bible
says that Christians are already translated - but Christians still die!


they are not in heaven now
 
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Denadii

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prove-all said:
again you need to read what was posted already back in post 31 somewhere evplained.


There is more than one death mentioned in the Bible.
There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6).

The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot
be humanly evaded. It is inevitable, and that death Enoch died.

But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see"
is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event.

It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death - but that he
"should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being
translated is one that he can escape in the future on certain conditions!

In John 8:51 Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my
saying, he shall never see death" - shall never see - that is, suffer - the
second death! And again in John 11:26, "Whosoever liveth and believeth
in me shall never die" - or "shall not die forever."


And Enoch will be in the first resurrection because he met the conditions!
The second death shall never touch Enoch,because of his faith and obedience.


Colossians 1:13: the Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath [translated us] into the kingdom of his dear Son." Here the Bible
says that Christians are already translated - but Christians still die!


they are not in heaven now
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WoW! The first death is physical...The second death is hell....Enoch did not die any death...He did not die because God translated him to heaven. He did not die the second death because he IS in heaven. Get it right son. You can't go preaching such inaccuracies.
 
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Denadii said:
. He did not die the second death because he IS in heaven.
Get it right son. You can't go preaching such inaccuracies.
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Jesus Himself said: "No man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man"


mabe you think Christ got it wrong
 
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prove-all

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no one has been to the second death yet, this is after 1000 year reigh of Christ

  • Revelation 20:6 (KJV)

    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
    on such the second death hath no power,

    but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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  • Revelation 20:14 (KJV)

    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  • Revelation 2:11

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
  • He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
  • Revelation 21:8 (KJV)

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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Zmouth

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FlSnookman7 said:
The most incredible part about Noah having such great faith is that before the flood it had NEVER even rained on earth....
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Nah, that is just more ignorance than faith.
 
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