The Lord's Prayer
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I pray the Lord's Prayer. And these are my thoughts on why. And I'll bet the ranch not everybody will see it all the same way I do.
Our Father - He IS our Father! WE are His Children! How Exciting!
who is in Heaven - this is the abode of the Father.
hallowed be Your Name - His Name is to recognized as Holy and perfect.
Your Kingdom come - His Kingdom has indeed come in the form of Jesus Christ and is in us if we have accepted Him, but I also believe He will sit on His Throne on Earth, David's throne, yet to come. And THAT is what a Child of God Asks for in this prayer.
Your Will be done on Earth as it is in heaven - Even born again believers can't believe that His Will is Currently being done by THEM ALWAYS! Much less the rest of Earth. Another prayer of anticipation.
Give us this day our daily Bread - Several meanings here. We are asking that our physical needs are met, but we also ask that we DAILY keep in fellowship with the Jesus, the Bread of Life, through His Word.
and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors - This seems pretty self explanatory to me, and will eventually be a natural progression of the born again child, as the Holy Spirit transforms you.
and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil - We are GOING to be tempted. This is asking the Lord to give us the power, (which He has) to resist that temptation.
I think much of this prayer illustrates our position in Christ, and affirms that position.
Have a blessed day!
Our Father - He IS our Father! WE are His Children! How Exciting!
who is in Heaven - this is the abode of the Father.
hallowed be Your Name - His Name is to recognized as Holy and perfect.
Your Kingdom come - His Kingdom has indeed come in the form of Jesus Christ and is in us if we have accepted Him, but I also believe He will sit on His Throne on Earth, David's throne, yet to come. And THAT is what a Child of God Asks for in this prayer.
Your Will be done on Earth as it is in heaven - Even born again believers can't believe that His Will is Currently being done by THEM ALWAYS! Much less the rest of Earth. Another prayer of anticipation.
Give us this day our daily Bread - Several meanings here. We are asking that our physical needs are met, but we also ask that we DAILY keep in fellowship with the Jesus, the Bread of Life, through His Word.
and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors - This seems pretty self explanatory to me, and will eventually be a natural progression of the born again child, as the Holy Spirit transforms you.
and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil - We are GOING to be tempted. This is asking the Lord to give us the power, (which He has) to resist that temptation.
I think much of this prayer illustrates our position in Christ, and affirms that position.
Have a blessed day!
You OBVIOUSLY never went to Catholic school. Every Friday we went down and said something like This to the priest:
"Bless me father for I have sinned, it has been a week since my last confession." Priest- " what sins have you committed?" me- " er... Ummm... I hit my brother, I cursed 6 times, I looked on someone's test sheet...." etc... Priest - for your pennance say 6 Hail Marys, and 7 Our Fathers"
Didn't get much out of the Lord's prayer then! Lol
"Bless me father for I have sinned, it has been a week since my last confession." Priest- " what sins have you committed?" me- " er... Ummm... I hit my brother, I cursed 6 times, I looked on someone's test sheet...." etc... Priest - for your pennance say 6 Hail Marys, and 7 Our Fathers"
Didn't get much out of the Lord's prayer then! Lol
My last confession was over 15 years ago and before that it was over 20 years since I last went. I gave a synapsis of my sins and was let off easy with only a single 'Our Father' for my penance. I then asked the priest what was the purpose of receiving Holy Communion each week if your heart is already filled with the Holy Spirit. He said "Ah, my son, that's a mystery". Apparently, he wasn't sure either.
I have nothing against the Lord's prayer. I do not pray it on a regular basis, to me the Kingdom has already come on pentecost with power and glory.
Thank you for sharing this with us my dear brother Bruce in Christ Jesus.
I see the religionists have already smelled the freedom in Christ and are on the loose.
Thank you for sharing this with us my dear brother Bruce in Christ Jesus.
I see the religionists have already smelled the freedom in Christ and are on the loose.
You are most welcome.
It is good to be able to have "healthy" discussions on subjects.
I understand what you are saying and I believe there are many "onion skins" to truth.
The good thing is that for those that have a different view on how they use or say the prayer - have the freedom in Christ to do so as they see fit as we all are learning how to live by the life of Another in us - Christ our Lord.
Ga. 2:20 & Col. 3:3
Been there done that too Brother Penn. After getting saved., the "Hail Mary" was totally discarded although I can say it from memory as it's embedded in my brain. I've always loved the "Lord's Prayer" or "Disciple's Prayer" and for years after being saved prayed using it much like you posted here.
And it was very helpful to bring me to more places in prayer and how to pray today. We learn to keep the right things and discard the wrong things so; Hail Mary out.., Lord's Prayer in. I don't pray the Act of contrition anymore and discarded it along with the hail Mary prayer. But can say to till this day too.
Our Baptist church taught that we can use the Lord's Prayer as a model and I agree and have done so for many years. Today I'm so familiar with going to Jesus I don't need the model prayer like I did before but I still love it and use it and have it hung on my wall. I would no more discard it than I would Psalms 23. And anyone who really is reading this thread for what is really being said will agree Bruce is in no way advocating we discard this prayer. But we see it in light of the cross.
I used to see Psalm 23 as a prayer for the dead at funerals. But have totally since changed my mind on that and see it in light of the cross. It's for US LIVING people!!! It's especially helpful in the Amplified Bible. Also, speaking of reading the verses and understanding them differently as we grow., I came to see that when Jesus prepares a table for me in the presence of my enemies., that is NOT in heaven but it's HERE. There will be NO enemies in heaven. I've lived that truth out here today because Jesus has prepared a table for me many times in the presence of my enemies. He has rescued me and done it in front of them. And I didn't have to say a thing.
There are so many things the Bible is not saying particularly "to" us Christians today but they are words "for" us to learn about and learn from. Some words were specifically given to the legalistic Jews in Hebrews and we need to see the verses properly in their context. When a believer today takes a verse meant for the legalistic Jews who were having a hard time transitioning from the law to the Gospel of grace and truth IN Christ., they will be totally confused and we can see it here on these threads people applying verses not meant for the believer under this covenant of grace and instead they are putting themselves under the law again.
The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, to guide and to shield me],
I shall not want.
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He lets me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still and quiet waters.
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3 [/SUP]
He refreshes and restores my soul (life);
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
for His name’s sake.
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Even though I walk through the [sunless] [SUP][a][/SUP]valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort and console me.
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5 [/SUP]
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You have anointed and refreshed my head with [SUP][b][/SUP]oil;
My cup overflows.
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6 [/SUP]
Surely goodness and mercy and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life,
And I shall dwell forever [throughout all my days] in the house and in the presence of the Lord.
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why are you in a bible discussion forum if you dont want to Hear whats written in the Bible and discuss it? there is a reason we are warned and warned and warned about remaining in sound doctrine and guarding against false doctrine. it is the reason death exists. what God has said is now, was then and will always Be Life, what satan says, is now, was then and will always be death. what Jesus Christ said from matthew 1:1- the last verses in John is the Word of God, from the One God sent to speak it. satan will always attempt to gwt you and anyone else away from His words, God will always remind you to abide in His Word. it is insignificant what we think or pretend to have freedom from Gods Word. believer, non believer doesnt matter all will answer to God according to what He has said.
satan isnt going to say " ignore God follow me" Hes going to say " Did God really say that you must not eat that fruit?" nah, dont Believe Him, listen to my explanaitions of why you need to not listen to God" He will sound friendly, on your side, hell make a good argument for His case........He will never agree with Jesus thats what He will not ever do, there is Lie, and there is truth. there is Life and death, salvation and Hell. Doctrine is that Jesus Christ is the Only way that God will ever accept, So if Jesus the Lord is explaining My teachings my words keep them cling to them follow them. thats not negotiable God doesnt care if people dont WANT to Hear His Word or get upset because people care about keeping correct doctrine. its Our choice to either Hear God and follow or Hear God and despise. God is Great because He gave us the choice to Live or die He Gave us the Power to become Children of His own and live forever, and also gave us the freedom of choice to ignore that power and follow our ways these fading Years to the Place He has warned is coming.
Maybe if people dont want to Hear, they should check out different forums, theres a bunch here. in a bible discussion forum, the topic is always going to be the Bible and whats written in it
satan isnt going to say " ignore God follow me" Hes going to say " Did God really say that you must not eat that fruit?" nah, dont Believe Him, listen to my explanaitions of why you need to not listen to God" He will sound friendly, on your side, hell make a good argument for His case........He will never agree with Jesus thats what He will not ever do, there is Lie, and there is truth. there is Life and death, salvation and Hell. Doctrine is that Jesus Christ is the Only way that God will ever accept, So if Jesus the Lord is explaining My teachings my words keep them cling to them follow them. thats not negotiable God doesnt care if people dont WANT to Hear His Word or get upset because people care about keeping correct doctrine. its Our choice to either Hear God and follow or Hear God and despise. God is Great because He gave us the choice to Live or die He Gave us the Power to become Children of His own and live forever, and also gave us the freedom of choice to ignore that power and follow our ways these fading Years to the Place He has warned is coming.
Maybe if people dont want to Hear, they should check out different forums, theres a bunch here. in a bible discussion forum, the topic is always going to be the Bible and whats written in it
Maybe it`s just me but this is my opinion on The Lords Prayer...I think it is so Holy, so BEA~UTI~FUL that anyone who prays it at any time uses it for their own personal reasons, i do not believe that it should be picked at, pulled apart for discussion for the filth of human hearts to stamp all over it because thats some peoples own opinions... The LORDS Prayer is SACRED and that is how it should remain, it hurts my heart to see how this can also be seperated from what it truly is, the blessed prayer of OUR SAVIOR...Forgive them Father, but DO they know what they do...
"Which sins-past or future?
AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
why is the context ALWAYS avoided?
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
hEBREWS 1:1-2 " God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds"
If a person wishes to Know the new covenant, they need to Go to the One who gave it and accept the testament of the Heir, you dont quote a line from it and claim that explains it all. Like any will and testament, as Soon as A Person dies, thier Will is the authority over the inheritance. its binding it doesnt matter if we quote a line from it claiming the rest is null and void, the Authority is the testament itself, the Word of He who died. whatever He said, is the testament
tes·ta·ment
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to disregard the testament of the testator, is to disqualify yourself from inheritance.
AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
why is the context ALWAYS avoided?
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
hEBREWS 1:1-2 " God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds"
If a person wishes to Know the new covenant, they need to Go to the One who gave it and accept the testament of the Heir, you dont quote a line from it and claim that explains it all. Like any will and testament, as Soon as A Person dies, thier Will is the authority over the inheritance. its binding it doesnt matter if we quote a line from it claiming the rest is null and void, the Authority is the testament itself, the Word of He who died. whatever He said, is the testament
tes·ta·ment
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a person's will, especially the part relating to personal property.
Jesus the Son of God is the heir, He died So His will is what makes up the entire testament.
cov·e·nant
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an agreement.
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agree, especially by lease, deed, or other legal contract.
to disregard the testament of the testator, is to disqualify yourself from inheritance.
James 2
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Did James state we can transgress one law and be guilty of all?
Let us bring to mind the Testimony of the Messiah...
Did he not warn us it would be better to cut off our right hand if it cause us to offend.. yes, because it is better that not our whole body be cast in to hell.
Royal law?
Here it is:
Matthew 22
6 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Some here refuse even the Lord's Prayer... oh you deny yourselves
good in your ignorance.
Faith?
You want a get out of jail card without lifting a finger because you believed not.
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Did James state we can transgress one law and be guilty of all?
Let us bring to mind the Testimony of the Messiah...
Did he not warn us it would be better to cut off our right hand if it cause us to offend.. yes, because it is better that not our whole body be cast in to hell.
Royal law?
Here it is:
Matthew 22
6 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Some here refuse even the Lord's Prayer... oh you deny yourselves
good in your ignorance.
Faith?
You want a get out of jail card without lifting a finger because you believed not.