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[JaumeJ]

The point is, Jesus was perfect and He knew and always did and always will how to approach the law in truth.

He was prfect for each of us, and this is way we can only imitate Him , yet rely on the free gift, because He is teh only flesh taht was ever perfect, just for you and for me.

He obeyed the Father and so wemust obey Him, for He and the Father are one.

 

[Dan_473]

His disciples did not, but He explained to the Pharisees why His disciples were blameless because He was with them.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Do note that Jesus gave 2 examples on how the saints had profaned the sabbath day but were blameless because they were in the Temple, and Jesus pointed out that One greater than the Temple was here... inferring Himself.

Since we have been saved by Jesus Christ.....our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always which is why we are blameless for not keeping the sabbath day for He is able to make us stand.

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



Which is why we are not under the law.

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Romans 10:1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Romans 3:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?[SUP] 2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[SUP] 3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: [SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham....[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So you are not required to keep the law, but to keep the faith in Jesus Christ which is the good fight. By believing in Him as our Saviour, we are saved, and by believing in Him as our Good Shepherd is how He will help us to follow Him.

You do not look to the law in doing the best you can in keeping them by the religious flesh; you look to Jesus Christ to help you to abide in Him & His words in following Him. That is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith.

We are not identified as His by keeping the works of the law. We are identified as His by our faith in Jesus Christ for help in following Him.

hi Enow,

that's a long post!

how about summarizing it or expanding on the first idea in it?

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus Christ teaches all in His Gospel, the only one, we must obey the commandments...and He teaches anyonone teaching against the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom.

Jesus teaches us how the law is to be handled in the Gospel, howeeer many prefer to be legalists declaring once save we can sit on our hands.

The good sewards make increase on what He giv es them, while the lazy good for nothing buries it in the di4rt. That gift given is faith...........make interest, ok?

Hi Jaume

I'm hoping that we can talk about something here without hurt and angry feelings. I just want to know what you think about this.

In circumcision, it's performed on the 8th Day. I've always heard that the 8th day is the day of new beginnings. Have you heard this? That seven is the day of fullness, or completion same as 10.

We are circumcised with our new birth. Would this not be the 8th day and celebration should be this day? The day of grace and mercy? Also, the Lords day..

Every day is the new day of mercy. His mercies rise for us each day, and every day is the day of salvation. So we being the very temple of the Living God now...with Jesus on His throne in the kingdom of His body...us, celebrate Him daily and worship Him...and live one day at a time...in union with Him.

This is called the new and living way.

I've heard that when the new temple is done, and Jesus comes to throne of David, then there will be Sabbath again. Perhaps it will be daily. I don't know. But, I would love to go to the temple daily or just stay there like Anna.

Just wanted to know if you have heard of these things. I am not saying you must accept them.

 

[stonesoffire]

Also, it says in scripture that the law is spiritual, but Paul said he was born in sin..

What exactly does this mean? To anyone.

 

[stonesoffire]

I can't edit but "not the born in sin part". I know that...what does the law being spiritual mean?

 

[JaumeJ]

There is s much we do not know, and knowing this is a blessing.

What you have told me here, I take as a wonderful lesson. Of course the only true circumcision is th eheart. I had never heard the teaching on th e8th day being new beginningmg, but itis the first day of th enew week, so it sounds quite resonable to me. And no matter what day, it is for a person on a calendar, it is that 8th day for that person' ehart. Thak you for the lesson.......I will keep it forever............j

Hi Jaume

I'm hoping that we can talk about something here without hurt and angry feelings. I just want to know what you think about this.

In circumcision, it's performed on the 8th Day. I've always heard that the 8th day is the day of new beginnings. Have you heard this? That seven is the day of fullness, or completion same as 10.

We are circumcised with our new birth. Would this not be the 8th day and celebration should be this day? The day of grace and mercy? Also, the Lords day..

Every day is the new day of mercy. His mercies rise for us each day, and every day is the day of salvation. So we being the very temple of the Living God now...with Jesus on His throne in the kingdom of His body...us, celebrate Him daily and worship Him...and live one day at a time...in union with Him.

This is called the new and living way.

I've heard that when the new temple is done, and Jesus comes to throne of David, then there will be Sabbath again. Perhaps it will be daily. I don't know. But, I would love to go to the temple daily or just stay there like Anna.

Just wanted to know if you have heard of these things. I am not saying you must accept them.

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus of Nazareth ... elevated the Law to its spiritual level...

so true!

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: really,

we establish the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

There are many things in the Word, probably mostt, that I just do not truly understand, but by faith I believe all because I know God is alway sgood.

The mechanism for procreation automatically makes the procreated born in sin, of fornication. It is just a matter-of-fact truth to me that I do not understand except that only here in the flesh is there such a thing as fornication.

God is spirit and would be worhipped in spirit and truth. If you examine the laws you will find that even if the sex act is a man and wman who are married, they are both considered unclean until they perform various ritualistic acts of the law....what a pain, right!?

By faith, I believe we all are here to be saved from something or another that we simply do not understand. As a child I had a few night visions which seemed quite normal to me at the time butthey stayed with me, and I believe what they a had to tell me. Noting harmful, just mesages of god's love and faith in Him.

I know by my own history that I was a sinner, but now, by the grace of God, I have mercy even when I slip up. I have bad thoughts daily, things I wouldnever act upon, nevertheless I have had them, and thisi not of God, yet He forgive me, and He loves me all the same.

Whenever I get a little shadow of a doubt because of myown stupidity, I emembere, "Believe that I am the Son of god and you will be saved." I smile with a warmth that fills me, and I know everything is going to be just fine...It is the Glory of Jesus christ to perform this for me, for you, and for all, praise Jesus Christ,a men. (Thak you for lifting me in the HOly Spirit.)

Also, it says in scripture that the law is spiritual, but Paul said he was born in sin..

What exactly does this mean? To anyone.

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus Christ teaches all in His Gospel, the only one, we must obey the commandments...and He teaches anyonone teaching against the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom.

Jesus teaches us how the law is to be handled in the Gospel, howeeer many prefer to be legalists declaring once save we can sit on our hands.

The good sewards make increase on what He giv es them, while the lazy good for nothing buries it in the di4rt. That gift given is faith...........make interest, ok?

You still don't understand the Lord or Paul.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Working at commandments in your own strength and understanding is unprofitable.

Abiding in Christ and resting in Christ is where we are blessed with the fruit of obedience. It is how we are caused to walk in His Real Statutes not in the ministry of death that legalists and hebrew wannabes try to walk in.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]

 

[oldethennew]

I can't edit but "not the born in sin part". I know that...what does the law being spiritual mean?

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EX. 20:1.
And God spoke all these words, saying,............then comes the 'speaking of the Law'.

another scripture says that 'God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him
in Spirit and in Truth.

this is the simplicity of 'The Law is Spiritual', for God is a Spirit, - it's The Spirit that gives us LIFE...

 

[stonesoffire]

There are many things in the Word, probably mostt, that I just do not truly understand, but by faith I believe all because I know God is alway sgood.

The mechanism for procreation automatically makes the procreated born in sin, of fornication. It is just a matter-of-fact truth to me that I do not understand except that only here in the flesh is there such a thing as fornication.

God is spirit and would be worhipped in spirit and truth. If you examine the laws you will find that even if the sex act is a man and wman who are married, they are both considered unclean until they perform various ritualistic acts of the law....what a pain, right!?

By faith, I believe we all are here to be saved from something or another that we simply do not understand. As a child I had a few night visions which seemed quite normal to me at the time butthey stayed with me, and I believe what they a had to tell me. Noting harmful, just mesages of god's love and faith in Him.

I know by my own history that I was a sinner, but now, by the grace of God, I have mercy even when I slip up. I have bad thoughts daily, things I wouldnever act upon, nevertheless I have had them, and thisi not of God, yet He forgive me, and He loves me all the same.

Whenever I get a little shadow of a doubt because of myown stupidity, I emembere, "Believe that I am the Son of god and you will be saved." I smile with a warmth that fills me, and I know everything is going to be just fine...It is the Glory of Jesus christ to perform this for me, for you, and for all, praise Jesus Christ,a men. (Thak you for lifting me in the HOly Spirit.)

I'm not sure if it was this thread that you wrote about some of your experiences in Holy Spirit and I thoroughly enjoyed reading them. I've had some too and am sure most everyone here has.

I have never studied the laws but was reading your post on not by works thread, and thought I should do this. I want to understand what Paul means by the law is spiritual.

The relationship though between a man and woman I think I have a bit of understanding something here. We are mixing spirit with spirit when becoming one with another. Is why Paul speaks the way he does about being joined to a prostitute, and even adultery and fornication. Well, I guess it would be fornication and adultery with a prostitute. We are joining spirit to spirit. I would think this is even more serious than the world understands.

Could one be picking up the "demons" of another? Something to think about with sin.

 

[stonesoffire]

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EX. 20:1.
And God spoke all these words, saying,............then comes the 'speaking of the Law'.

another scripture says that 'God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him
in Spirit and in Truth.

this is the simplicity of 'The Law is Spiritual', for God is a Spirit, - it's The Spirit that gives us LIFE...

The law is spiritual, yet I am sold under sin. I think this is how it goes...then Paul says that he serves God with his mind. And in another place, we fulfill the law.

Am a bit confused at this point.

 

[JaumeJ]

Who does not know what?

That wonderful do-nothing grace-only group of folks who argue always when reading the Epistles on the law, do you suppose these confused experts on the law, legalists that is, know everything?

If so that is quite an oddidtyi since they always confuse the issued.

The more I recommend to all to learn about the law today undergrace from Jesus, the more confusion comes my way from these legalists.

You see Jesus christ speaks plainly on the subject, acts openiy within the law, and has fufilled thelaw and the prophets.

Now if you thing this means I believe we are free to teach against the laws contained within the two great laws of love, you are definitely walking in darkness.

Paul seems to confuse the grace-only bunch, but Jesus Christ is crystal clear on teh subject Your ver posts and accusation s show you are not just a legalist, but a lawyer, jury, and judge, and this should not be so,.

I would not say this ex cept you are a danger to those who believe and act to show their gratitude to go

Yd. You see our only sacrifce since Christ on thecross is gratitude, and as long as you preadh agains this, you are in error..

I have come to grips with the infilling of the holy Spirit on my fear of the law's curse, for I will never die inJesus christ. He has freed all who believe from that fear.... YOu seem to fear omething. Perfect love will cast all of that out.....seek it.

You still don't understand the Lord or Paul.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Working at commandments in your own strength and understanding is unprofitable.

Abiding in Christ and resting in Christ is where we are blessed with the fruit of obedience. It is how we are caused to walk in His Real Statutes not in the ministry of death that legalists and hebrew wannabes try to walk in.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[Enow]

hi Enow,

that's a long post!

how about summarizing it or expanding on the first idea in it?

How are you identified with Christ? By doing the works of the law or by the faith in Jesus Christ apart from the law?

What is the good fight? Keeping the law or keeping the faith in Jesus Christ?

If the law did not save us.. what makes you think finishing His work in us is going to be done by the deeds of the law?

Mayhap, we should look to what that faith in Him does.

Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled[SUP] 22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:[SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Looking to yourself to finish by trying to keep the law for salvation is denying the justification by what Jesus has done for us. Does any believer wants to tell Jesus that it was not enough that they still have to keep the law of Moses?

Acts 13:[SUP]35 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. [SUP]36 [/SUP]For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: [SUP]37 [/SUP]But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;[SUP] 41 [/SUP]Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

 

[Enow]

hi Enow,

that's a long post!

how about summarizing it or expanding on the first idea in it?

How about another scriptural reference?

Acts 15:[SUP]5 [/SUP]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?[SUP] 11 [/SUP]But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Continue reading...

Acts 15:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:[SUP] 25 [/SUP]It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[SUP] 26 [/SUP]Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.[SUP]30 [/SUP]So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

I do not see any regard to the Gentiles to keep the sabbath day, but deferring from the law of Moses of keeping the law.

 

[Grandpa]

Who does not know what?

That wonderful do-nothing grace-only group of folks who argue always when reading the Epistles on the law, do you suppose these confused experts on the law, legalists that is, know everything?

If so that is quite an oddidtyi since they always confuse the issued.

The more I recommend to all to learn about the law today undergrace from Jesus, the more confusion comes my way from these legalists.

You see Jesus christ speaks plainly on the subject, acts openiy within the law, and has fufilled thelaw and the prophets.

Now if you thing this means I believe we are free to teach against the laws contained within the two great laws of love, you are definitely walking in darkness.

Paul seems to confuse the grace-only bunch, but Jesus Christ is crystal clear on teh subject Your ver posts and accusation s show you are not just a legalist, but a lawyer, jury, and judge, and this should not be so,.

I would not say this ex cept you are a danger to those who believe and act to show their gratitude to go

Yd. You see our only sacrifce since Christ on thecross is gratitude, and as long as you preadh agains this, you are in error..

I have come to grips with the infilling of the holy Spirit on my fear of the law's curse, for I will never die inJesus christ. He has freed all who believe from that fear.... YOu seem to fear omething. Perfect love will cast all of that out.....seek it.

You have the politicians gift of saying a bunch of words and not really saying anything of substance at all.

I suppose if you had understanding you would use a lot less words and actually say much more.

Galatians 2:21 [FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[/FONT]Seems pretty simple.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are still ignoring Jesus on all topics. I cannot do away with such an attitude. Perhaps you and some other shuodld meditate on the prospect of learning directly from God..........

You have the politicians gift of saying a bunch of words and not really saying anything of substance at all.

I suppose if you had understanding you would use a lot less words and actually say much more.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Seems pretty simple.

 

[Dan_473]

Keeping the integrity of the Law of Moses is crucial in order for it to do it's work - which is to reveal our need for a Savior.

yep, trying to use a Torah-lite is unwise.

also, it leads the user to think they have the ability to divide the law into For today and Not for today.

 

[Grace777x70]

yep, trying to use a Torah-lite is unwise.

also, it leads the user to think they have the ability to divide the law into For today and Not for today.

I agree.....it is a deception from the enemy and it actually nullifies the grace of God that is in Christ from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

 

[gotime]

Romans 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I suppose you just don't want to see it.

The Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.

Paul continues to compare the 10 commandments to the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus in verse 3&4.

In verse 3 he explains that the law (of sin and death, the 10 commandments) couldn't make a person righteous or perfect.

In verse 4 he explains that the righteousness of the law of sin and death that can't be attained by carnal people, is attained by people who follow after the Spirit and not carnal works of the law.

You have been shown that Paul could not have meant the law of sin is the 10 commandments. You have been shown that in Romans 7 the 10 commandments are the law of God and the law of sin and death is within us while the law of God on stone is without.

You have not addressed the post in any way. I know the law points out sin and brings death as I have freely admitted as there are texts that say exactly that. But we are discussing Romans 8 here and the context is and flow of his teaching is different that is clear by reading it.

If you took Romans 7 into account it is absolutely clear that Paul is talking about two different laws. One the law of sin in side us. the other the law of God the 10 commandments which you so far have not addressed.


I have showed you this already and you have not addressed the texts so I guess I am wasting my time as you will probably not read this either.