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Billyd

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That joint may not be toxic.

Toxic waste on pot farms alarms experts

From the article.

"They are like superfund sites," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Escobar, whose Fresno office has filed numerous marijuana-related environmental damage cases. Superfund sites are those targeted by the U.S. government for hazardous waste cleanup because of the risk to human health or the environment.

The most toxic sites cost as much as $100,000 to clean up, leaving taxpayers with a bill that could reach $100 million or more in California alone.
 

Magenta

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By Sharon Bernstein

WEAVERVILLE, Calif. (Reuters) - Pollution from illegal marijuana farms deep in California's national forests is far worse than previously thought, and has turned thousands of acres into waste dumps so toxic that simply touching plants has landed law enforcement officers in the hospital.


The volume of banned or restricted pesticides and illegally applied fertilizers in the woods dwarfs estimates by the U.S. Forest Service in 2014, when a top enforcement official testified that the pollution was threatening forest land in California and other states.


California accounts for more than 90 percent of illegal U.S. marijuana farming, with much of it exported to other states from thousands of sites hidden deep inside forested federal land, and more on private property, law enforcement officials said. The state is still developing a licensing system for growers even though legal retail sales of the drug will begin next year, and medical use has been allowed for decades.


Ecologist Mourad Gabriel, who documents the issue for the Forest Service as well as other state, local and federal law enforcement agencies, estimates California's forests hold 41 times more solid fertilizers and 80 times more liquid pesticides than Forest Service investigators found in 2013.


Growers use fertilizers and pesticides long restricted or banned in the United States, including carbofuran and zinc phosphide. In previous years, it was commonly sold fertilizers and pesticides that were used illegally, law enforcement officials said.


Exposure to the pesticides has sent at least five law enforcement officials and two suspects to hospitals with skin rashes, respiratory problems and other symptoms, court documents and state data show.


Use of any chemicals in national forests is against federal law, as pesticides have killed sensitive species and fertilizers can cause algae blooms and bacteria problems in rivers and streams.


According to unpublished data seen by Reuters, Gabriel, who has visited more than 100 sites in California and is widely considered the top expert on toxics at marijuana farms, calculated that federal land in California contains 731,000 pounds of solid fertilizer, 491,000 ounces of concentrated liquid fertilizer and 200,000 ounces of toxic pesticides.


If much of the pesticide and fertilizer were released into a single stream rather than scattered around the state in leaky containers, the volume would exceed the amount of chemicals spilled in 2014 into the Elk River in West Virginia, which left 300,000 residents without access to potable water.


"We're getting contamination over and over again at those locations," said Gabriel, as toxins move from unsafe containers into the soil and water.


At sites that state officials said they had cleaned up completely, his team found 30-50 percent of the chemicals were still there.


"They are like superfund sites," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Escobar, whose Fresno office has filed numerous marijuana-related environmental damage cases. Superfund sites are those targeted by the U.S. government for hazardous waste cleanup because of the risk to human health or the environment.


Federal prosecutors have also charged pot growers with environmental crimes in Alaska, Oregon and Washington.


The most toxic sites cost as much as $100,000 to clean up, leaving taxpayers with a bill that could reach $100 million or more in California alone.


"These places aren't safe to go into," said state Assemblyman Jim Wood, who has pushed for cleanup funding.


Use of toxins has grown over the past three to four years, and chemicals have been found at sites in Oregon and Washington as well, said Chris Boehm, the Forest Service's assistant director for enforcement and investigation. "In the last couple years we've lost a lot of the ground we had picked up in eradicating and cleaning up the new sites we find."


The expense and danger of cleanup has created a backlog of 639 illegal marijuana farms awaiting restoration in California, according to U.S. Forest Service data compiled for Reuters. Each farm covers up to 50 acres.


Gabriel said that figure understated the problem, and pointed out that toxics are used at thousands of illegal farms on private and tribal land. After a year or two, growers often abandon sites, leaving containers of chemicals so toxic a quarter-teaspoon could kill a bear.


As California moves to license growers, officials plan to regulate the use of chemicals. But rules can only be enforced against those who cultivate pot legally.

"There are a lot of incentives for continuing to grow illegally," said Washington Fish and Wildlife Deputy Chief Mike Cenci, citing growers' distaste for taxes and red tape.


"We've got 4,000 illegal grows in our county," said Keith Groves, a supervisor of Trinity County in Northern California. "I'll be happy if we can get 500 of them to become licensed."


(Reporting by Sharon Bernstein; Editing by Ben Klayman and Richard Chang)
 

Billyd

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4000 illegal farms in one county and county supervisor will be happy to get 400 regulated. I hate to say it, but that's just plain pathetic.

I can only imagine what toxins have made it into the supply chain from the US grown pot. Then there's south of the border where there are absolutely no controls over how it's grown.
 
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I cant wait until it is legalized nation wide
 
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Yes i do smoke it, i guess i expect what people who drink which i do not drink expect which is it just relaxes me sometimes and you do not get hangovers in the morning like yoh do with alcohal
 

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I cant wait until it is legalized nation wide
That would take an act of Congress and I don't see that happening in this current political climate. Possessing and selling pot is a federal offense and subject to arrest and confinement. This is true even in the states that have legalized it. Federal law takes precedence over state law.
 
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That would take an act of Congress and I don't see that happening in this current political climate. Possessing and selling pot is a federal offense and subject to arrest and confinement. This is true even in the states that have legalized it. Federal law takes precedence over state law.
And anyone caught with it should be prosecuted.
I have trouble understanding how anyone who smokes pot calls themselves a Christian.
 

preacher4truth

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And anyone caught with it should be prosecuted.
I have trouble understanding how anyone who smokes pot calls themselves a Christian.

Like Lincoln said, [FONT=&quot]How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.[/FONT]

People can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't make them so. If there is no sanctifying process, there is no salvation. By the way, I used to smoke weed. A lot. There is nothing about it that is sanctifying, Christian or godly.
 
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Like Lincoln said, How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.

People can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't make them so. If there is no sanctifying process, there is no salvation. By the way, I used to smoke weed. A lot. There is nothing about it that is sanctifying, Christian or godly.
I am amazed at how many "Christian's" lives are no different than the unsaved.
We are taught to be separate ourselves and not conform to the evil world we live in.
Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".
And yet some say "I will do as I please".
Sad, sad state.
 

preacher4truth

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I am amazed at how many "Christian's" lives are no different than the unsaved.
We are taught to be separate ourselves and not conform to the evil world we live in.
Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".
And yet some say "I will do as I please".
Sad, sad state.
Don't be amazed, these professing believers are those described as having an appearance of godliness, but denying its power. In other words they deny the transforming power of the Gospel in the way they live, while they may talk about being godly.

Note Gill:

but denying the power thereof; though in words they profess religion and godliness, the fear of God, and the pure worship of him, yet in works they deny all; and though they may have a set of notions in their heads, yet they feel nothing of the power of them on their hearts; and are strangers to experimental religion, and powerful godliness. -- John Gill

Remember, a plant draws from the nutriments that which is according to its character -- so to those professing to be believers. If they are drawing theirs from worldliness then they are not godly but worldly.

Some think that since they believe they are saved, they get a pass to live howsoever they desire. Free Grace Theology (a false theological system) has lead many to believe they can live a lawless life and still enter heaven.

Let them argue for their ungodliness and attempt to justify it (and they have their many self-deceived arguments lined out to justify their ungodliness) 2 Timothy 3:5 tells us to turn away from them. Note also Titus 1:16.
 

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Yes i do smoke it, i guess i expect what people who drink which i do not drink expect which is it just relaxes me sometimes and you do not get hangovers in the morning like yoh do with alcohal
Oh no...a few have come to drop judgment upon you.


Ya know, when people who can't even draw stick figures claim that l'm a bad artist, l kinda just laugh.
They open their mouths with an opinion, slinging venom as if they are given great authority over mankinds actions....l bet they also drink beer. lol
Hypocrites.


Pot opinions?...blah, they're just blowin smoke.
 
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I am amazed at how many "Christian's" lives are no different than the unsaved.
We are taught to be separate ourselves and not conform to the evil world we live in.
Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".
And yet some say "I will do as I please".
Sad, sad state.
There are many people in the world that believe in the God of the Bible,but do not believe all that is written,and do not understand why Jesus is the Savior,or do not believe that it means that He is the Savior.They do not go to Church,do not preach the Gospel,and do not conduct themselves as God would have them do,but they believe in the God of the Bible.

People that confess Christ,but their lifestlye does not appear as one that is saved,seems like they kicked it up a notch from those that believe in the God of the Bible,but do not care to go to Church thinking it is not neccesary,but they did not kick it up enough,so they will appear as if they are still a part of the world.

They are caught in between the world that believes in the God of the Bible,but not understanding Jesus is the Savior,and those that are led of the Spirit,for they confess Christ,kicked it up a notch,but act like the world,did not kick it up far enough.
 

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Like Lincoln said, How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.

People can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't make them so. If there is no sanctifying process, there is no salvation. By the way, I used to smoke weed. A lot. There is nothing about it that is sanctifying, Christian or godly.
Wrong. Salvation is by faith, the moment we are justified through said faith we are positionally sanctified. Living a holy life is a command not for the sake of being saved, but because one already is saved.

What is worse? Denying the Lord three times as Peter did or getting intoxicated off of a substance as Noah did? Strangely, both of these men are with Christ as I type this. For all we know Noah may have been an alcoholic, but surely Peter's sin was deserving of the hellfire? The truth is, both men are deserving, as am I. We are condemned by our works, but justified by our faith, because Jesus is our sanctification.
 
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Wrong. Salvation is by faith, the moment we are justified through said faith we are positionally sanctified. Living a holy life is a command not for the sake of being saved, but because one already is saved.

What is worse? Denying the Lord three times as Peter did or getting intoxicated off of a substance as Noah did? Strangely, both of these men are with Christ as I type this. For all we know Noah may have been an alcoholic, but surely Peter's sin was deserving of the hellfire? The truth is, both men are deserving, as am I. We are condemned by our works, but justified by our faith, because Jesus is our sanctification.
Well said young man!:cool:
 

preacher4truth

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Wrong. Salvation is by faith, the moment we are justified through said faith we are positionally sanctified. Living a holy life is a command not for the sake of being saved, but because one already is saved.
Sanctification isn't merely "positional" as you put it.

As I well know, it is not a command for being saved, but it is evidence of one who is saved, and it isn't merely "positional". No need for you to attempt to imply that I've ever stated it had anything to do with saving a person.

If it isn't happening, active and progressive sanctification, the person has never been converted. If you have another straw man to erect, go for it. Again, if there is no sanctifying process, there is no salvation. Hebrews 12:14.

Scripture is clear on that in many instances, and you need to know the difference between descriptive and prescriptive texts before you come out offering false assumptions on others as if they believe they are earning salvation.
 
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God gave gave us every seed bearing plant to use on earth, to make iy illegal is an unchristian thought you might want to pick up your bible to see what god says instead of your preacher
 

Magenta

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Yes i do smoke it, i guess i expect what people who drink which i do not drink expect which is it just relaxes me sometimes and you do not get hangovers in the morning like yoh do with alcohal
Thank you for answering, though when I asked what you expected to happen, I did not mean what do you expect to happen when you smoke it, but what do you expect to happen if and when marijuana is legalized country wide? Here in Canada people are no longer charged with a criminal offense as long as they carry under a certain amount for personal use (which indicates they are not dealing), its recreational use is widely tolerated, with people openly smoking it at concerts and open air events, and you do not even always need a prescription to get it medically prescribed to you. Dispensaries operate all over the city even though it is not even completely legal yet.
 

Magenta

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God gave gave us every seed bearing plant to use on earth, to make iy illegal is an unchristian thought you might want to pick up your bible to see what god says instead of your preacher
He gave us plants to use as food, but sobriety is advocated, and being stoned is not sober living.
 

preacher4truth

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God gave gave us every seed bearing plant to use on earth,
He sure did, and the context of that half quoted twisted Scripture is according to what usage? That's right, FOOD, not smoking weed, Genesis 1:29.