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I believe that there is one God...the creator who has manifested Himself in many ways in the Bible. I believe that for our human brains to fathom something so incredible He used different manifestations for our understanding. In the old testament many times He appeared and spoke. Until He wrapped Himself in flesh and was born into this world we could not look directly on Him. The angel appeared and named Him Jesus. When baptized the one true God appeared as like a dove. This I believe to be His example of how we receive Him as the Holy Spirit. All one being...just manifested in ways we could understand. After Jesus Christ, there is no other way of salvation. He is the way the truth and the life. When it talks about Jesus being at the right hand of the father it doesn't mean Jesus is sitting there. It means Jesus ( God in human flesh) was given all the power of God the Father. So when He was born of flesh He had the same power as before. He also had what He gave us in the flesh...the ability to sin...free will. Unlike each of us...He chose not to. It's a deep and very important subject...but it is also very difficult for our puny brains to really grasp. Now if you can argue my last sentence...you are surely wearing britches way to big for you and probably a ten gallon hat.
And just so y'all don't take it out of context, the Angel appeared to Mary and said His name shall be Jesus.
This does not make sense.
Of course there is an alternative to every lie, its called truth. Or another lie.
So, do you have any biblical alternative explanation instead of Trinity so that we can look at it biblically?
Thanks.
How can various manifestations of one person talk to each other?
Also, if Jesus was fully God and only person in Godhead, who resurrected Him if there is no other person in God?
Also, what sense it makes that Jesus was praying to Father in Getsemane and asked Him about not having to go to the cross? Explain please.
the answer to the question "who resurrected Jesus?" is profound:
the Father, according to Acts 2:32-34, Romans 8:11, and other passages;
the Spirit, according to Romans 1:4, 1 Peter 3:18 and elsewhere by inference;
the Son, according to John 2:19 & 10:18.
the Spirit, according to Romans 1:4, 1 Peter 3:18 and elsewhere by inference;
the Son, according to John 2:19 & 10:18.
a lot can be learned through asking the right questions
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"is anything too hard for God"?
considering he made man and then woman out of man's rib nothing is too hard for God,is it impossible for God to be in body but also in spirit?
indeed for did he not speak through a burning bush to Moses?
indeed,if Jesus was not God made flesh then why in Jesus's being tempted of satan was Jesus not injured or better yet why did Satan not outright kill Jesus if he had no power over satan,also think ye it not strange that God did not speak but Jesus alone,if Jesus was not God made flesh then why did God not speak in protection of his son Jesus,answer...because God was Jesus,also a last very important point to further analyze if Jesus was not God made flesh whom was God and had almighty power then why is that after crucifixion,Jesus not only was in hell yet was not overcome by Satan,and not only exited hell but took the "keys" of hell as well before he resurrected,only one could have entered hell and exited hell with the "keys" of hell with satan not being able to stop him,and that is God whom is made manifest in three forms...
1.God,Father(original full glory form in which to look upon his face resulted in death!)
2.Jesus/Immanuel(God with us)/son of God/God made flesh(not as glorified form,but still he had almighty power!)
3.Holyspirit/Holy ghost(more discreet form which mainly consists of God speaking in an omni present form,through our minds,while still having his almighty power!)
all 3 are 1,God's forms he uses and has used to not only manifest but help his servsants in different ways,depending on the situation.
if ye still do not believe then look unto scripture further,for example when the disciples asked for Jesus to show them the father(God) but Jesus replied"why say ye show us the father?,for if you have seen the son then you have seen the father",may God bless you and guide you to your answer you seek!
the answer to the question "who resurrected Jesus?" is profound:
the Father, according to Acts 2:32-34, Romans 8:11, and other passages;
the Spirit, according to Romans 1:4, 1 Peter 3:18 and elsewhere by inference;
the Son, according to John 2:19 & 10:18.
a lot can be learned through asking the right questions
I checked your references and I did not found it there.
Neither Rom 1: nor 1Pt 3:18 say that Jesus was resurrected by the Holy Spirit.
And references to Son are...hm, so-so.
No. Therefore not even the Trinity, right?
Use your own arguments for Trinity as you use against Trinity and the case is done.
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I dont think Jesus and God are the same entity. God is the father
and Jesus is the son. This belief does not diminish Jesus's diety.
Tommy, is there more than ONE God?
I think that there is so much confusion about the trinity because people want to believe words say more than they do. The terms elohim and theos (words translated to God) are words that define "divine" or heavenly being. The Bible doesn't say there is only one theos or god, it merely states that there is only one that we should call Lord, that we pray to and serve. Essentially there are many divine beings but One who is the Most High. He is the Creator, and Christ is His Son. They are the same as in type of being not the same individual. Since He created us, for His purposes He holds the intellectual property rights and decides our fate. We are His property.
"...one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." (Eph 4:6)
"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one." (Gal 3:20)
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that." (James 2:19)
Before time began there was, living eternally, a threefold Being, never lonely because He could talk with Himself in His threefoldness, co-equal and co-eternal..
Then He planned the creation leading up to man. God Spoke through His Word and the world was created, while the Spirit hovered over it ensuring its 'goodness'.
But man fell. Then the Godhead planned for his redemption. Of the threefold being one (the Word) was chosen to enter the world as man and die on the cross (He was the Son). One was chosen to enter the world and renew mankind (He was the Holy Spirit). One remained in overall control (He was the Father). But all thought, and acted in the same way and were always one.
Then He planned the creation leading up to man. God Spoke through His Word and the world was created, while the Spirit hovered over it ensuring its 'goodness'.
But man fell. Then the Godhead planned for his redemption. Of the threefold being one (the Word) was chosen to enter the world as man and die on the cross (He was the Son). One was chosen to enter the world and renew mankind (He was the Holy Spirit). One remained in overall control (He was the Father). But all thought, and acted in the same way and were always one.
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It might surprise you but there are things that God cannot do: God cannot lie, he cannot have evil thoughts, He cannot rule unjustly, He cannot deceive but He can love, God is the epitome of love, God is love, He is truth, He is Just and righteous. God can change his mind, and has done so, but in a proper judicial manner.
what sort of conversationalists would this threesome be, they would all be saying "Nice Day"..."Nice day".."Nice day", "That's what I said". That's what I said" That's what I said". "What are you goi ngn to do today?" "Same as you, and the same as the other bloke."
Later on they will get the idea: "I know, we will all go to the earth, become like a human and get ourselves killed, sounds like fun"
"I know, we will all go to the earth, become like a human and get ourselves killed, sounds like fun"
"I know, we will all go to the earth, become like a human and get ourselves killed, sounds like fun"
"Yeah, fun." "Yeah fun" "Yeah Fun, for sure" "Watch out, this one is trying to take over"
says God Almighty" Let's forget all this rot and just forget the man made trinity.
I consider that blasphemous in the extreme, You need to beware.
I leave to God what one said to another in eternity. It is not for us to know. But we have a conversation between God and the angel of YHWH on a number of occasions, and the Angel of YHWH was YHWH (Gen 13.15; 22.15-16)
Get behind me Satan. You are an offence to me. I cannot forget the Triune God, He is my Creator and my Saviour.
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I do not think this can be written by a Christian.
And if you are composing your posts like this I do not think your views of God are relevant in any way.
Sorry, but I assumed these are independent Bible students and not just rattling off Church teachings.