Not By Works

[Desertsrose]

No drugs are good to be on for any amount of time. If one can get off them - that's better. Ubiquinol is the actual form that our body uses. CoQ10 is converted to ubiquinal in our bodies but the process is not that complete and may not be converted in doses needed for a therapeutic effect - especially as we age. There is evidence that this form is utilized better by our bodies.

My Dr. has wanted me to get on statins for years, but I kept telling her no. I finally caved in when my bad cholesterol read 209 this last time on my blood work. She was really concerned for me and rightly so.

But I just can't take the Lipitor. I'm not sure what I'll do next. Maybe red yeast rice. I don't want to do anything until the side effects subside. But some say that can take awhile.


Before I was mostly vegan, but now I'm going to go off meat totally and no fats at all except nuts, seeds and avocado. The good fats. Hopefully that will be of help.


Mayo says that studies are mixed. Here's a quote from their website.
Because coenzyme Q10 plays a role in muscle cell energy production, some researchers have proposed that taking a coenzyme Q10 supplement might reduce the risk of muscle-related side effects.


Scientific studies to determine the effectiveness of coenzyme Q10 in reducing statin-related muscle pain have had mixed results. Some studies show a benefit while other studies show no effect.

 

[Grace777x70]

My Dr. has wanted me to get on statins for years, but I kept telling her no. I finally caved in when my bad cholesterol read 209 this last time on my blood work. She was really concerned for me and rightly so.

But I just can't take the Lipitor. I'm not sure what I'll do next. Maybe red yeast rice. I don't want to do anything until the side effects subside. But some say that can take awhile.


Before I was mostly vegan, but now I'm going to go off meat totally and no fats at all except nuts, seeds and avocado. The good fats. Hopefully that will be of help.


Mayo says that studies are mixed. Here's a quote from their website.
Because coenzyme Q10 plays a role in muscle cell energy production, some researchers have proposed that taking a coenzyme Q10 supplement might reduce the risk of muscle-related side effects.


Scientific studies to determine the effectiveness of coenzyme Q10 in reducing statin-related muscle pain have had mixed results. Some studies show a benefit while other studies show no effect.

I definitely believe in eating healthy foods including the good fats. I eat about 30% of my diet in fats like coconut oil and avocados.

Let's agree together in the name of the Lord Jesus that our Father will give you "the way that you are to go". I believe His heart's desire for you is to be well and healthy in spirit, soul and body.

 

[Desertsrose]

I definitely believe in eating healthy foods including the good fats. I eat about 30% of my diet in fats like coconut oil and avocados.

Let's agree together in the name of the Lord Jesus that our Father will give you "the way that you are to go". I believe His heart's desire for you is to be well and healthy in spirit, soul and body.

​Amen, thanks grace.

 

[TruthTalk]

Paul said in his letter to the Corinthians to examine yourselves to see if Christ is in you. Being in the faith is being in Christ and Christ is in us.

All saints are in Christ and "in the faith."

Therefore, we have to cooperate with God’s grace. But not in a legalistic fashion where our trust is in our efforts or works. Paul said that made the grace of God in vain. “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Galatians 2:21 )

Again thank you and very well said.

 

[LoveGodForever]

You would be the one to notice that, do acronyms count too?It reminds me of when Jesus and His disciples picked heads of grain on the Sabbath

Why where you one of the ones that gave that post a like?

 

[Seohce]

I want to reiterate.....ALL who are genuinely born from above have already done the WORKS OF THE FATHER.....those being to believe on him whom he hath sent.....!

John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “WHAT MUST WE DO to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU TO SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS AND GIVE IT TO THE POOR FOR YOU TO BE PERFECT AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD?(mat 19:16-30)...BUT YOU IGNORE THIS WHEN SOMEONE CALLS YOU OUT OR CHALLENGE YOU.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU

“if you love me, you will obey what I command.”(john 14:15)...BUT YOU WILL SAY OBEDIENCE DON’T SAVE BUT FAITH ALONE.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU;

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.(john 14:12)? ...BUT YOU WILL SAY THAT WORKS ARE WORKS ARE WORKS!

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU

‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”(mat 25:45-46)?...BUT YOU WILL SAY IT’S NOT BY WORKS.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY REJECT GOD’S WORDS EVIDENCED BY THE POST BELOW?

Originally Posted by Seohce (post#1615 page81)
By the way the truth of everything bugging your head are all in the scriptures, just need an open mind, heart, eyes, ears & true faith to accept them. This thread is turning into a discussion for baby Christians the way it appears and a good way to promote division rather than unity.

(Your reply)
I hear blah, blah, blah...........and your last post 1614 has no bearing on this thread.........BABY Christians you say......You should try the truth instead of your works.....faith in Jesus will take you a whole lot further than your works based pseudo religion.

CAN I GET AN HONEST REPLY?

 

[dcontroversal]

Going back to Jesus is never early. It's bang on time. His time

Touche....time and chance also happen unto all <--Solomon said that!

 

[joefizz]

James chapter 2 verse 26,"for as the body without the spirit is dead,so faith without works is dead also.
ok I believe the bible just told the answer,"clearly" and "accurately",so what will be the next question to answer???

simple yet true.

 

[dcontroversal]

John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “WHAT MUST WE DO to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU TO SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS AND GIVE IT TO THE POOR FOR YOU TO BE PERFECT AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD?(mat 19:16-30)...BUT YOU IGNORE THIS WHEN SOMEONE CALLS YOU OUT OR CHALLENGE YOU.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU

“if you love me, you will obey what I command.”(john 14:15)...BUT YOU WILL SAY OBEDIENCE DON’T SAVE BUT FAITH ALONE.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU;

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.(john 14:12)? ...BUT YOU WILL SAY THAT WORKS ARE WORKS ARE WORKS!

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN HE TELLS YOU

‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”(mat 25:45-46)?...BUT YOU WILL SAY IT’S NOT BY WORKS.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY REJECT GOD’S WORDS EVIDENCED BY THE POST BELOW?

Originally Posted by Seohce (post#1615 page81)
By the way the truth of everything bugging your head are all in the scriptures, just need an open mind, heart, eyes, ears & true faith to accept them. This thread is turning into a discussion for baby Christians the way it appears and a good way to promote division rather than unity.

(Your reply)
I hear blah, blah, blah...........and your last post 1614 has no bearing on this thread.........BABY Christians you say......You should try the truth instead of your works.....faith in Jesus will take you a whole lot further than your works based pseudo religion.

CAN I GET AN HONEST REPLY?

Can you ask without being mouthy and what is your question....Faith saves alone...to embellish for salvation equals not saved....so what is your question without assumptions, vitriol and attitude

 

[dcontroversal]

So true, dude.

Just imagine..... if there was no such thing as eisegesis, this thread wouldn't have lasted five pages, LOL!

Just think if people acknowledged the truth that faith alone saves void of works and said salvation was eternal...but that's ok...most false religions teach a works based cafe blend psuedo salvation!

 

[dcontroversal]

Abraham did the works of faith and obeyed God, and iit was reckoned to hm as righteousness....

Genesis 26

• 1 And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went to Abimelech king of the Philistines to Gerar.
  
• 26:2 And the LORD appeared to him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell you of:
  
• 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with you, and will bless you; for to you, and to your seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father;
  
• 26:4 And I will make your seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give to your seed all these countries; and in your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
  
• 
  
• 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham BELIEVED God and is was put to his account for righteousness and the David described the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law (works) PAUL concluded Abraham was justified by FAITH VOID OF WORKS....

 

[dcontroversal]

it will still be completed, nothing can stop it when it starts, that's Gods promise,

It blows my mind....how many deny the ability of Jesus who is GOD to finish what he started and bring it to completion....those who say salvation can be lost say Christ is weak and not the God of heaven..

 

[dcontroversal]

Easy Believism:

John 5: 24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will NOT come under judgment but has passed from death to life.

Please note: Jesus taught this to people who might never hear another statement from Him again. And it was TRUTH. This idea that you need more than belief is ridiculous!! Equally ridiculous is the idea that belief doesn't lead to good works.

It is the result of us having eternal life and having passed from death to life. That we fulfill the commandments of Scripture to have good works. There are NO good works without having already partaken of life. Because without Christ NONE seek God and do right.

Yet now in Christ, we are commanded to draw near to Him as He draws near to us.

This is made possible by the transformative work done in our heart in Christ through belief.

If we truly want to see people walk after God, I suggest we focus on the POWER of belief not trying to negate it.

Amen....easy believism is a mor---- term made up by those who work for their salvation....more fluff....

It please God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that BELIEVE <---- WHAT the workers for call easy believism.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Never in my forty years as a Christian have I ever heard this kind of theology being taught, about the doctrine of Grace. Grace is not easy believe-ism and Jesus Christ of Nazareth was full of Grace and Truth. The bible say's "grow in grace and the knowledge of Him. The rock solid Church's that I have been blessed to be a member of alway's teach Grow in grace. God's Grace means, "unmerited favor" not easy believe-ism or, okay its time to take a grace break now.

Amen.....welcome to the twisted gospel of works pushed by the plenteous in number crew that will be saying LORD LORD DID WE NOT.............tragic for sure

 

[dcontroversal]

I used to sell Lipitor before I retired. Make sure you are taking coq10 or ubiquinol would be better if you are on Lipitor.

Why is that bro? Was on Simvastatin but was not as strong as they liked

 

[dcontroversal]

You explain to me how one out sins grace?

I will be waiting.

No doubt....especially since the bible is clear on the subject....

Where sin abounds, grace did much more abound!

 

[dcontroversal]

If faith came from God, how could you lose it? Did God fail?

Only if faith comes from self can it fail and "fall away"

I do not have to do away with anything God says to believe my salvation is secure in Him, It is based on him

1. He died for me
2. He drew me after I started to seek him and helped me understand the true gospel
3. His work and his promise I deemed trustworthy, so I placed my trust in him
4. He adopted me
5. He gave me the right to be called his child
6. He washed me and made me white as snow
7. He justified me
8. He redeemed me
9. He atoned my sin
10, He took what was contrary to me and nailed it to the cross
11. He perfected me
12. He gave me his seal
13. He made me alive
14. He will grow me as I learn to trust him more
15. If i walk astray, He will come find me, I know his voice, because I am his sheep. and I will gladly follow
16. He will chasten me when I get out of line, Who can withstand the lords chastening
17. He will give me the desires of my heart if my heart is aligned with his
18. He will protect me if the desires of my heart are not aligned with his ( I know he knows what is sbest, I may not be happy about it at the time, but I trust him)
19. He will complete the work he started in me, and make sure it is finished.

No, to me, to say salvation can be forfiet is to you must do away with prety much ALL he said.. and make his promises depend on the power of self. not on the power of himself.

1. My God is omniscient, I can not fool him into thinking I have faith when I do not
2. My God knew me and all my sin (past present and future to me) were future when he died, He paid for them all not just some, When I came to him, I asked forgiveness for all. not just my past. Because I was not proud enough to think I would never think again, it would be worthless for me to just trust God to forgive me of my past sin, and not ask him to forgive my future also.

I can go on and on and on. But no, I can not agree with you on this subject, I am sorry.

Amen...bump this one....

 

[BillG]

So, everyone, what do you think of this? Was I being mean & sarcastic?

Ole Bill missed a couple of posters on the previous page that posted before I did. The issue of the wok had already started.

The next thing you know, I'm accused of going after EG & tryin to hurt his feelings.

Everybody knows you couldn't hurt EG if you tried.

So, what was this really about?

This is the cool part..... Bill picked me out of a crowd of pranksters playing with the wok. He initially did to me what he claimed I was doing to EG.....

That's called projection..... putting your character onto someone else to blame them for what you're doing, making them the bad guy & himself the good guy for calling it out.

A slick one, that Bill is.

He did a psychological play on this thread to make yours truly look bad.....and some fell for it.

While he accuses me of trying to hurt EG's feelings, he's really trying to hurt mine by embarrassing me.

Why go to all this trouble? Why not just jump Bill's case for it?

That's not my style. It's much better to expose the truth than to get even.

Because I want you to see this guy's true colors. Exposing him for what he is.

BillG's very popular, & he knows it. He knows how much influence he wields in the BDF.

I'll give him this..... he's smarter than the other easy believists he runs with. None of the rest could have pulled this off.

Ask yourself..... did you see this coming? Weren't some of you surprised?

Go back & reread the whole thing..... you'll see I was targeted.

You think he said that because I didn't put an emoji in the post? Everybody else knew I was funning with it.

I knew Bill was like this cause I saw how he treated PeterJen.

Yep, a slick one, that BillG is..... & I want everyone to know it. Definitely smarter than dcon & EG combined.

So, Bill, did you like all the emoji's I used this time?

I have looked back at a few posts before yours and yes you are right.
Woks were in a couple of posts before yours and I had missed them and I didn't correlate Magentas wok pictures.

I was not intentionaly pulling a physiological fast one. I'm not that intelligent.

So for that I apologise.

It does come across that I was going at you but yours was the first post I saw. If it had been someone else's I would have said the same. Anyway that is no excuse for what I said to you. I realise I shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

I also apologise for what I said to you. I hope you accept my apologies.

The only purpose I have been on this site is to spend time with fellow believers.
I have no agenda, I am not interested in being popular.
Also just so you know I am not into easy beleivsm either.

Anyway I hope you accept my apologies and hopefully we can move on.

Bill

 

[Seohce]

Can you ask without being mouthy and what is your question....Faith saves alone...to embellish for salvation equals not saved....so what is your question without assumptions, vitriol and attitude

Sorry for being mouthy and for the seems to be a vague question but anyway i just copied one of my post that might have escaped your attention because you never made a reply. I hope you would now.



Only proves you don't have the Holy Spirit because you won't let Him work in you as His spiritual vessel. The person who truly has the Holy Spirit manifests a faith that worketh in love and you clearly don't have this love for you cannot OBEY His commands.

New International Version 1984 Ephesians 4:1-16 Unity in the Body of Christ As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. BE COMPLETELY HUMBLE AND GENTLE; be patient, bearing with one another in love. MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO KEEP THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.” (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

How can anyone reject GOOD WORKS while claiming on the other hand that it is God who works in and through a believer and to make the confusion worse, while claiming to have the HS, they blatantly declare that they are SINNERS who continue to sin daily and therefore making God whom they claim to live in them is the one sinning because they have no participation in what they do. They make more confusing remarks along with cursings and insults to push their doctrines and to demean other believers who stand on their way.

1 Corinthians 14:37-40 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

THIS IS MY FINAL APPEAL TO YOU TO STOP DIVIDING THE CHURCH AND TO REPENT AND ADMIT YOUR MISTAKES FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER BELIEVERS.

IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO LISTEN TO MY PLEA, THEN I CHALLENGE YOU TO TAKE HEED AND TAKE ACTION ON JESUS' COMMAND FOR YOU TO SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS TO BE GIVEN TO THE POOR IN ALL HONESTY AND COMPASSION OUT OF LOVE FOR GOD.

1 John 5:1-3 Faith in the Son of God Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

1 John 3:16-18 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

REMEMBER:

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

John 12:47-50 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

I HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU BUT I KNOW YOU CAN HANDLE THIS AS AN EX-MARINE AND AN ETERNALLY SAVED CHILD OF GOD AS YOU CLAIM.

IT IS YOUR DECLARATION THAT WORKS ARE THE RESULT OF SALVATION THROUGH FAITH AND THE EVIDENCE OR PROOF OF THEM.

SORRY PAL BUT CAN YOU PROVE THAT "SAVING FAITH" THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING TO ALREADY POSSESS WITH YOUR SALVATION?

 

[Rosemaryx]

This seems to be the hangout these days.

Summer break...but September is around the corner...then I will be scarce

and it seems after the past few posts some will be very relived not to hear me talk about Grace anymore.

Good morning UG ...If you EVER stopped talking about Grace, i would have to come over to where ever you are and give you a good shake up ...Let the Grace of God spill from your lips wherever you go, He is our Savior and should always be proclaimed from the roof tops , keep preaching sister, " Let those who have ears hear "...xox...