Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham did the works of faith and obeyed God, and iit was reckoned to hm as righteousness....

Genesis 26

• 1 And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went to Abimelech king of the Philistines to Gerar.
  
• 26:2 And the LORD appeared to him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell you of:
  
• 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with you, and will bless you; for to you, and to your seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father;
  
• 26:4 And I will make your seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give to your seed all these countries; and in your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
  
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• 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Go back to the original passage where God declared Abraham righteous.

He did it because Abraham believed, NOT because he yet did one work. All Abraham's mighty works came after he was declared righteous.

He worked because he had true faith.. He was not saved because of those works, he worked because he was saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul said to examine our own fruit and see if we be in the faith, or have we received the grace of God in vain.....be blessed

Yep, our own, Not everyone elses.. So why do you and people like you like to inspect everyone elses fruit? Can that prove they are saved? Would we not need to be God and see their heart to prove if their work came from true saving faiht, or selfish desire? (in order to gain something for self. say like salvation?)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if a man believes he doesn't have to obey God to acquire final salvation, then i would suppose he wont obey ....Paul says what a man thinks, so is he .................be blessed

This is troubling, If a man thinks he has to work to acquire salvation, he would think he had to earn it, and the cross would lose its meaning.

On the other hand, if a man understood he needed saved because his works were evil, he would want and desire to not only be saved of his own sins, but change his life, and do works which were righteous. would he not?

 

[gb9]

Go back to the original passage where God declared Abraham righteous.

He did it because Abraham believed, NOT because he yet did one work. All Abraham's mighty works came after he was declared righteous.

He worked because he had true faith.. He was not saved because of those works, he worked because he was saved.

Abraham went where God told him to because he believed. he did not go where God told him so he would start to be believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It blows my mind....how many deny the ability of Jesus who is GOD to finish what he started and bring it to completion....those who say salvation can be lost say Christ is weak and not the God of heaven..

Yet they claim to have faith in the God they mock, and declare is weak. As scripture said, the mind, who can understand it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham went where God told him to because he believed. he did not go where God told him so he would start to be believe.

Noah took a year to build an ark because he had faith

all our works are a product of faith, not a precurser to faith.

we are saved by faith, Not works, lest anyone should boast.

If Noah was saved because he built the ark, he could boast mightily of earning his salvation.

Paul tells us if Abraham was saved because of his mighty works, he could boast of his mighty deeds.

But not before God, Why? God despaired them righteous the MOMENT they had faith, before they lifted one hand or took one step to do one work.

God does not need proof.

 

[mailmandan]

Go back to the original passage where God declared Abraham righteous.

He did it because Abraham believed, NOT because he yet did one work. All Abraham's mighty works came after he was declared righteous.

He worked because he had true faith.. He was not saved because of those works, he worked because he was saved.

Amen! In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. *This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works, "shown to be righteous."

James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

 

[mailmandan]

Noah took a year to build an ark because he had faith

all our works are a product of faith, not a precurser to faith.

we are saved by faith, Not works, lest anyone should boast.

If Noah was saved because he built the ark, he could boast mightily of earning his salvation.

Paul tells us if Abraham was saved because of his mighty works, he could boast of his mighty deeds.

But not before God, Why? God despaired them righteous the MOMENT they had faith, before they lifted one hand or took one step to do one work.

God does not need proof.

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience in building the ark was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith, not the origin of it.

 

[posthuman]

BEHOLD


Ralph is here, now bring forth your questions and I will answer them one by one.

consider the differential equation [SUP]dx[/SUP]/[SUB]dy[/SUB] = f(x) on the plane, where f is a smooth function.

suppose that there are two nonconstant periodic solutions for which one surrounds another and the region bounded by these two periodic solutions contains neither a periodic solution nor an equilibrium.

can both these periodic solutions be orbitally stable?

 

[FranC]

consider the differential equation [SUP]dx[/SUP]/[SUB]dy[/SUB] = f(x) on the plane, where f is a smooth function.

suppose that there are two nonconstant periodic solutions for which one surrounds another and the region bounded by these two periodic solutions contains neither a periodic solution nor an equilibrium.

can both these periodic solutions be orbitally stable?

I got this one...

If I'm on a plane --- I will be stable.

If the plane is not flat or is moving --- I will NOT be stable.


Well?

 

[FranC]

consider the differential equation [SUP]dx[/SUP]/[SUB]dy[/SUB] = f(x) on the plane, where f is a smooth function.

suppose that there are two nonconstant periodic solutions for which one surrounds another and the region bounded by these two periodic solutions contains neither a periodic solution nor an equilibrium.

can both these periodic solutions be orbitally stable?

Does this have something to do with our having to work for our salvation constantly and every day or we'll be doomed to the hot place forever because we didn't work enough and/or because it was not of the highest quality???

 

[FranC]

consider the differential equation [SUP]dx[/SUP]/[SUB]dy[/SUB] = f(x) on the plane, where f is a smooth function.

suppose that there are two nonconstant periodic solutions for which one surrounds another and the region bounded by these two periodic solutions contains neither a periodic solution nor an equilibrium.

can both these periodic solutions be orbitally stable?

TheRealRalph will be along soon to give you the correct answer.
HE knows eveything.

 

[posthuman]

Does this have something to do with our having to work for our salvation constantly and every day or we'll be doomed to the hot place forever because we didn't work enough and/or because it was not of the highest quality???

probably

i trust Ralph ((the real one)) will let us know for sure

 

[Ariel82]

Amen....easy believism is a mor---- term made up by those who work for their salvation....more fluff....

It please God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that BELIEVE <---- WHAT the workers for call easy believism.....

No it's not..,,Biblical grace is not the same as easy believism but blending the terms helps for confusion and more controversy.

 

[TheRealRalph]

consider the differential equation [SUP]dx[/SUP]/[SUB]dy[/SUB] = f(x) on the plane, where f is a smooth function.

suppose that there are two nonconstant periodic solutions for which one surrounds another and the region bounded by these two periodic solutions contains neither a periodic solution nor an equilibrium.

can both these periodic solutions be orbitally stable?

Hah, you jest.

 

[Ariel82]

OSAS does not equal easy believism or hyper grace either, but yeah...let's not let little things like the truth get in the way of a good argument.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience in building the ark was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith, not the origin of it.

Love it when scripture backs your words, Who can argue with this, Amen Brother!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No it's not..,,Biblical grace is not the same as easy believism but blending the terms helps for confusion and more controversy.

depends on how you define easy believism.

if we are talking about licentiousness you are right

if we are talking about the simplicity that is found in christ
2 Corinthians 11:3

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul spoke of his fear that satan would corrupt peoples minds so they could not find the simplicity that was in christ, This is easy believism in its basic form.

 

[FranC]

probably

i trust Ralph ((the real one)) will let us know for sure

Oh yeah.
But he's much MORE FUN than the grace peoples.
Funny how the "works" peoples are more fun.
I don't quite understand it...WHO is more free anyway??
I think the "works" peoples are more free.
Oh yeah.

 

[posthuman]

Hah, you jest.

no, really.

and it really is relevant to the thread, believe it or not - though it takes an understanding of the math in order to see the metaphor.

gadzooks man, the actual Ralph can't answer?

but.. but.. you promised..