The Rapture

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VCO

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I think yer more like Yahoo Serious..



I WAS WARNED THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD JOIN THIS SITE, ALL I CAN SAY IS:
"COME TO REPENTENCE."


2 Peter 3:3-9 (CSBBible)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Above all, be aware of this:
Scoffers will come in the last days scoffing and following their own evil desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, "Where is his 'coming' that he promised? Ever since our ancestors fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation."
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They deliberately overlook this: By the word of God the heavens came into being long ago and the earth was brought about from water and through water.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Through these the world of that time perished when it was flooded.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] By the same word, the present heavens and earth are stored up for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
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Dear friends, don't overlook this one fact: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord does not delay his promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.
 
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Most Christian denominations teach the doctrine of the Rapture. Some denominations teach the Rapture
will occur before the seven-year tribulation (Pretribulationists). Some teach it will occur in the middle of
the seven-year tribulation (Midtribulationists). Still others teach it will occur at the end of the seven-year tribulation or at the Second Coming (Posttribulationists). Since there will be converts during the great Tribulation, the church fathers mention the Antichrist persecuting believers. This says nothing about the Rapture. As to the timing of the Rapture, it should be noted that there are no ancient church fathers that directly teach a Midtribulation Rapture or a Post tribulation Rapture. The ancient church fathers speak
often about the Rapture and constantly remind believers to look for it. Unlike most of the other subjects we have covered, there are but a handful of quotes pointing to the timing of the event.

 

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How much more plain can it get? There must be something wrong if one cannot see this. Our bodies will be raised into immortality, imperishable and glorified bodies.

I agree it is VERY PLAIN, but that just goes to show how dangerous False Doctrines really are. People who are not grounded in the WORD yet, can easily be led astray into these FALSE psuedo Christian Theologies; and it is very hard to get them back out. Those of us who are grounded in the word, and spiritually mature, need to realize that part of our responsibility is to earnesty contend for the FAITH, so that the young immature Lambs (Christians), do not get led astray by these False Doctrines. In Nature, when Wolves are around, the Ewes push their Lambs into the middle of the flock, while the Rams stay on the outside ready to take on the Wolves if necessary to protect the Flock. We are in the time in pophetic history, when the Bible warns us there will be MANY WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Back in the 80's, my wife and I had a dear friend caught up in one of those Weird Theologies that were teaching that Jesus was a sinner. We talked to her on the phone numerous times, and even went to apartment, where we sat in car for awhile PRAYING for God to drive the evil spirits out of her apartment and keep angels (even Michael if need be) on guard while went in to talk to her personally. When we went in she got very confused because she could not find the verses that she was convinced proved Jesus was a sinner. We presented all kinds of Scripture to her, Prayed with her, and still she rejected everything we shared with her. A couple nights later, my wife was on the phone to her again, when suddenly my wife started crying and hung up. My wife cried for a long time, and inbetween sobs, she told me, "I could feel her spirit die."

Spiritual Warefare is VERY REAL, and VERY SERIOUS.
 
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I agree it is VERY PLAIN, but that just goes to show how dangerous False Doctrines really are. People who are not grounded in the WORD yet, can easily be led astray into these FALSE psuedo Christian Theologies; and it is very hard to get them back out. Those of us who are grounded in the word, and spiritually mature, need to realize that part of our responsibility is to earnesty contend for the FAITH, so that the young immature Lambs (Christians), do not get led astray by these False Doctrines. In Nature, when Wolves are around, the Ewes push their Lambs into the middle of the flock, while the Rams stay on the outside ready to take on the Wolves if necessary to protect the Flock. We are in the time in pophetic history, when the Bible warns us there will be MANY WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Back in the 80's, my wife and I had a dear friend caught up in one of those Weird Theologies that were teaching that Jesus was a sinner. We talked to her on the phone numerous times, and even went to apartment, where we sat in car for awhile PRAYING for God to drive the evil spirits out of her apartment and keep angels (even Michael if need be) on guard while went in to talk to her personally. When we went in she got very confused because she could not find the verses that she was convinced proved Jesus was a sinner. We presented all kinds of Scripture to her, Prayed with her, and still she rejected everything we shared with her. A couple nights later, my wife was on the phone to her again, when suddenly my wife started crying and hung up. My wife cried for a long time, and inbetween sobs, she told me, "I could feel her spirit die."

Spiritual Warefare is VERY REAL, and VERY SERIOUS.
That's what happens when people forget to lean on the Holy Spirit as a teacher and think they can do it all by themselves.
 

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The Old Covenant was an ugly covenant for ugly people, the New Covenant is a beautiful covenant for beautiful people.

Isaiah 52

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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Now you are sounding like a Hippie flower child!




Now compare YOUR CONCEPT to what GOD ACTUALLY SAYS:

Psalm 105:8-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He remembers His covenant forever, the promise He ordained for a thousand generations
[SUP]9 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you
as your inherited portion.


Psalm 103:7-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He revealed His ways to Moses, His deeds to the people of Israel.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and rich in faithful love.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] He has not dealt with us as our sins deserve or repaid us according to our offenses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is His faithful love toward those who fear Him.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.


Jeremiah 3:12 (CSBBible)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go, proclaim these words to the north, and say,
'Return, unfaithful Israel'.
This is the LORD's declaration.
I will not look on you with anger,
for I am unfailing in my love.
This is the LORD's declaration.
I will not be angry forever.



Genesis 12:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will make you into a great nation, I will bless you, I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who treat you with contempt, and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you.



2 Chronicles 9:8 (NCV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Praise the LORD your God who was pleased to make you king. He has put you on his throne to rule for the LORD your God, because your God loves the people of Israel and supports them forever. He has made you king over them to keep justice and to rule fairly.“


Isaiah 5:7 (NCV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The vineyard belonging to the LORD All-Powerful is the nation of Israel; the garden that he loves is the people of Judah. He looked for justice, but there was only killing. He hoped for right living, but there were only cries of pain.



Zechariah 1:14-17 (NCV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then the angel who was talking to me said to me, “Announce this: This is what the LORD All-Powerful says: ’I have a strong love for Jerusalem.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And I am very angry with the nations that feel so safe. I was only a little angry at them, but they made things worse.’
[SUP]16 [/SUP] “So this is what the LORD says: ’I will return to Jerusalem with mercy. My Temple will be rebuilt,’ says the LORD All-Powerful, ’and the measuring line will be used to rebuild Jerusalem.’
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “Also announce: This is what the LORD All-Powerful says: ’My towns will be rich again. The LORD will comfort Jerusalem again, and I will again choose Jerusalem.’ “
 
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The Old Covenant was an ugly covenant for ugly people, the New Covenant is a beautiful covenant for beautiful people.

Isaiah 52

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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Well, that was good for a giggle.
 

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MATTHEW 24:29-31 (Jesus)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-53 (Paul)
51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
(THE LAST TRUMPET SHALL SOUND AND THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED THIS IS THE 7TH TRUMPET)
END OF TRIBULATION )




(WE WILL DIE IN TRIBULATION FOR GOD WE WILL BE SLAIN)"(WE ARE CALLED TO BE MARTYRS WE WILL AVOID THE WRATH OF GOD BUT NOT THE WRATH OF THE WORLD THE ENEMY )
REV 6:9-17

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

THEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION
Matthew 24:29–31 (NKJV)
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes



Revelation 10:7) "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the prophets."


What "mystery" of God will be finished at the sound of the seventh trumpet? It must at least include the one Paul talked about when he said:


(1 Corinthians 15:51-52) "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

MARK 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 Then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


1 THESSALONIANS 4:15-17 (Paul)
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: so shall we ever be with the Lord..".
 
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But I thought all Israel was going to saved in the millennium or last seven years or whatever time the futurists say all Israel will be saved.
NO, GOD SAYS IT.


Romans 11:25-27 (NRSV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] So that you may not claim to be wiser than you are, brothers and sisters, I want you to understand this mystery: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "Out of Zion will come the Deliverer; he will banish ungodliness from Jacob."
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins."


GEE IT EVEN SAYS IT IN THE KJV:


Romans 11:25-27 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 

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Plainword, are you saying Jesus second coming was in 70 AD?
And he believes the heaven (atmosphere) and earth were destroyed in 70 AD, and he believes the Resurrections of the Saints happened in 70 AD. And he thinks everybody else does not understand the Bible.

Whoever taught him all that, was definitely one of these:

 
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And he believes the heaven (atmosphere) and earth were destroyed in 70 AD, and he believes the Resurrections of the Saints happened in 70 AD. And he thinks everybody else does not understand the Bible.

Whoever taught him all that, was definitely one of these:


Hmmmmm If he believes this, then he's missed all sorts of good stuff to come.
 

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They should understand that, the only event that happens after the millennium will be the great white throne judgment. After that is the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. In addition to this, in the letter to the church of Thyatira and to all who overcome, the promise is that those who overcome will rule over the nations with a rod of iron, which would have to be referring to the millennial period.

Yeah, this thread is STILL GOING, and nobody can find where that battery is on that bunny.



HEY LOOK THERE IS THE BATTERY, somebody grab it.
 

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Another stumbling block for the futurists is dis:

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, “I am; and YOU shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”

Mark 14:63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?

Jesus told the council that were there at Jesus' "trial" they would see him coming with the clouds of heaven.

So either Jesus lied or was wrong. I don't think so Tim....
THEY DID SEE IT AT THE STONING OF STEPHEN.
 
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im pleading to u guys wake up look around da rapture obviously hasnt happened yet. da mark of the beast is coming right around da corner its about time to stop sleeping. i dont know how to put those articles here like big uce VCO does it but dont it get you thinking when ALL signs are in the air? THE RAPTURE IS CLOSE.

*mass deception
*apostasy
*itching ears people dont believe the bible no more they cant deal with it
*religions coming together
*economies coming together
*rfid chips already implanted in many countries and transacations made wit em
*scoffers and mockers
*satanic rituals in tv and music are standard procedure today
*morality has collapsed
*first time in history all people can see da two witnesses on da streets of Jerusalem
*israel is back as a country
*natural disasters and nature is going crazy

all that and u still dont wake up n see its END TIMES people? im talking to you preterisms here
 
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