The Doctrine of Hell: Under Attack
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Genesis 19:24-25
"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."
Jude 7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
2 Peter 2:6
"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;"
1. Sodom/Gomorrah were rained upon with fire/brimstone
2. This fire/brimstone was an example of what is called Eternal Fire
3. The Eternal Fire turned Sodom/Gomorrah into ashes as an example of what would happen to the ungodly afterwards
Conclusion: Eternal Fire is not an ever-burning fire, but a fire that turns the ungodly into ashes forever.
Any arguments against the Word of God is an argument with God Himself, Amen.
The Bible is so simple, if we allow it to be
"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."
Jude 7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
2 Peter 2:6
"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;"
1. Sodom/Gomorrah were rained upon with fire/brimstone
2. This fire/brimstone was an example of what is called Eternal Fire
3. The Eternal Fire turned Sodom/Gomorrah into ashes as an example of what would happen to the ungodly afterwards
Conclusion: Eternal Fire is not an ever-burning fire, but a fire that turns the ungodly into ashes forever.
Any arguments against the Word of God is an argument with God Himself, Amen.
The Bible is so simple, if we allow it to be
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Nice try! Their bodies were turned in ashes, but their spirits/souls went down into Sheol/Hades, where they remain to this very day. The following scripture supports this:
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
The day of judgment would be referring to the great white throne judgment which takes place after the millennial period and which demonstrates that their spirits/souls will be present at that judgment.
The spirits of the unsaved ascend at death not descend .(upside down)
No reincarnated (flesh and blood body) to be judged on the last day. The word dead means dead not suspended animation as in almost dead, waiting for trial.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
The temporal spirit departs from flesh and blood (body of death) .It returns to the father who gave it temporally. The body returns to the lifeless spiritless dust it was formed from. Dust has no way to suffer without the spirit of life.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it..
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Genesis 19:24-25 "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground." Jude 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." 2 Peter 2:6 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;" 1. Sodom/Gomorrah were rained upon with fire/brimstone 2. This fire/brimstone was an example of what is called Eternal Fire 3. The Eternal Fire turned Sodom/Gomorrah into ashes as an example of what would happen to the ungodly afterwards Conclusion: Eternal Fire is not an ever-burning fire, but a fire that turns the ungodly into ashes forever. Any arguments against the Word of God is an argument with God Himself, Amen. The Bible is so simple, if we allow it to be
Let's apply his (bad) hermeneutic of eternality consistently in Scripture: God is thus not eternal either but will come to an end. (of course I do not believe any of that; God is eternal, has always existed and will always be; i.e. "I am" Exodus 33&c)
To be honest, I think many come to false conclusions on eternality (some Christadelphians on here for example) because we live in time, and in what we call the eternal realm there is no time which is difficult to comprehend if not impossible here in this state.
The limited language to explain, comprehend and express, i.e. finiteness here in this world complicates our understanding of things eternal due to that limitation in understanding.
We can only understand things according to time, we cannot comprehend eternal albeit the Spirit does help our understanding; 1 Corinthians 2:14 although we are still incapable of seeing as well as we'd like; 1 Corinthians 13:12.
For example God has always existed, no beginning, no end. Before there was anything created, there was God. We have truied to explain this recently to our daughter in Scripture and devotions and the look on here face of being mind blown was awesome. She is only 7 by the way. Many simply accept the things of Scripture as stated, they believe the revelation of God knowing that it does not need to fit into our logic nor do they believe they must rescue God from His glory of being a Just God who will punish sin eternally.
Others cannot accept things in this way, how God has revealed Himself plainly when it goes against their logic or presuppositions, i.e. that He will torment evil with an everlasting torment, so they attempt to justify God and get Him off the hook because of what they want to believe about Him. This is why we see an inconsistency in their hermeneutic, and their interpretations must adjust and will remain inconsistent from one passage to another. This is their fallacy in a nutshell.
To be honest, I think many come to false conclusions on eternality (some Christadelphians on here for example) because we live in time, and in what we call the eternal realm there is no time which is difficult to comprehend if not impossible here in this state.
The limited language to explain, comprehend and express, i.e. finiteness here in this world complicates our understanding of things eternal due to that limitation in understanding.
We can only understand things according to time, we cannot comprehend eternal albeit the Spirit does help our understanding; 1 Corinthians 2:14 although we are still incapable of seeing as well as we'd like; 1 Corinthians 13:12.
For example God has always existed, no beginning, no end. Before there was anything created, there was God. We have truied to explain this recently to our daughter in Scripture and devotions and the look on here face of being mind blown was awesome. She is only 7 by the way. Many simply accept the things of Scripture as stated, they believe the revelation of God knowing that it does not need to fit into our logic nor do they believe they must rescue God from His glory of being a Just God who will punish sin eternally.
Others cannot accept things in this way, how God has revealed Himself plainly when it goes against their logic or presuppositions, i.e. that He will torment evil with an everlasting torment, so they attempt to justify God and get Him off the hook because of what they want to believe about Him. This is why we see an inconsistency in their hermeneutic, and their interpretations must adjust and will remain inconsistent from one passage to another. This is their fallacy in a nutshell.
He does torment men with evil when they are alive..... the wrath of God that is being revealed daily .Hell is represented by a “living suffering” unto death... not dying. Those who reject the gospel because God did not have mercy of them will never rise to new spirit life forever and ever. The dead know nothing they will not rise on the last day to receive a new body to house their new incorruptible spirit that could never die.. It only those who are living that can hear His voice as he gives the dead ears to hear . Lazarus come forth.
Again the suffering is a living suffering, living hell. It by that affliction that God has on the believer that we do cry out in supplication (like a baby) cries for the milk of His word .It teaches us God is gracious .
The hearing of faith
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Jon 2:1
The belly of the whale is the tribulations of this life.
No, that is not true garee. Would you mind showing me the scripture that states the wicked ascend to heaven. No need to, for the event of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrates that the wicked "go down" into Sheol/Hades (Luke 16:19-31). Only the righteous when they die, do their spirits/souls ascend to be in the presence of Christ (2 Cor.5:6, Phil. 1:23)
Your verse above does not support your claim. It is true that the body without the spirit is dead. The body is just a tent that houses the spirit/soul. When the body fails and dies, then the spirit/soul is released and is very much conscious and aware in both heaven and Hades.
The above is only true of the righteous. The wicked however, begin their punishment in Sheol/Hades which is located on the earth.
Your verse above does not support your claim. It is true that the body without the spirit is dead. The body is just a tent that houses the spirit/soul. When the body fails and dies, then the spirit/soul is released and is very much conscious and aware in both heaven and Hades.
The above is only true of the righteous. The wicked however, begin their punishment in Sheol/Hades which is located on the earth.
Sorry, I did meant the other way around. Spirits that come from God (not from the dust) ascend to where they cam from not descend as you offered below. And offering a parable (Luke 16:19-31) a person must search for the spiritual understanding.
You offered....Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)
Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.
You offered....Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)
Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.
When God ends the world the surface of it will be consumed by fire and the wicked will be burned up with it. Their dead bodies will be ashes for the resurrected righteous to walk on. That is not Hell.
Also the bible seems to be indicating that only Satan, the beast, the false prophet, those with the mark of the beast, death and Hades will be in the lake of fire forever. All others will be there only long enough to pay for their sins. Isaiah 24:20-22, and Matthew 18:34 in the parable of The Unmerciful Servant. 20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.
21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days. ( the [a] suggests that it also says released)
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it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.[/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days.[/FONT]
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Also the bible seems to be indicating that only Satan, the beast, the false prophet, those with the mark of the beast, death and Hades will be in the lake of fire forever. All others will be there only long enough to pay for their sins. Isaiah 24:20-22, and Matthew 18:34 in the parable of The Unmerciful Servant. 20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.
21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days. ( the [a] suggests that it also says released)
[FONT="][FONT="]20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.[/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days.[/FONT]
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