sinner or SAINT

[Meggido]

So you are one of those who has deceived himself as being sinless.
Well, you are not sinless.

show me where i stated this at...I never did...in fact I said this:

A Saint is a sin-forgiven son or daughter of God that will still SIN

I am persuaded you cannot read....

 

[dcontroversal]

So you are one of those who has deceived himself as being sinless.
Well, you are not sinless.

One among more than a handful of things I might add.......

 

[Nehemiah6]

...this is getting old pretty quick, how do i become a full time saint

Just pick up the phone and call Pope Francis. He will "canonize" you.

Seriously, all those who have been saved by grace and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit are "saints" (sanctified by the indwelling Holy Spirit). That does not mean that saints cannot sin, but if they do they must repent and move on. Read and study 1 John.

 

[Persuaded]

Just pick up the phone and call Pope Francis. He will "canonize" you.

Seriously, all those who have been saved by grace and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit are "saints" (sanctified by the indwelling Holy Spirit). That does not mean that saints cannot sin, but if they do they must repent and move on. Read and study 1 John.

Well said!

 

[willybob]

few seem to understand that saints (the righteous by faith), and sinners (the wicked), are the complete opposites and are contrasted against each other on almost every page of scripture...............be blessed

 

[dcontroversal]

few seem to understand that saints (the righteous by faith), and sinners (the wicked), are the complete opposites and are contrasted against each other on almost every page of scripture...............be blessed

You theory falls apart rather quickly when the word of God is taken in the whole...Daniel, David, Peter, Abraham, Solomon etc. all sinned......your sinless perfectionism will never make the cut and until you are willing to admit the truth you will always walk the path of the self righteous Pharisee.......

If WE say that WE have no sin, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US.

Get over it...the most faithful of the bible failed and sinned on occasion....and yet they were STILL SAINTS!

 

[maverich]

So you are of the "belief alone saves" false doctrine?

The spiritual body is just like the physical body. When you are born you have blood which is continuously pumped by your heart to keep all the tissues of the body alive. If you bend your leg to cut off circulation, your foot 'falls asleep' and it feels like needles until the blood circulation is back to normal, but it didn't die. You would have to tie a rubber-band tightly around your finger to cut off circulation completely. Then it turns purple, then gangrene, then dies and falls off the body. And once that happens it can never return to the body. If a finger is chopped off suddenly, and if you hurry before the tissue dies, it is possible to have it surgically restored.

The same is so spiritually. The church is the body of Christ- of which He is the only head (authority). We are baptized into Christ's body (church)- this is being born again (of water and the Spirit). We then take of the Lords Supper in the assembly of the saints (Christians) upon the first day of the week- that is how the blood continuously brings life to the body. The temporary foot falling asleep is when we sin. The tissue is not dead, it just needs the blood to flow properly. "If you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive you." As long as you are in Christ you are saved. But if you are a prodigal son- that's like the finger being chopped off- you better hurry to return it before it dies. "But if you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." This is like having a heart attack- if your heart stops beating, the blood stops giving you life.

So it is not a or a matter of "I'm out of Christ every time I sin, and back in Christ every time I repent." You can lose your salvation by dying while being a prodigal son, or choosing to leave the church, or using the blood as a license to sin as you wish. But as long as you remain in Christ, your sins remain forgiven. As long as the blood flows through the body, all its tissues are alive and well. The blood brings nourishment from feeding on the word of God, and it filters impurities (sins) out of the body on a continual basis- whether there are impurities or not, the blood flows.

As long as you are growing in Christ (sinning less and less, even to the point of none at all). Whatever does not grow dies.

much like the man who was blind but now i see, you can feed me all the sin crap you want and i will say, all i know is i once was a drunkard and a rascal, and he touched me, and now i'm not, all the religous crap in world is not going to change what happened to me.

GOD IS NOT TO BE STUDIED BUT HE IS TO BE EXPERIENCED

by the way your hero Moses sure didn't read the scriptures, and somehow he learned of God, oh i'm sorry God died when Jesus did and so the gifts, aren't present anymore, I am praying for you even as i am writing, bad teaching leads to bad believing and ultimately death

 

[Meggido]

You theory falls apart rather quickly when the word of God is taken in the whole...Daniel, David, Peter, Abraham, Solomon etc. all sinned......your sinless perfectionism will never make the cut and until you are willing to admit the truth you will always walk the path of the self righteous Pharisee.......

If WE say that WE have no sin, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US.

Get over it...the most faithful of the bible failed and sinned on occasion....and yet they were STILL SAINTS!

You get over it and stop saying people say things they never did....

He said this:

Originally Posted by willybob

few seem to understand that saints (the righteous by faith), and sinners (the wicked), are the complete opposites and are contrasted against each other on almost every page of scripture...............be blessed

No where did he state anywhere he did not sin and was sinless and perfect?.....that is right, he did not


You are no better than Mr. Persuaded...he blew right past that I said the below...

A Saint is a sin-forgiven son or daughter of God that will still SIN

Why do you guys always imply things that were never implied or even stated?!?!

 

[willybob]

You get over it and stop saying people say things they never did....

He said this:

the are like little bots for satan arguing for sin day and night, still repeating the Serpansts first lie (you can sin and surley not die) the perplexing question is; "if they could stop sinning would they even want to?



No where did he state anywhere he did not sin and was sinless and perfect?.....that is right, he did not


You are no better than Mr. Persuaded...he blew right past that I said the below...



Why do you guys always imply things that were never implied or even stated?!?!

the are like little bots for satan arguing for sin day and night, still repeating the Serpansts first lie (you can sin and surley not die) the perplexing question is; "if they could stop sinning would they even want to?

They run to Romans 8-1 and leave some 10 words out of the verse..very convenient, yes? they skower the text feverishly looking for, and memorizing, little snippets here and there taken out of context, and then hold up their superstitious sinless perfection straw-man to blaspheme the characters of saints like of Job and Daniel in the text..Whereas Ezekiel says its an abomination to call the righteous sinners, and that Job, Daniel, and Noah were delivered by their own righteousness...They cant possibly imagine anyone living holy and blameless and morally upright before the Lord like Zacharias and Elisabeth. The very thought of it makes them show their fangs like blood thirsty wolves..

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, (walk not after the sinful lusts of the flesh) but after the Spirit (deeds done in faith following the law of the Spirit)..........

be blessed

 

[Denadii]

as i read through the posts, i see a war between people of the Law and the people of um Favor, didn't say that other word

one thing that confuses me, I would like to write some things which wouldn't go well in this forum

so that makes me a sinner correct

but wait i just repented, now i'm a saint correct.

I just swore, now i'm a sinner,

just repented, whew now i'm a saint

this is getting old pretty quick, how do i become a full time saint,

if this is salvation then we are all dead, no heaven, no 144000 virgins, no Jesus for all eternity,

I really wanted a new body,

There once was a man
who died for me,
he gave his life
that i might be free
he hung on a cross
all battered and torn
if i believe him
that i shall be reborn
he walks with me and he talks with me
and tells me i am his own,
the joy we share
as we tarry there
noone can ever know

He won't go back onto the cross for you, so my suggestion is believe on the LORD JESUS, and you shall be saved.

Let the Father prune, just come and rest beside the still waters, you are his sheep, highly opinionated but still sheep, and as such let him lead you on the PATH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

keep in mind as you go moment by moment SINNER SAINT he is coming like a thief in the night just how sure are you of your deliverance

Wrong always come to right, right never goes to wrong,

blessings to those of you that understand

LOLOL Good post! If you do not sin you're a saint. If you sin you are a saint but you need to get that sin taken care of. You are the righteousness of God in the anointing. You sin, you're no longer the righteousness of God so you go talk to Him. If you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive you your sins, and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness...thereby making you the righteousness of God in the anointing....again. KBG! Kinda Good Boy!

 

[willybob]

the are like little bots for satan arguing for sin day and night, still repeating the Serpansts first lie (you can sin and surley not die) the perplexing question is; "if they could stop sinning would they even want to?

They run to Romans 8-1 and leave some 10 words out of the verse..very convenient, yes? they skower the text feverishly looking for, and memorizing, little snippets here and there taken out of context, and then hold up their superstitious sinless perfection straw-man to blaspheme the characters of saints like of Job and Daniel in the text..Whereas Ezekiel says its an abomination to call the righteous sinners, and that Job, Daniel, and Noah were delivered by their own righteousness...They cant possibly imagine anyone living holy and blameless and morally upright before the Lord like Zacharias and Elisabeth. The very thought of it makes them show their fangs like blood thirsty wolves..

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, (walk not after the sinful lusts of the flesh) but after the Spirit (deeds done in faith following the law of the Spirit)..........

be blessed

follow up:::: I have noticed they always number themselves among the wicked who obey God not like in Jeremiah 17 -9. They wont number themselves among the righteous spoken of in verses 7,8 that trust/obey the Lord..Its always the wicked that they align themselves with...Psalms 58 is another such example, Galatians 5 is another example, also Romans 7, or when Paul, in Romans 3 was quoting about the wicked found in Psalms 14, same with Isaiah 64, they insist on being numbered among the wicked, like its some kind of humbling virtue..Sin doesn't humble anyone, but rather it hardens them......News flash: the wicked doers of iniquity do not inherit the kingdom, one does not want to place themselves in their camp............

 

[willybob]

the word is not found in the text to be anylized, but rather to be obeyed..

 

[Denadii]

follow up:::: I have noticed they always number themselves among the wicked who obey God not like in Jeremiah 17 -9. They wont number themselves among the righteous spoken of in verses 7,8 that trust/obey the Lord..Its always the wicked that they align themselves with...Psalms 58 is another such example, Galatians 5 is another example, also Romans 7, or when Paul, in Romans 3 was quoting about the wicked found in Psalms 14, same with Isaiah 64, they insist on being numbered among the wicked, like its some kind of humbling virtue..Sin doesn't humble anyone, but rather it hardens them......News flash: the wicked doers of iniquity do not inherit the kingdom, one does not want to place themselves in their camp............

I think I've found somebody more cynical than me. Now I have to try harder. LOL

 

[Meggido]

follow up:::: I have noticed they always number themselves among the wicked who obey God not like in Jeremiah 17 -9. They wont number themselves among the righteous spoken of in verses 7,8 that trust/obey the Lord..Its always the wicked that they align themselves with...Psalms 58 is another such example, Galatians 5 is another example, also Romans 7, or when Paul, in Romans 3 was quoting about the wicked found in Psalms 14, same with Isaiah 64, they insist on being numbered among the wicked, like its some kind of humbling virtue..Sin doesn't humble anyone, but rather it hardens them......News flash: the wicked doers of iniquity do not inherit the kingdom, one does not want to place themselves in their camp............

The worst is the absolute trampling of Romans 7....that they ache 2 nature always fighting inside of them,but are still saved....

I preached at a tent meeting earlier this year, full of them and finally the Holy Ghost came upon me and I said....if you are sitting here tonight and think you have 2 old dogs fighting in you....come up right now...you need to.....GET SAVED!!!!!


The 4 pastors of the 4 Baptists churches in attendance hit that altar and are now seeking employment elsewhere...and 78 people received relationship for the very first time....


It is like that everywhere we go....stinking thinking religion of OSAS and reformed hirelings telling people they are still woe/poe sinners saved by grace....and the old man never will be put to death....

 

[joaniemarie]

i feel like the devil sometimes but i wanna believe im a saint because of what Jesus did for me...........

Hi Muz., I want to encourage you to step out in faith now again (since you have accepted Jesus as your Savior) and believe the truth of what Jesus has already paid for you to be and have. You are no longer identified by your flesh but God sees you IN Christ. You are now a "spirit man"

Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ never the less I live yet not I but Christ lives in me and the life I now live I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me." Our daily work is to first (recon it to be so by believing that it's no longer I but Christ) By faith we no longer believe we are what we once were without Jesus. To know by faith we have Christ's righteousness now., not our own.

To know that it pleases God when we do this by faith will also help us be able to do it. There is no condemnation anymore for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1 Why? because our righteousness was a gift we received from Jesus and could not earn. ..it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Eph.2:8-9

I'm praying for you Muz that you soon will also receive the GIFT of no condemnation. The devil wants to trick us into receiving from him the LIE of self condemnation. God wants us to receive the gift of no condemnation each day by reckoning who we are IN Christ to be true by faith. Also., it pleases God when and while we are learning to live by faith and not by sight.

 

[joaniemarie]

In answer to the OP..... SAINT

 

[EarnestQ]

Meggido wrote:

A Saint is a sin-forgiven son or daughter of God that will still SIN.

You responded:

So you are one of those who has deceived himself as being sinless.
Well, you are not sinless.

You are not honoring God in your deception and judgment. You discredit your positition because you did not bother to understand what you were criticizing and you insulted instead of instructed.

If a person is wrong, explain to them how they are wrong. To do that you need to understand what they are saying. Don't just falsely judge them according to your misunderstanding. This is not the mark of spiritual maturity.

I am sure you desire to pursue spiritual maturity, (unless you falsely believe yourself to be so mature that you no longer need to grow).

Spiritual maturity is not how strongly you believe yourself to be right or righteous. It is demonstrated in how well you treat your brothers in love.

Perhaps you are correct in your theological position. Nevertheless, your attitude toward those you think disagree with you does not demonstrate the maturity of love and respect toward those in Christ.

It is the devil who does not respect true believers. The more you show disrespect to those in Christ the more you are demonstrating the attitude of the devil.

It is quite possible to strongly disagree with someone and yet treat them with respect in Christ. But even more importantly, it is important to know what they are saying in the first place. You did not bother to do that in this instance.