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Help me by speaking openly about what fault or weakness you see in me.It might help me to see something I need to pray for. I'm feeling chastened and ready to hear because of my arrogant remark last night to meggido for which I had to apologize.
I'm all ears.
I'm all ears.
I have not read all your post, but nothing comes to mind from those I have read.
Hey Ramah,
Our bond is the unity of the faith and of course this has been contended and defended as you can see since NT times and is a frequent topic in NT Scripture. It took place then, it is taking place now.
People tend to believe the early NT churches were all full of unity, pure doctrine, holiness, &c when it reality they were infiltrated by false brother, false teachings, schism, heresy, division, anti christs and much more.
We are to guard the unity of the faith, we cannot manufacture it so the ongoing fight is still for the faith, Jude 1:3 &c. Unity is also not compromise of doctrine for the sake of so-called peace.
There is a local church here where everyone gets their chance, if they desire, to share "their truth." A buddhist I know goes there and he shared all the different gospels being preached and proclaimed how wonderful it was to dwell in "unity." No matter what you believe it is all good.
That's not unity it's compromise.
Now I must ask, is this what you desire in "bible study?" Everybody can preach their truth, and it's all good?
Our bond is the unity of the faith and of course this has been contended and defended as you can see since NT times and is a frequent topic in NT Scripture. It took place then, it is taking place now.
People tend to believe the early NT churches were all full of unity, pure doctrine, holiness, &c when it reality they were infiltrated by false brother, false teachings, schism, heresy, division, anti christs and much more.
We are to guard the unity of the faith, we cannot manufacture it so the ongoing fight is still for the faith, Jude 1:3 &c. Unity is also not compromise of doctrine for the sake of so-called peace.
There is a local church here where everyone gets their chance, if they desire, to share "their truth." A buddhist I know goes there and he shared all the different gospels being preached and proclaimed how wonderful it was to dwell in "unity." No matter what you believe it is all good.
That's not unity it's compromise.
Now I must ask, is this what you desire in "bible study?" Everybody can preach their truth, and it's all good?
yeah would i be that brother to since you and your cronies support and call me a heretic for declaring that we are reborn in heaven too,...
2 Corinthians 5New Living Translation (NLT)
New Bodies
5 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. [SUP]2 [/SUP]We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. [SUP]5 [/SUP]God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5New Living Translation (NLT)
New Bodies
5 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. [SUP]2 [/SUP]We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. [SUP]5 [/SUP]God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.
This is where I see a split from the teaching Paul provides in romans.
We are not condemned because we walk in the Spirit.
It is walking in the Spirit and following God through love which means our status changes.
If we walk unto the flesh we are condemned and will die.
Our faith and our communion in Christ empowers us to walk in the Spirit.
So for me it is miss reading scripture to suggest you can walk in the flesh and not be condemned,
and because you are not condemned you are then empowered to walk in the Spirit.
I have never known anyone who sins but is forgiven, suddenly finding in the forgiveness they can
then be victorious. Long term this teaching just excuses sin while claiming one is not teaching that.
Now working through repentance, confession of sinful behaviour is freedom and liberation.
We often feel like puppets driven by our feelings when actually it is our perspectives that are wrong.
Are you rich because you know Christ or because you drive a sports can and live in a big house?
Are you happy because people envy you for the life you appear to have or because of the depth of
relationships you experiences in your daily life?
We are not condemned because we walk in the Spirit.
It is walking in the Spirit and following God through love which means our status changes.
If we walk unto the flesh we are condemned and will die.
Our faith and our communion in Christ empowers us to walk in the Spirit.
So for me it is miss reading scripture to suggest you can walk in the flesh and not be condemned,
and because you are not condemned you are then empowered to walk in the Spirit.
I have never known anyone who sins but is forgiven, suddenly finding in the forgiveness they can
then be victorious. Long term this teaching just excuses sin while claiming one is not teaching that.
Now working through repentance, confession of sinful behaviour is freedom and liberation.
We often feel like puppets driven by our feelings when actually it is our perspectives that are wrong.
Are you rich because you know Christ or because you drive a sports can and live in a big house?
Are you happy because people envy you for the life you appear to have or because of the depth of
relationships you experiences in your daily life?
Well, lets not talk about being impatient.
I'm the one who shouts: OH please rain already!! Rain!!
Wisdom is not given to one who is unstable and waver to the truth. JAMES; 1; 6-8' But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering; For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7; For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8' A double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways .