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Dagallen said:
You need to read a few passes after what you posted, he said to the Jews, you are blasphemy because I said I am the Son of God ? Read it again.
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The blasphemy could only arise because they saw Him as claiming to be God. They would not have seen your view as blasphemy cause they too were blind.
 
valiant said:
where have you been?
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Let's see, I worked 136 days out of the past 138 days, it's been a busy year, eat, shower, sleep, work, chat a little here and there, helping the needy to over come the challenges they face and Bible studies with the elderly people, last but not lease, a granddaughter to rise, her thirteen birthday on the 26 of this month, no blindness here, just busy doing what the Lord gave me the ability to do, being a giver of givers unto all, that God may be all in all, living life to its fullest.
 
Dagallen said:
Let's see, I worked 136 days out of the past 138 days, it's been a busy year, eat, shower, sleep, work, chat a little here and there, helping the needy to over come the challenges they face and Bible studies with the elderly people, last but not lease, a granddaughter to rise, her thirteen birthday on the 26 of this month, no blindness here, just busy doing what the Lord gave me the ability to do, being a giver of givers unto all, that God may be all in all, living life to its fullest.
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the spiritually blind are the last to know it.
 
valiant said:
The blasphemy could only arise because they saw Him as claiming to be God. They would not have seen your view as blasphemy cause they too were blind.
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Claiming to be God is what they believed he was claiming but he made no such claim, the claim he did make was that he was the Son of God, I really don't know why it's so hard for some to understand, I guess being blind in understanding, would be the best way to describe it.
 
Dagallen said:
You need to read a few passes after what you posted, he said to the Jews, you are blasphemy because I said I am the Son of God ? Read it again.
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Jesus says in that passage He is the Son. the pharisees say He is the Most High. interesting how so many see what the pharisees say and ignore what Jesus says of Himself. the pharisees were the sons of the devil right?
did the pharisees really believe Jesus was claiming to be the Most High? they said Jesus, a man was "making" himself "theos". this does not sound like the Most High to me as the Most High was not made, He always was. theos also means divine, this would fit exactly with what Jesus said as sons of the Most High are divine and thats what Jesus said He was, "Son of the Most High".
 
jaybird88 said:
Jesus says in that passage He is the Son. the pharisees say He is the Most High. interesting how so many see what the pharisees say and ignore what Jesus says of Himself. the pharisees were the sons of the devil right?
did the pharisees really believe Jesus was claiming to be the Most High? they said Jesus, a man was "making" himself "theos". this does not sound like the Most High to me as the Most High was not made, He always was. theos also means divine, this would fit exactly with what Jesus said as sons of the Most High are divine and thats what Jesus said He was, "Son of the Most High".
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Very good response, thanks for your input !
 
The Word was God and took on flesh to walk among us.

Some behold His glory, others do not :(
 
jaybird88 said:
Jesus says in that passage He is the Son. the pharisees say He is the Most High. interesting how so many see what the pharisees say and ignore what Jesus says of Himself. the pharisees were the sons of the devil right?
did the pharisees really believe Jesus was claiming to be the Most High? they said Jesus, a man was "making" himself "theos". this does not sound like the Most High to me as the Most High was not made, He always was. theos also means divine, this would fit exactly with what Jesus said as sons of the Most High are divine and thats what Jesus said He was, "Son of the Most High".
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I think you do not understand written text. Its a very different "making".

Theos does not mean "divine", it means "god". Divine would be "theios".
 
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trofimus said:
I think you do not understand written text. Its a very different "making".

Theos does not mean "divine", it means "god". Divine would be "theios".
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Indeed, and Jesus was to be restored to the glory He shared with God before the world began, and God does not share His glory.
 
Jesus acknowledges his Father's glory and return to it, by acknowledging his Father's glory and returning to it, Jesus does not add to it, as Gods glory therefore never changes.
 
Dagallen said:
Jesus acknowledges his Father's glory and return to it, by acknowledging his Father's glory and returning to it, Jesus does not add to it, as Gods glory therefore never changes.
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1. Father is God
2. His only one begotten Son is God
 
Dagallen said:
When the Jews sought to stone him, what response did Jesus gives to the Jews ? You are blasphemy because I said, I am the Son of God ? You will die in your sins if you do not believe I am ( the Son of God )
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For crying out loud dagallen, you still cannot reconcile the scriptures that I quoted that declare Jesus Christ to be God Almighty (Revelation1:8) with your contention where Jesus says only the Father is the only true God. So what do you? You ask another question to avoid addressing previous questions that you know you can't answer.

In fact, your doing the same exact thing in this post. At John 5:18 Jesus is accused by the Jews of being equal with God. At John 8:57 the Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy because Jesus stated clearly that He existed before Abraham. At John 10:33 the Jews want to stone and kill Jesus again for blasphemy because Jesus Christ made Himself out to be God.

Then at John 19:7 the Jews said to Jesus that "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the SON OF GOD." So I'm going to ask you the same question on this issue as on the other issue? How do you reconcile Jesus making Himself out God to Jesus making Himself out the Son of God? So in your mind please tell me what the difference is between Jesus making Himself out God and Jesus making Himself out the Son of God? In short, how do you reconcile these two "seeminly" contraddictory statements? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
trofimus said:
No, we were talking about Jesus and Father - two persons in one God.

Of course, with the Holy Spirit it makes three persons in one God.
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The Holy Spirit is not a person, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of a person or being, so who's Spirit is it, is it the Spirit of the Father or the Spirit of the Son ?
 
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